3rd CSG heads to Gulf !

I don't predict any US initiated action for a while. There are a lot of reasons. One important one is that Baghdad is not stable. If Iran was attacked they would counter asymmetrically by overthrowing the Iraqi government with a Shiite uprising. Washington's hand is too weak to place the big Iran bet right now.

Their hand could be forced though. Israeli politics are in flux.
www.timesonline.co.uk...
Netanyahu is the front runner to replace current PM Olmert who was blamed in the Winograd report for Israeli's defeat at the hands of Hezbollah.

The last few paragraphs from a Times story on Netyanhu follow below. The last sentence is chilling. If Washington doesn't start the war Israel will. According to EIR Cheney and Netanyahu have cut a deal to attack Iran *jointly*. This is totally insane. That is Bin Laden's wildest fantasy. It would galvanize the entire Muslim world against the United States. That's the best outcome, the outcome that assumes the attack is a tactical success which is dubious. America has so much to lose it would make the hell that is Iraq look like a fond memory from the good old days. Here's the EIR link about the Cheney-Netanyahu collusion.
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Every time they war game a joint attack it escalates too far. Israel gets hit hard on multiple fronts. Syria and Hezbollah attack. Iran attacks Israel via medium range ballistic missiles. In the war game scenarios Israel gets backed into a corner and has to resort to nuclear weapons to end the conflict. In Gulf War I the wiser Bush made absolutely certain that Israel would not get involved even if they were attacked. Their involvement would have caused the Coalition to fall apart. He gave them Patriot missile batteries to weather the SCUDs. Israel now has their own home grown system called the Aarow which is more advanced. Logically speaking they should stay out of this but it appears restoration of their wounded pride is paramount. This is about getting even and then some.

According to GEO-STRAT the next time America could have 3-4 super carriers (CVN class) available is August-September time-frame. For offensive action 2 is the minimum, 3 is adequate but 4 or more is ideal. This would probably include the Nimitz, Stennis, Enterprise, and Truman strike groups. The Kitty Hawk should be out of SRA maintenance by then to cover WESTPAC to deter China from taking advantage of America's preoccupation in the Middle East by striking Taiwan.
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Netanyahu’s opponents warn against a return to high office. “He can’t work under pressure and is too panicky by nature to be a good prime minister,” said a rival.

Haim Israeli, a long-serving but now retired civil servant in the Ministry of Defence, said: “He’s a dangerous man.”

Last week Olmert outmanoeuvred Tzipi Livni, his foreign minister, who called on him to resign, persuading all but two of his Kadima MPs to support him. But it seemed a Pyrrhic victory. A huge demonstration attended by people from across the political spectrum suggested that his days in power are numbered.

If Olmert goes by the summer, when the full findings of the Winograd inquiry will be published, his successor will face two immediate challenges: the Iranian nuclear threat and the Palestinian issue.

A close friend of Netanyahu said: “He won’t wait too long to attack Iran.” As for the Palestinians, it seems unlikely that he would make territorial compromises with them.

“A shaky hand is holding David’s sword these days,” Netanyahu told Olmert last week. “The restoration of our might is a matter of life or death.”
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The Sarkozy victory in France means that the Charles De Gaulle CSG can be counted in the reckoning, non?

No absolutely not. You cant count on France for anything.

No absolutely not. You cant count on France for anything.

With Sarkozy, you can count on it. Sarkozy loves the NWO, loves the European Union, was represented in Bilderberg 2006, loves Bush, loves the war against the arabs and muslims. He would attack Iran with the USA. I'm sure, there's no doubt.

Sarkozy loves Israël too, he's a big zionist. Here's a proof. And anyway, if you look at his past, he's a big zionist.

[edit on 8-5-2007 by Vitchilo]

In one sense nothing has changed. Iran is not in the crosshairs yet. But something is brewing. Read links 1 and 2 and try to reconcile it with links 3 and 4.

1. www.kuwaittimes.net...
2. blogs.abcnews.com...
3. www.ipsnews.net...
4. www.timesonline.co.uk...

To me this means the political leadership and the military don't see eye to eye. Cheney and men like Deputy National Security Advisor Elliot Abrams want an attack to occur. Many of the other people that are driving this are meeting next week in the Bahamas at an off the record conference.

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Our military officers don't seem to think bombing Iran is a good course of action. Fallon refused to escalate by requesting the third carrier. So what does the White House do? Escalate in every other way possible. New UN Sanctions. Presidential finding allowing covert ops. Move an armada in the gulf as a Display of force. Etc.

I think they are going to try to pressure Iran into doing something stupid that would provoke a military response.

Well Admiral Fallon declined to request a third carrier but he got one handed to him by Cheney anyway. That says a lot.

www.commondreams.org...
www.debka.com...
www.freemarketnews.com...

So months later after the initial hoopla in April and subsequent cool-down we *poof* got the 3rd CSG in the Gulf region. Interestingly it's being kept quiet. Some are incorrectly saying that it is going to replace the Stennis. This is not true. The Enterprise deployment is a "surge deployment."


The United States is now on a war footing with this offensive posture. When the 4th CSG shows up in the Red Sea you will know that the attack is IMMINENT. They do not typically operate there. Simply transit or imminent attack. In both Gulf wars they had at least one carrier in the Red Sea. According to a Naval source they do not operate there because of the poor maneuverability, high commercial traffic, and various sundry other problems like masses of eels clogging the water intakes used to cool the reactors on the nuclear-powered carriers.

Putin is visiting with Bush this weekend to discuss Iran among other topics. The US is pushing for a third round of sanctions in July. This time they want some very punishing sanctions and need Russian and Chinese cooperation to get it through the United Nations Security Council. These are the real sanctions that could grind Iran's floundering economy to a halt. The European and Chinese are pushing for a compromise whereby Iran would not suspend enrichment as the US is demanding but would put on hold the addition of any new centrifuges to their cascade of about 3000. This would lay the groundwork for direct talks with Iran over the nuclear program.

I expect the tough sanctions will pass. Putin is probably squeezing Bush for concessions on the ABM program and other issues important to Russia in exchange for approval of the tougher sanctions. Assuming they do get these sanctions passed it may provoke Iran into escalating the conflict by some measure. Iran has threatened to pull oil exports and take a much harsher line if they get hit with sanctions again. If the sanctions don't pass the US may decided that diplomacy has failed and that there is a need to act unilaterally.

Anyway watch the carriers. Keep an eye on the Kitty Hawk. If they want to do to this sooner than later than they'll use it. In a couple of months the Truman will have finished training and be available. The Lincoln is a possibility but unlikely since it just left DPIA and started sea trials. Action by the Truman and especially the Lincoln would push the earliest possible attack date into the fall.

Originally posted by Vitchilo

No absolutely not. You cant count on France for anything.

With Sarkozy, you can count on it. Sarkozy loves the NWO, loves the European Union, was represented in Bilderberg 2006, loves Bush, loves the war against the arabs and muslims. He would attack Iran with the USA. I'm sure, there's no doubt.

[edit on 8-5-2007 by Vitchilo]

Did you read the article. He believes that Palestinian statehood should come to be, but neither Jews or Arabs should be banned from living in each others countries, there are already 1 million Arabs in Israel. Did you read Sarkozy's statements about mending fences with the US? He didn't approve of the US-led invasion of Iraq by any means, just like most French politicians. He did not join the EU in their call for ceasefire in the Israeli-Lebanon war stating, "Israel has the right to defend herself, but must act with level-headedness and restraint." He's very sensible in his views, hes no lapdog of the US, EU(though he does believe in more European Integration), of "NWO." Just because he doesn't walk the Chirac line doesn't mean he's an imperialist. The more I read about him, the more I like him and wish we had someone like him here in the States.

Nicolas Sarkozy and US-French relations

[edit on 7/3/2007 by ludaChris]

Sarkozy is sold to the NWO, that's for sure, he sent people at Bilderberg representing him.

Anyway, there some news, if true, that could be worrysome. Here it is: On June 26 US ran nuclear weapons exercises, it is also confirmed in the Washington Post ...

So now you need a false flag operation and it's the bombing run of Iran with nukes.

Wow June, 26th??

Nuclear messages

International radio operators picked up large numbers of coded Air Force communications being sent around the world on June 26 that indicated some type of military activity was about to take place.

A U.S. military official said the radio traffic was monitored from the Air Force Global High Frequency System (GHFS) that some observers regarded as "extraordinary" because of the unprecedented length of messages. They were sent to Air Force commanders at Andrews Air Force Base; Wideawake Airfield on Ascension Island; Elmendorf Air Force Base, Alaska; Andersen Air Force Base, Guam; Hickam Air Force Base, Hawaii; Lajes Field in the Azores; Offutt Air Force Base, Nebraska; Salinas Air Base, Puerto Rico; Thule Air Base, Greenland; and Yokota Air Base, Japan. All are sites of GHFS ground stations.

The messages appeared to be emergency action messages, coded communications sent by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to U.S. Air Force strategic nuclear forces.

The messages sent June 26 included 174 characters, much longer than normal 30-character messages, and amateur radio monitors say they have not seen the size of this message since the 1991 Persian Gulf War.
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A retired Air Force general said the strategic nuclear forces also dispatch command action messages that are part of a nuclear command system that requires force commanders to respond within two minutes.

from Washington Post source above

That same day:
Chicago Emergency Alert System Activated Today (6/26/07) By Presidential Code

Hmmm... VERY INTERESTING

In addition, one year ago, June 19th 2006:
4,000 government workers head to bunkers

I think they have been getting ready
for that terror "spectacular"...

Ships are leaving tomorrow... for a 6 month tour in the Iran area.

Aircraft carrier USS Enterprise departs Norfolk for 6-month Mediterranean-Persian Gulf tour, a deployment DEBKAfile first revealed June 29

July 8, 2007, 11:39 AM (GMT+02:00)

Four warships in the carrier’s strike group depart Norfolk Naval station Monday, July 9: the guided missile destroyers Arleigh Burke, Stout, James E .Williams and Forrest Sherman, as well as three more ships – with in all 7,500 sailors aboard.

The Enterprise CVN 65-Big E Strike Group will join the USS Stennis and USS Nimitz carriers, building up the largest sea, air, marine concentration the US has ever deployed opposite Iran.

We have an odd situation developing. DEBKA was first the report on the deployment of the 3rd CSG USS Enterprise. Then when mainstream media picked up on the deployment and reported it, they characterized it as a replacement mission rather than an augmentation. In fact most mainstream media sources present it as if the Navy is going to go to a 1 carrier presence in the Middle East.

Now DEBKA has a new article out. They are flat-out contradicting the mainstream media and say so in the new article. DEBKA is saying the Enterprise is going in to join the Nimitz and Stennis. They say specifically that this is not a rotation or a replacement. It doesn't say much else. They don't address the obvious question which is why, if DEBKA is to be believed, the Navy is lying or covering this up.

Stennis is leaving the area now and the Enterprise is taking it's time getting there which doesn't support DEBKA's contention. I suppose this could all be a feint . The Stennis could move out of there only to turn back around and head back to the region at short notice.

And "something" could always wind its way out of Chertoff's "gut" changing the geopolitical environment instantly. Who knows.


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DEBKAfile: The US aircraft carrier USS Enterprise will not rotate with any of the two carriers already present in the Middle East

July 12, 2007, 10:23 AM (GMT+02:00)

Our military sources report that the Enterprise, whose deployment with the US Fifth Fleet, was first revealed by DEBKA-Net-Weekly 300 on June 1, will in fact join the USS Stennis and USS Nimitz near the shores of Iran - not replace them, as reported in some media. The carrier which departed Norfolk Monday is heading for a six-month Middle East tour of duty with its strike group of four warships: the guided missile destroyers Arleigh Burke, Stout, James E .Williams and Forrest Sherman, as well as three more ships – and 7,500 sailors in all aboard.

Latest from Worldtribune is that the crarrier presence will be reduced to one in the next two weeks and that by 2008 we wont have any over there.

So, if that is to be believed yet folks also think a strike on Iran is immenent, then it will happen in two weeks before the replacement otherwise no strike will occur as these carrier groups arent coming home just to turn around and go back.

Israel, looks like your own your own in this one.

www.worldtribune.com...

Originally posted by Order Out Of Chaos

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
Err... that will be FOUR Carrier Strike Groups in the Gulf during March.

The Eisenhower is there until early April, Stennis just arrived, Nimitz is on it's way and now you're saying the Reagan is being deployed to the Gulf?

This is big.

CORRECT.

Don't underestimate whats happening here.It's yet another well-orcastrated move by the NWO.
The US have NO choice but to go into Iran, if they don't the US economy will collapse.
The 'threats' you've seen and heard from Iran are US propoganda.
Theirs a HEAVY UFO presence all around the world, which means they're trying to warn us the end times are close if we do not stop these warmongers.

that's quite the mouthful. do you have anything to back up your wild claims? they are interesting to say the least.

on a side note, can we please stop calling this current military conflict a war? if it was a true declaration of war approved by congress, our soldiers' wages would skyrocket like they deserve for putting their backsides on the line to serve corporate america and haliburton's agendas.

It does not matter if the corporate media, the only media in the United States, calls this conflict a "War on Terror." It is not a war. It is

[edit on 17-7-2007 by LooseLipsSinkShips]

Um...about to be ONE carrier strike group in the gulf in 2 weeks. So what does that say?

that's strange how my previous post got cut off and now the edit feature is not available to me. I originally posted that this current conflict in the middle east is not a War, it's a "Military Engagement." Just like Korea and Just like Nam.

Or they will sacrifice the carrier staying in the area as a Gulf Of Tonkin 2. Remember that the congress will be in vacation in August, that the original Gulf Of Tonkin 1 happenned in August, that if the carrier is sacrificed, no witness will be able to say that it was an inside job because no one else will be around.

They just have to bomb it, kill everyone in the ship, the others ship lose contact with it, go on the site, the carrier is at the bottom of the ocean... Iran attacked it... It's war!

We'll see soon enough.

Well, in a few weeks we are only going to have one aircraft carrier there so if it goes down what are we going to retaliate with?

No need for the mini-nuke. They can do it conventional.


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If they go down to one carrier it looks like it's off the calendar for this year. Politically within the White House there is resolve to strike Iran sometime before Bush leaves office. The Guardian put out a story on July 16. It explains the internal politics of striking Iran. Cheney is back in control of policy. Diplomacy has the front seat for now but the military option which is now plan B will become plan A by next year.

www.guardian.co.uk...

Also they want to do the strike conventionally. See my above post for the story on the Massive Ordnance Penetrator. This weapon seems ideal but it is not scheduled to be available until early next year. We knows the Stennis has left CENTCOM. Adm. Michael Mullen doesn't grab the JCOS reins until October. Gen. Pace is not interested in attacking Iran.

So while it could of course come at anytime most indicators point to some time next year. They can't pull it off if they wait much longer than that. Dennis Ross was the top Mideast negotiator under Clinton. He said that it looks like a strike is coming because pretty soon we'll run into Israel's "red line" when they will supposedly attack with or without us. The "red line" is not enrichment capability or cascades of centrifuges. The "red line" is the strength of Iranian air defense.
www.huffingtonpost.com...

He doesn't go into detail other than to say that penetrating their air defense may not be a given 18 months from now and if they want to do this strike they have to execute before the Russian-built integrated air defense system is in place. They may even want to save it for a wag-the-dog style October Surprise in 2008 just prior to the elections.

As always a lot can change between now and then. Surprise events like the capture of the British sailors could force their hand early. If they want to strike early they can use the tremendous number of VLS tomahawk cruise missile cells. Both the Nimitz and Enterprise groups heavily favor guided cruise missile cruisers and destroyers. The Enterprise group has something like 512 cells alone. These will be used in a big attack but if they want a surprise option for a lower-risk limited attack they can flood the skies with 1000 Tomahawks.
In fact Israel's PM Olmert made this threat explicit. (He later retracted it).
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