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Originally posted by Sunsetspawn
This doesn't mean that smoking is the most addictive thing on earth, although it could be, as I'm sure big tobacco put a lot of research into making just the right concoction of additives as to make smoking extremely difficult to quit.
Originally posted by bsbray11
Originally posted by SpaceCalamari
The arguement against it usually seems to be that "you're taking away their rights"
Because you would be.
but the problem is that smoking doesnt just affect the person smoking, it is a risk to the health of everyone around them which just isnt fair.
Then maybe they should ban smoking in public.
I don't smoke, except maybe a cigar very rarely, because it's disgusting to me too, but so what? I'm never around anyone that really makes it unpleasant for me by smoking. I can't imagine why it would be so hard just to avoid the smoke. At any rate I don't think the solution is outlawing tobacco.
[edit on 2-2-2007 by bsbray11]
Originally posted by Baphomet79
Where Griff and I live in D.C., before the New Years smoking ban you could NOT find a bar that wasn't coated in a haze of smoke.
Originally posted by magicmushroom
We as humans are exposed to a mass of chemicals all our lives many of which can cause illness and death and it would be wrong for these not to be discovered or treated.
Smoking Is Healthier Than Fascism
This is not a debate about the dangers of passive smoking, we all know smoking is bad for us and those around us. On an individual level, freedom includes the right to do dumb things and whether others should be subject to our vices comes down to two questions, is fascism more unhealthy for a society than passive smoking and does the government really care about your health?
Dare I suggest that western governments raining down depleted uranium in all corners of the world, spraying chemtrails in our skies, playing Dr. Frankenstein with our food, drugging us into oblivion with psychotropic poison pills, shooting x-rays to expose our naked bodies, and injecting us with toxic vaccines really care about our physical well-being?
It's all about control, it's all about letting you know who the bosses are. If the government can regulate personal habits and behavior, what's next? If the state is so concerned about our good health as they would have you believe, why not use the latest scientific advancements to remove that nasty aggressive gene that causes so much unhappiness? Well, you're causing those around you distress and harming their health so why not? Are your political opinions a mental illness? Are they harming society? Perhaps we should ban certain types of "free" speech that is offensive to others.
Originally posted by Souljah
Oh yeah, and this is where the story is actually beginning. For example in Omaha Nebraska, city police are encouraging residents to call 911 if they see a smoker in a non-smoking area. Well that certainly is an excellent use of the police force - screw the drug dealers and the sex-traffickers and the weapon smugglers and all the real criminals - just call the cops when you see a smoker breaking the law! Not to mention, that one firm the boss ordered all his employees to take urine tests to determine if they had smoked, even in their own homes. Well what is next? Putting pink starts on all smokers, so that they can be quickly spotted in the public? Deport them to the nearets detention camp? Just so that YOU know who is da BOSS, and who tells you where you can do what and why - you think you are going to do what you want at home? Not anymore! Welcome to the Fascist Police states of Europe and America, where your only freedom is to stay dumb and just nod and say:
Originally posted by JackofBladesI never really understood why marijuana was illegal and cigarettes aren't. Smoking marijuana isn't addicting (unless you mix it with other drugs)
, it does less damage than a cigarette and its alot more of an anti-social thing to do.
People smoke marijuana with friends, whereas people who smoke cigarettes often go trundling off at inconvenient times to light up, or buy another pack of fags.
And second hand smoke is the worse type of smoke - mainly because you are literally killing the people around you as you happily puff away.
Originally posted by The_unraveller
Wrong... it is addictive. It contains nicotene (which is addictive), just like cigarettes. Just with a little THC, that gives you that high.
Wrong, again... It was tested. 3-4 average size buds, was equivalent to a packet of cigarettes. Don't believe me... okay, smoke a cigarette through a piece of cloth, and a bud/joint through a piece of cloth. You will see that marijuana leaves a lot more of its "residue" (which is nicotene, tar and in this case THC)... Guess where that filth ends up?
What happens when all the marijuana's finished? Someone has to go buy it? "trundeling off at inconvenient times to light up", huh? so smoking marijuana is fine?
Everybody says that, but I don't belive it. How can something be twice as deadly, if it has already filtered through someone else's lungs? What's next? They'll tell you to hold your breath... *because when you exhale your breath produces cyanide that, blah, blah, blah.*
Originally posted by The_unraveller
Hmm, I don't need links to prove anything to me... I was a hardcore smoker (weed included 3-4 big buds a night and smoked almost 2 packs a day for almost 10 years). Well, if there is no nicotene in cannabis... then THC is addictive. It cannot be measured, it depends on the person. I was addicted, and it took me awhile to get out of it. And I'm damn proud of it.
1st-hand experience beats scientific tests. I had a wicked cough when I smoked (weed of course), and I don't actually cough... Now, I rarely clear my throat. I'm a healthy person.
Legalizing weed is the worst thing people can do... the world doesn't need more hippies. Hippies always go on, on how they are going to do something to make the world a better place... then they do nothing. Prove that wrong.
I also was skeptical about legalizing weed... when I smoked marijuana. But you will disagree with me on this. Weed is a stepping stone to hardcore drugs. It is a rare occurence if someone smokes weed and didn't try anything else (the ones who stick to their word about never doing any other kind of drug).
Been there, done that, got what I deserved. A sh*tty reputation and less friends.
[edit on 3-2-2007 by The_unraveller]
Originally posted by Baphomet79
I've only smoked pot 2 times so I can't speak from first hand experience. But first hand experience set aside, pot is NOT chemically addictive, I'm to lazy to look for a link but just trust me on that one. People become behaviorally addicted to it because of the feeling they get while high, that's it. Gateway drug, absolutely, many of my friends fell down that path while in high school.