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Originally posted by Truth4hire
The pictures you mentioned earlier were from Bergen-Belsen, and the bodies were examined, and there was no gas or carbon monoxide involved in their killing.
I did not say that at all, I said that there were no bodies found in camps under German control which showed that they were killed by gas or carbon-monoxide.
As early as 1944 it was recognized by both the Germans and even the Red Cross that the situation in the camps (in general) was deteriorating rapidly, and that inmates were dying in large numbers because of disease and malnutrition. One of the reasons was that there were insufficient supplies of chemicals (yes, Zyklon-B) to disinfect barracks and clothing from lice which carried pectoral typhus, another reason is that supplies were very hard to bring into the camps because the breakdown of the German infrastructure. These essential supplies (food, medication) were needed to keep the inmates alive. Tyfus was a huge killer in the eastern camps and spared friend nor foe.
Naturally many perished at the end of the war for the above reasons. This still is not proof of gassing or systematic extermination. If anything I would say it was careless of the Allies to bomb the railways which carried supplies to the camps (not soldiers).
Have you bothered to read any of the transcripts at all? I wish you would, because your reactions are biased.
[edit on 13-3-2007 by Truth4hire]
Originally posted by Darkmind
Not as biased as yours. Yes, I have read the transcripts. I have looked at the Holocaust extensively and I followed the Irving Trial with great attention. When the verdict came in I then had a large beer and felt better about the world.
The death camps of the east were massive. They existed. They carried out the industrial mass-murder of the jews.
The mass graves in Russia, where at least a million were shot for the "crime" of being jewish also existed. We have a vast amount of evidence to show that something inexplicably terrible happened there.
The Holocaust makes no practical sense. Murder never does.
As for statement blaming the Allies for the deaths in the camps, how dare you make such a laughable statement.
Can I remind you that the railways were still shipping in Jews into Bergen-Belsen towards the end of the war - so they could also have shipped in food.
They didn't because no-one cared about the jews there. There were surplus to requirements. That was the Nazi mentality. Death by malicious indifference.
How many millions of Soviet prisoners starved to death in 1941-1942 because they were shut away in POW camps and not sufficiently fed? No, your argument is baseless.
And to return to the start of your post - yes, the bodies were from Bergen-Belsen. What's your point? It was a CONCENTRATION camp - not an extermination camp. No-one was gassed there.
They died of typhus and starvation and gratuitous cruelty and indifference.
My grandfather was there to see its liberation.
Originally posted by Smack
I think i'll take the word of the thousands of eye witnesses that lived through WWII over your BS.
What exactly do you hope to gain with this nonsense anyway?
It would be laughable but for the seriousness of the subject matter.
Would you rely simply on testimony by eye witnesses in a crime of such magnitude?
Paul Rassinier was born on March 18, 1906, in Beaumont, a small village near Montbéliard, the son of a farmer. He received his formal education in the schools of the area and passed the necessary examinations which allowed him to teach history and geography at the secondary school level and to use the title of "professor." He taught in the secondary school at Faubourg de Montbéliard where students were prepared to take the "brevet," an examination that is somewhat inferior to that examination which is taken by students in the lycées who desire to matriculate at the university. It was at this school that he was arrested by the Gestapo in October 1943.
Having joined the Socialist Party, SFIO, in 1934, Paul Rassinier became the . of that party in the Belfort area when the war broke out in 1939. Following the German occupation of France, he participated in the founding of the "Libre-Nord" organization which became involved in various forms of "passive resistance," including the smuggling of Jewish refugees over the Franco-Swiss border into Switzerland in cooperation with the Swiss Jewish Committee. Rassinier's activities eventually came to the attention of the German authorities who caused him to be arrested and to be deported to the concentration camp at Buchenwald. Later he was sent to the camp at Dora where he was incarcerated until the end of the war.
Upon his liberation in 1945, he returned to France where he was elected to the Assemblée Nationale as a Socialist deputy. He served for one year and then retired He was awarded the highest decoration which the French government bestowed for service in the wartime resistance movement. Due to his frail health, a consequence of his two years of imprisonment at Buchenwald and Dora, he retired from teaching and received a small pension from the French government. He died on July 29, 1967, at his home in Asnières, near Paris. He is survived by his wife, Jeanette, and his only son, Jean-Paul, who is a practicing physician
Anyone who contests this, using logical analysis of the available facts / documents / testimonies is a 'witchcraft denier' and should be shunned and criticised by all.
Originally posted by T0by
Some people just like to make sure the facts are straight.
ABSTRACT: Leuchter and Rudolf have published pseudoscientific reports purporting to show that chemical residues present in the gas chambers of Auschwitz-Birkenau are incompatible with homicidal gassings. Markiewicz, Gubala, and Labedz have shown unequivocally that cyanides are present in Kremas I-V and bunker 11, at levels above background levels measured in other facilities. Many of the delousing chambers exhibit blue-staining that is not obviously present in the homicidal gas chambers. Leuchter and Rudolf found higher levels of cyanide in these installations than they found in the homicidal gas chambers. The blue-staining present in the delousing chambers is most likely one of the iron blues, a class of compound including Prussian blue. Markiewicz, Gubala, and Labedz discriminated against the presence of this compound, whereas Leuchter and Rudolf did not.
Originally posted by kenochi
there's a lot of info and technical data regarding all the cyanide sample studies done at Auschwitz here...
codoh forum cyanide thread
Originally posted by kenochi
interesting TV interview with Bradley Smith, one of the foremost 'deniers'. I believe this interview was recorded for American TV. If so, it must surely be the first mainstream broadcasting of revisionist views and if so, I would like to heartily congratulate the station responsible, whoever they may be.
brad smith interview
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“Myth, Terrorism & Taboo”, produced by television talk show host Mark Green, presenting highlights from his program “FLASHPOINT” in 2003 on matters concerning U.S. foreign policies in the Middle East. Included are dramatic moments from his interviews with informed and often controversial guests, including Jeffrey Blankfort, Wendy Campbell, Ivan Eland, Richard D. Hecht, Mark Gery, David Nueneubel, Bradley Smith and Stephen Zunes . Among the topics are “Zionism: Kosher Apartheid?”, “Holocaust Skepticism: The Last Taboo?”, “Washington, D.C.: Israeli Occupied Territory” and related topics rarely seen on television. Groundbreaking. 57 mins Also available in DVD.