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Doubts about Illuminati bloodlines




Topic started on 2-2-2007 @ 11:29 AM by dr_strangecraft


I just finished reading the "illuminati bloodlines" at the watcher files:

Fritz Springmeier articles at the watcher files

(It is not new information or new concepts for me. I discovered and started reading None Dare Call It Conspiracy back about 1985. . .)

The thesis is basically, that the illuminati control world politics, and are themselves controlled by thirteen "satanic" families of the uber-rich, across the centuries.

Here are some doubts I have about the "bloodlines" theory.

1. The recent nature of most of the bloodlines
Look at one of the most frequently claimed "satanic families," the Astors. They were insignicant before the 1780's. Frankly, that is a pittance compared to the ruling houses of Europe or antiquity. Heck, even my own direct ancestry goes back to the 1570's, and the Barons of Fremdartig held the family seat from the mid-thirteenth century. I would expect a truly satanic bloodline to include the flavians of Rome, or at least the house of Lorraine. Heck, where are the Romanovs? The Habsburgs? At several points in history, over half of the population of Europe were Habsburg subjects. Their family curse is the stuff of legend, and their family continues to control international finance and politics today, even though they no longer rule governments directly. How did they get a pass, while 'The Disney Bloodline' gets a full freature---and it begins with Walt himself!!!!

2. Focus on the "Gilded Age."
The last third of the 19th century was a time of incredible consolidation in American capitalism. Empires were founded by penniless immigrants like Andrew Carnegie, who literally picked presidents. But the hallmark of those days was the entrepreneurial nature of American wealth. How come the names of the 1880's, the Morgans, the Mellons, the Carnegies, haven't controlled anything since WWI? They certainly held to the Fabian ideal. Why aren't they still in power? But they have long been eclipsed, both in politics and wealth.

3. Ignorance of the nature of American Wealth
As testified to by the seminal book The Millionaire Next Door, most American millionaires do not inherit their wealth. They are mostly the grandchildren of immigrants. They don't live lavishly, or allow themselves to become media celebrities.

Now, JJ Astor created an empire alright, but it hasn't kept up with the times. While his family is still loaded, and have bought themselves a half-dozen English lordships, (Wikipedia family tree of the Astors), they haven't done anything lately, in the past 50 years. Look at the list. Do you see any Kings, UN presidents, or foreign ministers? Any heads of banks? Me neither.

Who really has the money? Try Bill Gates: 11 Billion. More than all of the astors today, and probably in line with whats left of the Krupp or Rothschild families. He did it in one generation. And his charitable giving accrues him way more power today in the Democratic Party than the Kennedys have, even with a sitting Senator in their ranks. Same with the Sam Walton family: He created the largest company on the planet and was, while he lived, the richest biped. If the Rothschilds and Russels were smart, they bought stock in his company. But HE controlled it. HE changed the face of American business. He gave the orders to world banking, instead of taking them. Do you seriously want to assert that he was a pawn of the Kennedys? More like it was the other way around . . .

4. The Historical Illuminati were unconcerned with bloodlines.
The document seized by the Bavarian government in the 1780's shows an egalitarian organization. The crown was dilligent in seeking out the last Illuminatus precisely because the Illuminati were a meritocracy: you couldn't buy influence with them. So, why have the illuminati changed, and begun enriching a few inbred fat-cats, instead of focusing on world domination. Frankly, other than the governorships of west virginia and arkansas(!), the Rockefeller hand has sort of slipped, and the world is hardly controlled by them in any meaningful way.

5. Inherited Power and Privilege is no way to run a conspiracy
Think about it: can you name a son or grandson who surpassed the founder of his line? Other than Kublai Khan in the 15th century, most dynasties peak with their founder. From the Ottoman Turks to the Fatimids of Egypt, to the Houses of Hanover and Stuart, most descendants don't do anything but copulate with their cousins and fritter away the principal of their inheritance. It must really p. off the executives at the world bank, when they have to sit down with Ted Kennedy or Arnold Schwarzenegger and get told how to run things. . . C'mon. Teddy and Arnie take orders from Davos; they don't issue them.

If anything, the generational trust-funds of the "old money" have been co-opted by globalist think tanks, who siphon off the proceeds to fund their globalist causes, without Paris Hilton or Queen Elizabeth really having a clue. (I'm working on evidence of this, and hope to post something before year's end, about the mismanagement of a global VIP's trust fund, and how the money is being subborned for a political cause that works against the insterest of the prime beneficiary of said fund. More on that later.)

In conclusion, I'm casting my doubts on the idea that the Illuminati are concerned with bloodlines or ancestry at all. Instead, I believe they'd be working to increase their own power.



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reply posted on 2-2-2007 @ 11:32 AM by RWPBR


I just gave you a WATS vote !



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reply posted on 2-2-2007 @ 02:08 PM by Trinityman



Originally posted by dr_strangecraft
In conclusion, I'm casting my doubts on the idea that the Illuminati are concerned with bloodlines or ancestry at all. Instead, I believe they'd be working to increase their own power.

As a genealogist I have always had my concerns about this theory. Over time, as the human race has grown, specific bloodlines will have become increasingly diluted generation on generation. Thirteen individuals 2000 years ago will have untold millions of descendants. In fact it is estimated that the MCRA (Most Common Recent Ancestor), e.g. the most recently lived person from whom we are all descended could have lived as recently as 800 years ago.

Doesn't the math behind this make a complete mockery of the bloodline theory?

Great blog on this here.



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reply posted on 2-2-2007 @ 04:13 PM by Cug


Another WATS vote from me.

The SS forum needs more posts like this (both for and against).



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reply posted on 2-2-2007 @ 05:11 PM by corsig


Great post- thank you!!!

Someone told me last night that there are 250 people alone who have more money than 60% of the US population (I hope I got that figuer right). Basically what it means is that only a handfull of people have the mass majority of the money.



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reply posted on 2-2-2007 @ 11:54 PM by Illusionsaregrander


I agree with the original poster a great deal. A meritocracy would be the only system that would make any real sense.



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