One Third Of The Holocaust:More Compelling Evidence It Never Happened, page 9
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reply posted on 28-2-2007 @ 04:38 PM by Nygdan
Originally posted by kenochi
Some facts...

no original Nazi gas chambers were ever found. The gas chambers shown to tourists at Auschwitz and other camps are reconstructions built after the war by the Russians and Poles.

You do realize that this has already come up in this thread, right?

The use of homocidal gas chambers at nazi death camps has been confirmed. There were nazis who admited to it after capture. There were nazis who wrote about it in their diaries prior to capture. THere were prisoners who witnessed it (but I guess they don't count because they're 'eviiil jooos' ), there is also documentary and forensic evidence that the chambers were used to kill people.

So please don't come here with that worn out nazi-trump of 'there were no gas chambers'.

Unfortunately they are of crematoria, not gas chambers. Simply taking a blueprint of a different kind of room and labelling it with the words 'gas chamber' doesn't mean that it was one

So even though the nazis had blueprints of chambers that were for the holding of human beings and the venting of toxic gas, AND they were directly connected to the camp morques and associated with mass cremation ovens, thats not a 'blueprint'.

kenochi
They weren't 'death camps' - that's a silly, melodramatic name for them

They were specifically set up to exterminate human beings, they most certainly were death camps. There were some concentration camps that weren't necessarily death camps, rather they had death camps associated with them. Not all concentration camps are death camps. The British put the Boers into Concentration Camps during the Boer war, 6 million Boers didn't die because of it.
The Nazis created those camps to put jews and other undesirables into them in the first place. Not criminals, not POWs, not resistors, but jews and 'sub-humans'. Then they started the attempt to exterminate them. The destruction of the semitic people and culture from germany to make it more Aryan and less restricted and more powerful was the core of Nazi ideology and the ariosophy on which it was based.


tom goose
was it really because Hitler was a madman?

A person who systematically tried to exterminate another race is by definition a madman. Hitler wasn't a raving lunatic, clearly. He was rather brilliant. He went from a lowly common man to become the leader of all of germany. Germany went from a defeated and humiliated and disarmed and ruined country in the midst of perhaps its greatest economic catastrophe, and become one of the supreme powers of europe and the world under him.

He also hated jews and non-germans to the point that he tried to exterminate them as a people.
So he wasn't a jibbering lunatic, but he was definitely a madman
the holocaust did happen, but like 9-11, was it an inside job?

Its utterly preposterous to suggest that the jews carried out the holocaust under the noses of the nazis. Its absurd to even suggest that the jews went along with it, to 'get israel'. If the germans hadn't been defeated, and they were barely defeated, then the jews in germany would be extinct.


reply posted on 28-2-2007 @ 08:10 PM by tom goose
Originally posted by Nygdan


tom goose
was it really because Hitler was a madman?

A person who systematically tried to exterminate another race is by definition a madman. Hitler wasn't a raving lunatic, clearly. He was rather brilliant. He went from a lowly common man to become the leader of all of germany. Germany went from a defeated and humiliated and disarmed and ruined country in the midst of perhaps its greatest economic catastrophe, and become one of the supreme powers of europe and the world under him.

He also hated jews and non-germans to the point that he tried to exterminate them as a people.
So he wasn't a jibbering lunatic, but he was definitely a madman
the holocaust did happen, but like 9-11, was it an inside job?

Its utterly preposterous to suggest that the jews carried out the holocaust under the noses of the nazis. Its absurd to even suggest that the jews went along with it, to 'get israel'. If the germans hadn't been defeated, and they were barely defeated, then the jews in germany would be extinct.


preposterous eh? well obviously you arn't thinking like an elitest. Someone should put me in charge of the NWO, ill have you all rounded up in no time at all.
why was Brown Brothers Harriman bank, supporting Hitler?

After the seizures in late 1942 of five U.S. enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, U.S. government documents reveal that Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, failed to divest himself of more than a dozen "enemy national" relationships that continued until as late as 1951.[1]

Furthermore, the records show that Bush and his colleagues routinely attempted to conceal their activities from government investigators.[2]

en.wikipedia.org...



wiki won't say too much about it, but there are plenty of other places to look if you're interested.

but if you look into brown brothers harriman you will find a well imbedded american politician, that helped aid Hitler with his banking interests. In fact if you look at the roster of partners at Brown Brothers Harriman, you will find that it is made almost entirely of Skull and Bones members. So why are All-American elitests helping hitler? and you better have good answer for this, so far youv'e done nothing but sway back and forth avoiding every direct question.

William Averell Harriman (November 15, 1891 – July 26, 1986) was an American Democratic Party politician, businessman and diplomat. He was the son of railroad baron E. H. Harriman. He served as Secretary of Commerce under President Truman and later as Governor of New York.
en.wikipedia.org... [ex/]


reply posted on 28-2-2007 @ 09:19 PM by pavil
Originally posted by kenochi
They weren't 'death camps' - that's a silly, melodramatic name for them.


They most assuredly were. There were six major and two minor "Extermination or Death Camps". They were specifically built , not to work people hard (Labor Camps) or to hold them as enemies of the state (concentration camps). There were plenty of those two types but only eight camps that were built to kill those brought to them.

I know this wont sway you but here is part of SS Lt. Kurt Gerstein's testimony to some of the events he witnessed at Belzec one of the Extermination camps:
en.wikipedia.org...

Unterscharführer Hackenholt was making great efforts to get the engine running. But it doesn't go. Captain Wirth comes up. I can see he is afraid because I am present at a disaster. Yes, I see it all and I wait. My stopwatch showed it all, 50 minutes, 70 minutes, and the diesel did not start. The people wait inside the gas chambers. In vain. They can be heard weeping, "like in the synagogue," says Professor Pfannenstiel, his eyes glued to a window in the wooden door. Furious, Captain Wirth lashes the Ukrainian assisting Hackenholt twelve, thirteen times, in the face. After 2 hours and 49 minutes—the stopwatch recorded it all—the diesel started. Up to that moment, the people shut up in those four crowded chambers were still alive, four times 750 persons in four times 45 cubic meters. Another 25 minutes elapsed. Many were already dead, that could be seen through the small window because an electric lamp inside lit up the chamber for a few moments. After 28 minutes, only a few were still alive. Finally, after 32 minutes, all were dead...Dentists hammered out gold teeth, bridges and crowns. In the midst of them stood Captain Wirth. He was in his element, and showing me a large can full of teeth, he said: "See for yourself the weight of that gold! It's only from yesterday and the day before. You can't imagine what we find every day—dollars, diamonds, gold. You'll see for yourself!"


Sorry for the long quote...... needed to be in it's entirety.


reply posted on 1-3-2007 @ 09:06 AM by kenochi
The trouble with trying to discuss the holocaust is that for understandable reasons, people get emotional. This is natural, but they then unfortunately lose the ability to discuss rationally. The level of argument here is pretty poor. People have already resorted to name-calling and rather shallow attempts at accusations of racism. As I said before, the discussion is not whether or not the holocaust happened. Obviously something happened.
I am not saying nothing happened. Neither am I saying the Jews didn't suffer. Neither am I saying the Nazis were a bunch of terrific guys.
I am saying that anyone who is prepared to actually look at the available evidence, calmly and logically (and I mean the real evidence - the minutes of the Wannsee conference, the available blueprints, the IMT and NMT transcripts, the eyewitness statements, the confessions etc) will see that there is clearly something very wrong with the holocaust story, or more specifically, the gas chamber part of it. Obviously this does have a knock-on effect as if the the Nazis weren't using gas chambers it becomes impossible for so many to have died.
As I mentioned before, the actual historians, Raul Hilberg, Jean-Claude Pressac etc who are recognised as holocaust experts accept the fact that no gas chambers were found and that there is very little evidence for them. They simply work their theories around this.
Yet you lot do a bit of websurfing and think you can discuss the issue with certainty! Remarkable. As you are clearly the world experts on this topic, with some form of superior knowledge and evidence base compared to the leading historical authorities, perhaps you ought to consider publishing your views.
Maybe try doing a bit of real reading - I recommend Pressac's book on gas chambers or Hilberg's 'the destruction of the European Jews' as starting points.
But I guess its probably easier to read a page off Wiki and then abuse anyone who says something you don't agree with.
Congratulations gentlemen. Free minds the world over salute you.
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