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Fighter Jet UFO Footage: The Real Deal

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posted on Feb, 7 2007 @ 10:49 AM
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Thank you for posting this! I remember watching this on a different site but the video was removed. Someone posted an alleged transcript of the conversation between the pilots and commander on board the ship. I remember reading that one of the pilots said he was flying "like a bat out of hell" but could not gain any ground on the object. They were debating whether or not to engage the craft before it flew away to the left.




posted on Feb, 7 2007 @ 10:59 AM
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Oh man .... another hoax. Geeeeze. Oh well ... back to the Chicago O'Hare sighting. I think that one is a modern 'Roswell' of sorts. It's undeniable. IMHO



posted on Feb, 7 2007 @ 03:19 PM
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Yep, it seems it has all come to an inevitable conclusion. Isaac, thanks for posting the information on file sharing, I've never fully understood how it worked, so your post is appreciated.

The simple fact is that the story, while plausible, had so many inconsistencies and mistakes in that it wasn't funny. IgnorantApe pretty much nailed it from the start. The terminology was all wrong, the understanding of how you transfer TS material off the TS network was wrong, timelines were out, and that fact that the original material was misplaced is beyond belief. That the information was offered early, but never presented despite requests from members, is frankly insulting to our intelligence.

As for the footage itself, I don't think it was done by film-makers. I think it is a genuine DDI display, and having worked with a crappy old targeting pod in the AAS-38 Nite Hawk, the imagery is pretty much spot on to what you see with some targets.

All in all, it smacks of a story being tested on the public here. The research was not bad for the generalist, but under detailed scrutiny fell apart. In the same way that any aviator who has ever watched Top Gun groans in pain with some of the stuff that happens. To Joe Public however, it is spot on. Personally, I'd rather people were upfront with stuff like this. I'm sure the ATS community could help out and offer advice, without having to be duped for it.

And finally, thanks to all who contributed and helped me out, especially Seentoomuch. It is certainly a different forum to the aircraft projects one! Hope to catch you around ATS.

Willard



posted on Feb, 7 2007 @ 05:47 PM
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The Original Thread Has Been Untrashed

It may be examined here:

Observations of an Actual UFO

My reasons for originally trashing the thread and untrashing it can be found here:

Why I Trashed This Thread

I have closed that thread and have asked staff members to avoid editing any of the posts (even those which can get a bit vulgar) because they constitute "forensic evidence" which members may use to decide for themselves whether they believe this story is true or a hoax.

Laying Our Cards On The Table

I've wanted to afford thefinaltheory/necroflesh every reasonable opportunity to present evidence which supported his claims. With the passage of time and promises to deliver additional evidence unmet, I've become increasingly concerned that by keeping certain information private, I was aiding and abetting a hoax.

Balancing concerns such as protecting sources while aiding disclosure is not easy, and I may well have mishandled this case by trashing the original thread (thus making it unavailable to members), by leaving it in the Trash Bin this long -- or heck, maybe even untrashing it today is a mistake.

However, in light of the nature of the evidence pointing toward a hoax, the need for ATSers to have access to the information available in order to draw their own conclusions about this story and the increasing unlikelihood that thefinaltheory/necroflesh is who he claims to be, I'm convinced that now is the time to lay our cards on the table.

I welcome all questions or comments regarding my handling of this story, but do ask -- in light of how heated it has gotten previously -- that we try to avoid any unnecessary profanity in our posts.



posted on Feb, 7 2007 @ 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by Majic
Balancing concerns such as protecting sources while aiding disclosure is not easy, and I may well have mishandled this case by trashing the original thread (thus making it unavailable to members), by leaving it in the Trash Bin this long -- or heck, maybe even untrashing it today is a mistake.


Hi Majic,

Thanks for reinstating the original thread. I hadn't followed that one, and it adds a few pieces to the puzzle.

I don't envy the position you were placed in as a moderator.

Kind Regards,

Isaac



posted on Feb, 7 2007 @ 07:30 PM
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Ignorant Ape has earned my
way above

for every post in this fast moving thread..

Until I see some more concrete evidence, or any more evidence at all
for that matter, I cannot bring myself to fully believe that this is an
attempted UFO intersept. It is simply to vague, and for every reason
already stated by Ignorant-Ape. Well done!!!



posted on Feb, 7 2007 @ 07:52 PM
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What I would like to know is what happened to TFT? Wonder if he got picked up by the feds for discussing sensitive information out in the open using AIM


Or perhaps he found out / realized he was in over his head and could not back up his contentions with hard evidence as proof.



posted on Feb, 7 2007 @ 08:20 PM
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Actually shots, I wouldn't be surprised if he did, of course granted what he has said is true.

Shattered OUT...



posted on Feb, 7 2007 @ 09:23 PM
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There is a downside to running a conspiracy site. It is not all just theories, stories, news, discussions and arguments. Maybe once upon a time it was so simple but now with the high visibility and the popularity of ATS come added responsibilities which I am sure you are now totally aware of. There are some situations that will most certainly show up on your doorstep from time to time that need to be addressed with some sort of guidelines and the need for them was evident in this thread.

I’ve spent some time in the past two days going over the consequences of releasing stolen U.S. classified information for various reasons to the public or to certain groups. It is not something that should be taken lightly and laughed off with “just post it” comments, it is a very serious situation should a true whistleblower show up here. And with the increasing visibility of ATS it is becoming more likely.

Should ATS consider releasing such information here is a list of concerns to be addressed:

Number one is the protection of the identity of the whistleblower. (Had TFT been legit it was exactly right for you to delete the initial thread, Majic, but also with a hold on starting a new thread until the information had been gone over and the consequences weighed. If the information was of great import and undoubtedly deserved to be released some method should be sought)

Number two is the concern of releasing information that could harm U.S. security, such as methods of response for unidentified aircraft or other emergencies. Release of such information would put our own people at risk. (It is crucial for the information to be scrubbed of all operational information as well as identities and locations)

Number three is to let you know that in the U.S. it means prison time. The sentences are configured to the degree of damage to our security and people it has put in harms way. One of the sentences I saw was for 36 years. I also noticed that the higher level of govt. the perpetrator was at the lower the sentence. The regular joe always, always got the full sentence.

So it would make sense for ATS to develop a procedure for classified information being released on ATS. I previously thought that the members could interview the whistleblower, but upon further study it would be best for the admin to interview and perhaps pull in some qualified members to verify the authenticity of the information. This would serve two purposes:

one, it would discourage hoaxers knowing that they would have to go through an intense, detailed interview;

two: it would keep the information in a controlled environment until it could be released in a safe form and manner.

So, just my 2 cents on a theoretical situation here on ATS, it’s almost like its own country, developing rules and laws as it grows, interesting,

STM

[edit on 7-2-2007 by seentoomuch]



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 04:41 AM
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Hi Majic,

Wrong decision or not to remove the thread initially it's being shown to us now which i think is a good call!, i certainly wouldn't beat yourself up about it, if it wasn't for TFT creating crap (In my opinion) in the first place none of this would have happened. If anything it has been a brilliant project for members like Isaac to dissect the claims and get to the bottom of the subject.

Just hate it when the initial poster goes silent, they could at least put in a quick post to say "OK ya got me" but alas nothing so far. That obviously leaves you thinking that maybe he has actually been silenced but in this case i think it is HIGHLY unlikely.

Chin up..



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by Majic
The Original Thread Has Been Untrashed

It may be examined here:

Observations of an Actual UFO

My reasons for originally trashing the thread and untrashing it can be found here:

Why I Trashed This Thread

I have closed that thread and have asked staff members to avoid editing any of the posts (even those which can get a bit vulgar) because they constitute "forensic evidence" which members may use to decide for themselves whether they believe this story is true or a hoax.

Laying Our Cards On The Table

I've wanted to afford thefinaltheory/necroflesh every reasonable opportunity to present evidence which supported his claims. With the passage of time and promises to deliver additional evidence unmet, I've become increasingly concerned that by keeping certain information private, I was aiding and abetting a hoax.

Balancing concerns such as protecting sources while aiding disclosure is not easy, and I may well have mishandled this case by trashing the original thread (thus making it unavailable to members), by leaving it in the Trash Bin this long -- or heck, maybe even untrashing it today is a mistake.

However, in light of the nature of the evidence pointing toward a hoax, the need for ATSers to have access to the information available in order to draw their own conclusions about this story and the increasing unlikelihood that thefinaltheory/necroflesh is who he claims to be, I'm convinced that now is the time to lay our cards on the table.

I welcome all questions or comments regarding my handling of this story, but do ask -- in light of how heated it has gotten previously -- that we try to avoid any unnecessary profanity in our posts.






Been gone for awhile and just read this thread to find out what happened to the original thread I posted on. Apologies if my contribution led to the original post being withdrawn. I was attempting to put my knowledge to use regarding what was originally posted.

Thanks



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 06:41 AM
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hello.
i just wanted to ask a moderator / admin, why i still cannot login into my original login ( cometa ). can you help me with that? i didnt change anything regarding my login data. if i login with the correct login / pw, just nothing happens. thank you.

i am sorry, but i havent found any other way to contact an admin.

thank you.



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 07:06 AM
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COMETA :

hi - PW problems are a known glitch , please use one of the following links :

contact ats

OR

complain

you will need to have access to the EMAIL account you used to sign up [ for security verification ]

but if you contact staff using the links supplied - they are aware that a problem occasionaly arises , and can resert your password and send a temporary one to your EMAIL

hope this helps



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by seentoomuch

I’ve spent some time in the past two days going over the consequences of releasing stolen U.S. classified information for various reasons to the public or to certain groups. It is not something that should be taken lightly and laughed off with “just post it” comments, it is a very serious situation should a true whistleblower show up here. And with the increasing visibility of ATS it is becoming more likely.


The internet is the last place a whistleblower would use especially a conspiricy site.This thread allong with others just proves there are a lot of people using these sites for fun.



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by Majic
The Original Thread Has Been Untrashed

It may be examined here:

Observations of an Actual UFO

My reasons for originally trashing the thread and untrashing it can be found here:

Why I Trashed This Thread

I have closed that thread and have asked staff members to avoid editing any of the posts (even those which can get a bit vulgar) because they constitute "forensic evidence" which members may use to decide for themselves whether they believe this story is true or a hoax.

Laying Our Cards On The Table

I've wanted to afford thefinaltheory/necroflesh every reasonable opportunity to present evidence which supported his claims. With the passage of time and promises to deliver additional evidence unmet, I've become increasingly concerned that by keeping certain information private, I was aiding and abetting a hoax.

Balancing concerns such as protecting sources while aiding disclosure is not easy, and I may well have mishandled this case by trashing the original thread (thus making it unavailable to members), by leaving it in the Trash Bin this long -- or heck, maybe even untrashing it today is a mistake.

However, in light of the nature of the evidence pointing toward a hoax, the need for ATSers to have access to the information available in order to draw their own conclusions about this story and the increasing unlikelihood that thefinaltheory/necroflesh is who he claims to be, I'm convinced that now is the time to lay our cards on the table.

I welcome all questions or comments regarding my handling of this story, but do ask -- in light of how heated it has gotten previously -- that we try to avoid any unnecessary profanity in our posts.






First off....I am not in any way related or connected to TFT. Secondly, I had to create a new account cuz I had trouble logging on under my original name...Necroflesh. Sorry y'all.
What makes you think that I am in anyway shape or form a dual identity of tft? that makes no sense ( but then again it does considering that this a conspiracy page, but none the less, I digress). To that end, an apology is in order here. Never have I been accused of being part of a hoax, or in connection with a hoaxer. That is complete ignorance.



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 07:00 PM
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Loose Connections


Originally posted by necroticflesh
First off....I am not in any way related or connected to TFT.

If I have evidence demonstrating otherwise, do I have your permission to post it here?



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by cometa
thanks, mate!
people, we got to figure out whats the truth about ufos and we wont achieve this by talking and endlessly talking and thinking about it over and over again.
do we need thousands of more reports or pictures?
how can we ever tell what is true and what is not true?

the world is ready for this.
you, who reads, and i - we are ready for this.
there is no difference between you and me.
there is no difference between us all.

we have to unite people, we just have to and this is serious.

lets us take this very first step.
let us take it now and let us not forget, what the world has seen yet and what there is to come for us.

we are the mighty ones.

we have to form a very new kind of community.
we have to form a community with influence, because we are the influence.
we have to form a new generation, because we are the new generation.
we have to form a community out of the real power and this power i am describing, that is the power actually we do posses, not our so called leaders.

we are the mighty ones.

we, the people, do not want or even need leaders.

leaders that rage war and bring suffering to us since thousands of years!
since thousands of years we have been living in the absence of ourselves.
since thousands of years we suffered and we died - for nothing.
thousands of years and thousands of tears - for nothing?
we have to turn the tables - now!

we are the mighty ones.
we are many and we have no fear.
we are the mighty ones.
we will come and go, but we will prevail.

soon, there will be a website available you will be able to receive more information. and we will spread flyers everywhere with that website and it will appear in every language the people speak.

godspeed to you all

ps: maybe for some of you the link wont work, because its located on a german server. but do not worry about this, we have the files and you will get them.

[edit on 4-2-2007 by cometa]

[edit on 4-2-2007 by cometa]
whether the video is real or not, I agree cometa, rock on and thanks for posting the awsome show of heart. peace



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 04:20 AM
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Originally posted by Majic
Loose Connections


Originally posted by necroticflesh
First off....I am not in any way related or connected to TFT.

If I have evidence demonstrating otherwise, do I have your permission to post it here?


yup, you sure have that permission. as you will see, i am one person, you paranoical person...along with all the members of the board. I am the one and only.



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 04:20 AM
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Originally posted by Majic
Loose Connections


Originally posted by necroticflesh
First off....I am not in any way related or connected to TFT.

If I have evidence demonstrating otherwise, do I have your permission to post it here?


yup, you sure have that permission. as you will see, i am one person, you paranoical person...along with all the members of the board. I am the one and only.



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 04:20 AM
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Originally posted by Majic
Loose Connections


Originally posted by necroticflesh
First off....I am not in any way related or connected to TFT.

If I have evidence demonstrating otherwise, do I have your permission to post it here?


yup, you sure have that permission. as you will see, i am one person, you paranoical person...along with all the members of the board. I am the one and only.



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