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Muslim only day at UK theme park ?

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posted on Feb, 3 2007 @ 10:46 PM
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This may be old news to UK residents, but I only just heard of it - is it true?



A couple's plans for a £5,000 wedding at Alton Towers were thrown into confusion yesterday after it emerged that the theme park had double booked them with a fun day for 20,000 Muslims.

Amanda Morris, 30, and her fiance, Scott Lee, 31, have been told that if they go ahead with the ceremony they will not be allowed to go on celebratory rides together.

Furthermore, Miss Morris and her female guests will have to cover up to be in line with guests of Islamic Leisure wearing hijabs. "I've been looking forward to this day for 18 months, and suddenly it's in ruins," she said yesterday.



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posted on Feb, 3 2007 @ 11:34 PM
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That's absolutely ridiculous!

The hotel/theme park should have to pay all the costs associated with rescheduling the wedding or cancel the Muslim day.



posted on Feb, 4 2007 @ 07:45 AM
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Wow, way to try to amplify and make a deal over 'Muslim'.

Well done Telegraph. Not.
Frankly I'm just surprised they couldn't find a way to work the term 'socialist' into this tale as well, along with some comments about a very left-wing Labour council and/or Tony Blair and/or New Labour
'forcing' multiculturalism on people who (according to them) don't want it.


It's perfectly simple, if the park have double-booked then they must do whatever their legal advice tells them
(there's probably some sort of small-print covering this in the contracts).

But an exclusive private party booking (whether Muslim or not) is hardly a unique situation and I'm quite sure this is hardly the first time anyone ever double-booked anything.

I wonder what line they would have taken if the park had double-booked with nudists, who offered to share if the guests would abide by the nudism
(the Telegraph probably wouldn't touch that but 'The Sun' would be giggling for a few extended columns (ooo'er
) about any kind of sex angle going - or at least as much of a sex angle as they could conjure).

As for if it's true?
Well it is in the Telegraph.


.....and actually they were not required to wear the hijab.

Believing that they and their own guests had the complex almost to themselves, Islamic Leisure drew up a list of requirements.

These included the provision of prayer areas and bans on music, alcohol and gambling. In the Muslim tradition, women would also need to cover their bodies, as well as going on rides separately to their menfolk.

The couple have since contacted Islamic Leisure, whose staff confirmed that the wedding party would be asked to adhere to their conditions.

Yaseen Patel, the organisation's director, confirmed: "The body will have to be covered, (though) they do not have to wear the hijab."


But oh those scary Muslims, eh?
Imagine the cheek of it, booking the place all to themselves and then having the gaul to consider sharing (with those who no fault of theirs had ended up facing disappointment ) but only the grounds that the other party respect their beliefs.
How outrageous.


Jayzuss wept, how more pathetic can the right-wing journos get?
Talk about trying to stir a little more trouble and invent conflict and bad feeling.


[edit on 4-2-2007 by sminkeypinkey]



posted on Feb, 4 2007 @ 09:49 AM
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Didn't the booking by the Islamic group get cancelled due to not enough people wanting to attend? I'm not sure though.

My stance on the issue is that if Group A book Venue G and allow any other group to attend Venue G as long as they stick to the rules of Group A then fair dues.

As to the double booking issue its the parks fault, they should have compensated the group who booked after or have come to some arrangement with one party.

And as to sminkey's nudism example, the G-Forces on some of those rides would make for some very unpretty sights....



posted on Feb, 4 2007 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
Jayzuss wept, how more pathetic can the right-wing journos get?
Talk about trying to stir a little more trouble and invent conflict and bad feeling.


One day they may even become as distorted as left wing journalists.

I wonder what the reaction would have been if Alton Towers had declared a "Whites Only" day, would the "binding contract" theory still be applicable.



posted on Feb, 4 2007 @ 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by UK WizardAnd as to sminkey's nudism example, the G-Forces on some of those rides would make for some very unpretty sights....




Also, the impression i got was that the couple fully understood anyway.
And it was hardly a "muslim only day".....this Islamic group had booked it for that day.
Claiming it was a "muslim day" is a bit like me booking an entire restaurant and saying it was "my family and friends day"
or something



posted on Feb, 4 2007 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by Retseh
One day they may even become as distorted as left wing journalists.


- Well feel free to expose a left-wing British paper doing similar if you can find one.

The fact is that this is a prime example of a distorted tale selectively spun solely to create rancour.
Typical Telegraph, in other words.


I wonder what the reaction would have been if Alton Towers had declared a "Whites Only" day, would the "binding contract" theory still be applicable.


- Oh dear.

Why did you feel the need to bring colour into this? How is that relevant to this story?

How about instead we stick to comparing like with like and ask 'what if it was a Christian group' that had booked sole use of the place, huh?

Doesn't sound so scary afterall does it.....regardless of what colour they might be, eh?

.......and interesting that it seems no-one wants to acknowledge the original report (further on) did not say that the wearing of the hijab was demanded of anyone either.



posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by Retseh
I wonder what the reaction would have been if Alton Towers had declared a "Whites Only" day, would the "binding contract" theory still be applicable.


You bring up a good point, though probably not on purpose.

I would love to see someone even try a "English" or "White" only day. Or, to be more in context with the Muslim only day, a Christian only day. I bet next month's wages the Islamic Lobby would be out in force on that one.

Oh, but the poor beleagured Muslims can have their own day.....


My own personal feeling is that a Muslim only day is in contrast to a nation of fairness and equality. We couldn't get away with our own day, and rightly so, so why the fudge should they?

Why so touchy feely when dealing with minorities?

And why the hell do they feel the need to have a day only for Muslims? Are they too good to mingle with the rest of us at any other given day of the year?

And they claim they are being excluded from society.

They do it themselves. I couldn't give a fudge what bloody god they worship, but fudge them if they want a theme park all to themselves just because of it.



posted on Feb, 15 2007 @ 07:08 AM
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Hahahaha yes it's true!!!
But the reason it wan cancelled was, due to lack of interest and not due to being double booked.

Spokesman from Alton Towers has said
"On the day in question , the park will now be open to the general public"
Yeah more like oh my God we are gonna lose money now lets open it to everyone...hahahahah STICK YOUR PARK!


ISLAMIC LEISURE LIMITED
23 LENTA BUSINESS CENTRE
CHANNEL SEA HOUSE CANNING ROAD
ABBEY LANE STRATFORD
LONDON E15 3ND

The above had booked it for an islamic fun day and had sold 1,000 out of the 28,000 tickets


2007 Alton Towers goes into liquidation due to the dwindling numbers of guest at their them park



posted on Feb, 17 2007 @ 10:26 AM
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i think its a good point actaully about a 'white only' day.

if that happened it would be headlines all over the newspapers saying ^racist day out^ etc.

we bend over backwards in this country, i wonder if pakkistan would allow a 'christian only day' at one of there countrys attractions.

i doubt it.



posted on Feb, 17 2007 @ 10:56 AM
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WHITES RACIST DAY OUT





Originally posted by st3ve_o
i think its a good point actaully about a 'white only' day.

if that happened it would be headlines all over the newspapers saying ^racist day out^ etc.


i think its a good point actaully about a 'white only' day. NOT

are you saying that ethnicity is intrinsic to the religion that you follow ?

I think NOT.

Muslims can come from any background or RACE for that matter so they are not discriminating racially.

But a "whites only day" would indeed be racist as it would exclude people on the grounds of there ethnicity and nothing else. ?


I think the klan may have a room for one more.

Typo

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posted on Feb, 17 2007 @ 12:16 PM
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i think having a muslim ONLY day out is racist, don't they like the company of other people with different beliefs?

its okay for a SMALL group having a get together for a day out to the coast or to the bingo....but we are not talking a small group here, we are talking 20,000 people booking an WHOLE theme park to themselfs, for me that’s like saying ‘we don't want to socialise/have fun with any other backgrounds’.

which is why the muslim community is so isolated in british society, MOST CHOOSE NOT TO MIX.

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posted on Feb, 17 2007 @ 12:46 PM
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Oh dear,

The reason why a "whites only" day would be unacceptable is that it would be illegal, just as a "blacks only" or "Asian only" day would be.


Originally posted by st3eve_o
I think having a muslim ONLY day out is racist

You seem to have a problem understanding either the word "race" or understanding what a Muslim is. Islam is not a race of people, it is a religion and it has many followers who are white and who come from a range of countries and races.

You may feel that an event which is organised solely for Muslims is unacceptable but it is certainly not illegal and if an organisation want to try and book a park or any other venue so that they can have fun in a way which accords with their religion I really don't see a problem with that. Does anyone complain when Christian groups hold festivals like Greenbelt?

And let us not forget that the Charming Mr. Nick Griffin of the BNP escaped prosecution recently on the basis that he was only preaching hatred aginst Muslims and not a racial group.

Funny old world isn't it?



[edit on 17-2-2007 by timeless test]
damn my fat fingers...

[edit on 17-2-2007 by timeless test]



posted on Feb, 17 2007 @ 01:31 PM
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It seems some people are really having a problem with the concept of being able to make 'private bookings'.

The terms of most (if not all) 'private bookings' means that those doing the booking and hiring the facility may well specify that they have the the sole use of those facilities.

So, when exactly did this become news to anyone, hmmmmm?

It's rather sad to see this along with the tying of the word 'Muslim' to it and claiming it makes it a race issue.

[edit on 17-2-2007 by sminkeypinkey]



posted on Feb, 17 2007 @ 02:23 PM
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a 'racist' doesn't only judge a person on the colour of their skin (example) big brother house recently, a racist can be racist just because somebody is different to you (looks, culture and beliefs).

besides a poll on sky news, out of 1000 british muslims 80% of those classed themselves as a 'muslim' rather than 'british' (unconfirmed figure).

so from the mouths of muslims themselves, they class a 'islam' as a race - therefore just for arguments sake it is RACISM what they are doing at alton towers as they are isolating themselves/and not wanting to socialize with other cultures in a public theme park.



posted on Feb, 17 2007 @ 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by st3ve_o
what they are doing at alton towers as they are isolating themselves/and not wanting to socialize with other cultures in a public theme park.


A few weeks ago, (well, OK, a couple of months), my company hired the function room of a local pub. You see, we had held our Christmas bash at some larger venues for quite a few years and we had decided that this year we would book a smaller room and have members of our own Sports & Social Club only. It's not that we really dislike people who don't work for our company but there's always someone who wants to dance on the table or make a bit of a plank of themselves and nobody knows who they are.

It makes us feel a bit more comfortable because we all know each other and I'm pleased to report that we all had a really good time.

[thinks]Dear Dierdre

This year we wouldn't let anybody except people from our company come to our Christmas party. We decided between us that on one day of the year we didn't want to socialise with people we didn't know who might spoil our party so we hired a public house function room and wouldn't let anyone else come in.

We all enjoyed ourselves but now I'm a bit concerned that I might be a racist.
[/thinks]



posted on Feb, 17 2007 @ 04:07 PM
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yeah but we are not talking about a company or group, we are talking about 20,000 people.

enough people to run the london marathon/fill a football stadium.



posted on Feb, 17 2007 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by st3ve_o
yeah but we are not talking about a company or group, we are talking about 20,000 people.


So are you saying that if I, as an an employer in a small/medium company, refuse to employ a black man as our new maintenance technician I'm not being racist because I don't employ 20,000 people?

And that London Marathon lot, they're racists too, because they wouldn't let me take part last year. They tried to say that they already had too many people and that I was a fat git who wasn't fit enough to waddle down to the shops let alone run 26 miles but I know what they really meant...

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posted on Feb, 17 2007 @ 04:35 PM
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lol what are you talking about? why are you talking about equal opportunities in employment when we are talking about a socal gathering of people from certain religion?


even so i don't understand your point.

hiring a private room for a wedding or hiring a private room for asdas christmas party are totally different issues to a religious gathering of 20,000 people at one of the nations biggest attractions.

are you telling me all these 20,000 people know each other?


do you think if 20,000 christians hired alton towers for the day (strictly no muslims) do you think this gathering would make headlines on the front of the daily mirror? i think it would.

[edit on 17-2-2007 by st3ve_o]



posted on Feb, 17 2007 @ 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by timeless test
And that London Marathon lot, they're racists too, because they wouldn't let me take part last year. They tried to say that they already had too many people and that I was a fat git who wasn't fit enough to waddle down to the shops let alone run 26 miles but I know what they really meant...



only athletes are allowed to take part in the london marathon and runners who are doing it for a good cause (ie:- charity).

i guess your charity (if any) wasn't good enough or the maximum number of runners were already taken… sorry, maybe try again this year? try to book your place early though as thousands and thousands wish to take part in it.



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