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Fighter Jet UFO Footage: The Real Deal

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posted on Feb, 4 2007 @ 10:03 AM
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Good work Isaac!

I think it's also worth pointing out that I'm almost fully certain that it's the camera panning to the right at the end, not the dot moving to the left. A simple attempt to create the illusion of movement from the dot.




posted on Feb, 4 2007 @ 10:10 AM
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I'd like to thank everyone who helped me smell the coffee. yes, gullible is clearly my middle name but wth people who put forward reasonable de-bunking clues such as in this thread, i'm saved!



posted on Feb, 4 2007 @ 10:30 AM
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I really see no difference between this and most ufo videos.

pass.



posted on Feb, 4 2007 @ 10:44 AM
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nice, i finally can log in with a new account.

people, listen to me. dont believe that nerds calling this a hoax.
first of all. vision-unlimited has got nothing to do with the author or the source of this video. vision-unlimited is the webspace provider only, so that you can download this video.

what a small minded way of thinking you hoax-shouters have, it is just ridicolous!

and something other, the log, is the log. the video, is the video. it does not show the object in the watter, which is due to no further information to remain unknown and it does not show a hollywood chasing of a ufo. it only does show some certain parts of the interception process.

so dont call this a hoax or compare it with one, you just take the easy way, too easy. but it aint that easy, folks.

it IS something new and special and do not let it be ruined by those hoax-shouters.

ps: i have to say this again. as you spoke of vision-unlimited and that you found about it and stuff i just had to laugh! because i never thought you people would put these two things together. next time a file like this will be hosted on the disney server. wtf! this really upsets me, because you do not even think about it all, you just see and connect useless # to suit your opinion, thats bull#, not arguing or figuring out, what we really can see.
maybe it IS a hoax, but not vision-unlimited or someone else has hoaxed this. this video is right from america and it has been uploaded in the same condition as it has been initially received, so STFU with hoax, with that stuuupid explanations, you guys dont know #.

[edit on 4-2-2007 by cometa2]



posted on Feb, 4 2007 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by cometa2
maybe it IS a hoax, but not vision-unlimited or someone else has hoaxed this. this video is right from america and it has been uploaded in the same condition as it has been initially received, so STFU with hoax, with that stuuupid explanations, you guys dont know #.

You can see, however, how one would think it's a hoax just from having it hosted on a film-makers site, can't you? There are so many hoaxers out there that it is best, I think, to start off assuming it's a hoax and working from there. If a video is legit, the pros can tell.

Relax.



posted on Feb, 4 2007 @ 11:02 AM
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What makes this a fake is what Ignorant Ape already stated. The aircraft doesnt not change direction but by a few degrees. He is in straight and level flight, the OP said the object out-turned the fast mover. I am sure it did, because the jet never turned.



posted on Feb, 4 2007 @ 11:22 AM
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Cometa, I'm assuming from the childishness of your rant, your lack of proper punctuation and spelling, that you are quite young (as seems to be the case with many on the board here). But here's a tip - a good education and a little maturity can be very helpful as you go through life.



posted on Feb, 4 2007 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by Casino2112
Cometa, I'm assuming from the childishness of your rant, your lack of proper punctuation and spelling, that you are quite young (as seems to be the case with many on the board here). But here's a tip - a good education and a little maturity can be very helpful as you go through life.


Hi Casino2112,

I've assumed that the some of the flaws you mention in Cometa's post are because he may be one of the members of the group of German students film makers mentioned in my earlier post.

The English in several of the relevant posts in this thread, including the original post, is somewhat stilted (but far better than my German would be...).

Kind Regards,

Isaac



posted on Feb, 4 2007 @ 12:02 PM
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this is insane and rediculous, i swear one person calls something legit "FAKE" and everyone jumps on his nuts b/c of his "ats points" or whatever. What you are seeing is real, if you cant believe that and accept it for what it is, you 1) should move on or 2) already have moved on which in my opinion is a good thing, as you are not ready for this sort of thing. Honestly what are you expecting? Stop watching will smith movies and snap back to reality NOBODY is trying to make a hoax or trick people, to be honest nobody gives a # about 'Ignorant Ape' or his ideas or views but its like hes on a political agenda to make people not believe this. Ha, maybe you work for the FEDS you little sh1t. Get the hell out of here.

I'm extremely dissapointed with the board and members here in. You need to log off and go watch your myth busters and jerk off to your debunking schemes. No Wonder NO progress has been made on UFO's its people like you that drag the whole thing down with your blatant and biased disbelief and bitter hate.

/ final theory



posted on Feb, 4 2007 @ 12:30 PM
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THEFINALTHEORY :

ranting and raving at us will get you nowhere , please cease and desist




Originally posted by thefinaltheory
this is insane and rediculous, i swear one person calls something legit "FAKE"


i called it fake for several reasons - which i note neither you or your cohort chose to address , why is that ?




Stop watching will smith movies and snap back to reality


it is you who is making surreal claims of " locked down carriers " and ariel interceptions of UFOs ,

the one peice of " evidence " you present does not tally with your written statement - and as i have already pointed out , it shows no activity out of the ordinary in the HUD data - the plane is in level flight on a constant heading , and does not react in any way to the " ufo "


NOBODY is trying to make a hoax or trick people,


i beg to differ , the trashbin of ATS is overflowing with hoaxers and thier silly claims

your last thread is there




to be honest nobody gives a # about 'Ignorant Ape' or his ideas or views but its like hes on a political agenda to make people not believe this. Ha, maybe you work for the FEDS you little sh1t. Get the hell out of here.


i do not work for " the feds " , and attempting to insult me by circumventing the profanity filter is both rude and childish

and detracts immensly from your claims to legitimacy


I'm extremely dissapointed with the board and members here in.


i am very dissapointed in you , you have made grandiose claims , which are pattently absurd and even self contradictory

when these flaws are noted , instead of addressing them rationally - you have a tantrum and spit your dummy out

and you claim we are to blame ?

who is really holding back UFO research ?

and lastly , you imply thay you have more evidedence - but will so far it is not forthcoming

might i suggest that instead of tanstrums you attempt to convince us with evidence ?



posted on Feb, 4 2007 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by thefinaltheory
posted on 2/3/2007 at 01:33 (post id: 2924439)

The UFO was floating extremely still in mid air, this was 30,000 ft above ground level. It looked literally and i mean LITERALLY just like a disk, no stupid traingles or any gimicky things like Independence Day or whatever. It looks exactly how the goverment wants you to NOT think it looks like. It's simply put, a disk.

So it was floating, the figher pilot tried to get numerous locks on the UFO but everytime the cross hairs tried to hone in the crosshairs scaled back and forth. I dont know how to put it into words well, but I know what i saw. Crosshairs move in and move back out, it couldnt get a lock whatsoever.

After about I say 10 seconds or so the UFO started to move. It moves in ways that we have never seen before, it spontaniously moved in a half circle upward and paused once again. Then it suddenly teleported about five times all over the pilots screen. The movement is instant and cannot be followed. It simply put, is amazing and so fast the eyes cant see it.

There was a bright light and suddenly it dissapeared, out of sight.



posted on Feb, 4 2007 @ 12:38 PM
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Easy Now!

On ATS, Courtesy Is Mandatory, whatever our claims or opinions might be.

I'm convinced it is possible to both present and analyze the evidence without undue rancor.

Let's please avoid getting personal about all this and confine our comments to the evidence and thefinaltheory's claims.

And on that note, I would very much like to see the additional evidence thefinaltheory has offered to provide.

Perhaps with more context, the nature of this story will become clearer.



posted on Feb, 4 2007 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by thefinaltheory
this is insane and rediculous, i swear one person calls something legit "FAKE" and everyone jumps on his nuts b/c of his "ats points" or whatever.


Hi again thefinaltheory,

I'm afraid I found your post a bit confused and confusing.

I was the first to suggest this video _may_ be a hoax (and identified the group that appears to be behind it), but I haven't noticed anyone "jumping on my nuts".

I think I would have noticed that sort of thing.

Anyway, I didn't scream "FAKE". Go back and see my actual post. For ease of reference, I'll repost my conclusion:


Originally posted by IsaacKoi
Conclusion : Pending release of the promised further "files", this video should be tentatively identified as an attempted hoax on ATS by members of the "vision-unlimited" group of German student film makers.

Kind Regards,

Isaac Koi


I stand by that tentative conclusion pending the further "files" you mentioned, but have not yet provided.



Originally posted by thefinaltheory
NOBODY is trying to make a hoax or trick people


Hoaxes are fairly common in relation to UFO videos, so SOME people are trying to make hoaxes or trick people.

The only question in this thread is whether _this_ particular video is genuine or not.


Originally posted by thefinaltheory
Ha, maybe you work for the FEDS you little sh1t. Get the hell out of here.


I think that remark was addressed to Ignorant_Ape, rather than me. It hardly advances your arguments.


Originally posted by thefinaltheory
blatant and biased disbelief and bitter hate.


I hadn't noticed any "bitter hate", merely some questions and points being raised in a calm and rational manner - which have not been addressed by those promoting the video in any rational manner.

Please post the further "files" and/or address the points which have been raised.

Kind Regards,

Isaac Koi

[edit on 4-2-2007 by IsaacKoi]



posted on Feb, 4 2007 @ 01:00 PM
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i agree i cant comprehend why it is people always bash so hard on others that they are hoaxers especially when the informant still has more information to provide.
they way people react were lucky anyone comes forward, there is no concrete proof that the video is fake or real so i say get all the evidence then decide before chassing people off.



posted on Feb, 4 2007 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by thefinaltheory
The files we have can be released on demand.


Well you can consider this request as a Demand. I would like to see those files and assume of course they bear the name of the organization who allegedly took the flir shot.

What what I can see it appears to be fake but I am no expert.

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posted on Feb, 4 2007 @ 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by ignorant_ape

Originally posted by pompano
ATS fell for it hook, line, and sinker.


did it , really - all of ATS " fell for it " ?

i guess you did not read the post by " issac koi " and the next , by myself - which outline our reservations regards this tapes provenance

please do not make crap up , ats did not " fall for it "

so why are you attepting to create drama by claiming " it " did

ATS is a collective of > 70 THOUSAND members , " it " does not have a unified view on any topic


Way to deny ignorance guys!!


instead of attempting to belittle the entire membership , and humiliate the ones who might not have the skills or training to see for themselves why it is a fake be part of the solution , not part of the problem .

please stop being an asshat , and try education . it works


educate the members who are unsure , or believe it is genuine , bu=y pointing out the logical flaws in the footage

you talk about denying ignorance .................. please start with your own

[edit on 4-2-2007 by ignorant_ape]


I did not mean the community of ATS. In my post I made that clear, becasue the community does not have power to delete threads. Sometimes you have to read between the lines Ape. Enough said.

[edit on 4-2-2007 by pompano]



posted on Feb, 4 2007 @ 01:46 PM
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As according to the HUD, the aircraft is flying at Flight Level 200. The aircraft maintained this the entire time and never performed any form of maneuvers, nor did the UFO in question until at the very end when it simply zipped off.

The only thing I noticed here was the FLIR zooming in and out. This is a poor attempt at a video proving a radical story. The video doesn't even show anything that the corresponding story explains, there were never any maneuvers done by any of the aircraft except at the end.

Shattered OUT...



posted on Feb, 4 2007 @ 02:31 PM
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When the other files are linked would you consider going over those too? They are the log files and a powerpoint presentation that accompanied the video so therefore are allegedly military generated. Would love to have your opinion on these also.

Gotta say, this board's membership is its number one asset, all the knowledge of 70,000+ within our reach.


STM



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posted on Feb, 4 2007 @ 03:06 PM
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I'll take a look at it, you might also want to obtain the council of Ignorant_Ape, Waynos, Westpoint32, and the other subject matter experts in the Aircraft Projects forum. There will be where you'll find all the expertise in this area. The UFO forums however, sadly are plagued with people who are not knowledgeable in this area.

Just post the rest of the files, the more information we have, the better our conclusion on the matter can be.

Shattered OUT...



posted on Feb, 4 2007 @ 03:39 PM
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I've just cc'd you with a copy of the request for expertise U2U I just sent to the members you listed. Ignorant ape has been present on the thread from the beginning but I included him as well as we need a consensus. Y'all are a great bunch for helping out here.

STM




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