One Third Of The Holocaust:More Compelling Evidence It Never Happened, page 19
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reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 09:29 AM by o2bwise
Hi,

I decided to participate here for a number of reasons.

One reason is that I continue to be fascinated with the varying levels of ability of people to take red pills (traverse paradigms). It is amazing to me why it actually is that beliefs are held and the extent to which beliefs are sometimes held for reasons other than critical thinking. Moreover, it is fascinating to me how it is people often find it so hard to not believe that which is strongly held.

Another reason is that I am a bona fide "holocaust-denier." Well, since I was not there, it is more accurate to say that I assign probabilities. Let's just say I am ~99% confident the holocaust never happened.

Another reason is my personal odyssey with respect to this topic. The first time someone shared with me the idea it did not happen, I instinctively yelled at the person, "Get out of here! I don't want to talk about that!"

I browsed some of the posts and it seems to me the primary basis for belief is emotion. Logical fallacies abound. The biggest one is being challenged to prove a negative. Prove that something did not happen.

To me, one of the most compelling evidences of unsound reason is the use of the 6,000,000 figure. People bandy it about as if the data fed to them is such that they just know the number is ~6,000,000. Really?

Has anyone seen the newspaper headlines in ~1910 that refer to THAT holocaust? Admittedly, it was not deaths, it was "just" persecution, BUT, who were the victims and what was the number? It was Jews and the number of victims was - oh my! - 6,000,000.

Gee, what a coincidence. 6,000,000 then and 6,000,000 in the 1940's.

So, where does the number come from? It comes from the kabbala. Its source is occultism, pure and simple. It HAS to be 6,000,000.

That's why it is 6,000,000.

Man, think about it. How did any of you KNOW the number was 6,000,000 or thereabouts? The answer is you didn't really know. It was belief in the absence of the facts.


Take care...

o2


reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 09:52 AM by Skyfloating
reply to post by o2bwise



Buying in to this nonsense equals "taking the red pill" and "traversing paradigms"?

Since I reject Holocaust-Denial people have accused me of being a sheeple and "not having looked into it". I HAVE looked into it. Read entire books and websites on Holocaust-Denial. And it STILL doesnt make any sense...whatsoever.

Expecting me to believe that thousands of concentration-camp victims who have come out to tell their stories are liars is not the "paradigm shift" Im looking for.



reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 10:45 AM by scordar
reply to post by o2bwise



The original link to the movie doesn't work anymore. (surprise surprise...)

Here is a link to a torrent file at piratebay, downloading it myself at the moment, sounds like a very interesting film to me.

thepiratebay.org...(k0 nsl)

My personal opinion of the subject is that the whole 'holohoax' is perhaps the most succesfull propaganda campaign ever. And it's only purpose at the time it started was to gain some symphaty for the jews and to make possible the founding of israel criminal nation.


reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 12:56 PM by seagull
reply to post by neformore





And my conclusion was that holocaust deniers can play with numbers all they want. Take a million off the six million figure. Take two million. That still leaves four million people slaughtered.


Playing with numbers is what they do...

Take a mistake and magnify it beyond all recognition, that too is what they do.

Hatred is what drives them. Hatred of Jews. Hatred of anything that's different in their eyes...if it weren't Jews, it'd be gays. If it wasn't those groups, it'd be something or someone else...

So here's my question to those who say it didn't happen...what the Hell happened to all of those that are missing? Where are the grandparents of a very good friend?



reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 03:22 PM by o2bwise
So here's my question to those who say it didn't happen...what the Hell happened to all of those that are missing?


www.rense.com...
1. In 1939, there were officially nearly 15,700,000 Jews in the world.(1) After the Second World War, that number had risen to over 18,000,000 Jews.(2) What this means is that of the 15,700,000 original Jews on the planet, 6,000,000 were allegedly gassed, leaving only some 9,000,000-plus Jews on Earth. However, the world Jewish population somehow rebounded - and doubled - to over 18,000,000 in less than nine years-an astronomical feat.

2. From the beginning, there was always the 'SIX MILLION' of which 4,000,000 were allegedly gassed at Auschwitz. Then, in 1990, it was discovered that only 1.5 million were supposedly gassed at Auschwitz, a difference of 2.5 million less. Yet, the sacred Six Million figure remained untouched and unchallenged, even though no instant replacement for the 2.5 million was ever found.

3. During this time frame, the Director of the Auschwitz State Museum, Dr. Franciszek Piper, announced that the so-called gas chamber there had been fabricated by the Soviets AFTER the war (as a propaganda device to keep the world focused on the evils of Nazi Germany while the Bolshevik communists continued to consume as much of Europe as they could). Dr. Piper's statement is on videotape.

4. But there's more. The International Red Cross, formally and officially reported that less than 300,000 internees of all nationalities in the German camps died of all causes, including old age.(3) And of these, barely more than half were Jews. Most of these died in several severe typhoid epidemics caused by wartime conditions, which claimed many lives throughout Germany - including those of doctors, nurses and camp administrative personnel.

5. Even these deaths were too much for the German authorities. On December 8, 1942, Heinrich Himmler, chief commandant of all detention facilities, issued an order stating categorically: "The death rate in the camps must be reduced at all costs."

6. In all of German-occupied Europe there were 2.4 million Jews. After the war, 3.8 million Jews claimed "survivor" benefits from the German government.

Notes

1- The American Jewish Committee cites a figure of 15,688,259.

2- The Jewish-owned New York Times for Feb. 22, 1948, uses a figure of 18,700,000.

3- When the Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the war, asking whether they had witnessed alleged "gassings," the response was universally negative. According to IRC document #9925, June, 1946: "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them."


reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 03:45 PM by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by Nygdan



Actually since we're saying that the numbers matter Nygdan, then we need to use the full numbers. Six million Jews.. .and roughly six million homosexuals, POW's, gypsies, communists, and petty criminals all died as well.

Twelve million people.

And what a lot of people don't realize is that it wasn't just Aushwitz, Treblinka, and Dachau. There were concentration camps all over Europe. From Gurs in Vichy France near the Spanish border, to Bredtveit in Norway, and Salonika in eastern Greeze. There were concentration camps all over the damn place where people were crammed together, enslaved, abused, and killed.


reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 06:03 PM by pop_science
reply to post by whitewave



Wow this actually made me cry, such a sad story and hopefully he is in peace now.

And to think that there are some morons out there who try to piss on everything these people suffered through it's disgusting.
I think it has to do with sheer ignorance and blindness that people can't comprehend things of this nature if it doesn't effect them directly, typically the types of people who don't see much outside of their pseudo sense of self.


reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 06:32 PM by Daedalus24
reply to post by Truth4hire



In high school, we had the fortune to meet two Holocaust survivors, one from Auschwitz and one from Buchenwald. I wonder if they made up all the stories about their families being sent to the gas chambers, or how in one case, one of the survivors i met made up the story about being forced to administer the Zyklon B in the gas chambers. I'm pretty sure they bs-ed it all...
it's a great shame that people really honestly think that the Holocaust is greatly exaggerated


reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 06:52 PM by mazzroth
reply to post by Daedalus24



Zyklon-B was used at Auschwitz, as an insecticide. To kill people enmasse in an enclosed area why not use a cheap gaseous solution like the exhaust from a car pumped into the chamber ? its quiet, cheap and very very effective as the victims would just fall asleep then die.

So the use of a pesticide says scientifically what ??? they were trying to kill insects/pests ? or that they were using an expensive system to exterminate Humans effectively ?
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