Frozenthought,

While I admire your efforts I am actually fairly alarmed at how quickly this footage is getting promoted with little to no actual debate.

I think this is a clear example of everything that is wrong with the UFOlogy community.

It's all flash over substance - despite the best intentions.

Originally posted by TruthMagnet
Frozenthought,

While I admire your efforts I am actually fairly alarmed at how quickly this footage is getting promoted with little to no actual debate.

I think this is a clear example of everything that is wrong with the UFOlogy community.

It's all flash over substance - despite the best intentions.

I agree that this video is far, far overpromoted, and that sort of thing only contributes to the giggle factor.

However, I think it's encountered quite a lot of healthy skepticism here at ATS.

[edit on 12-2-2007 by disownedsky]

there are so many missing flights and aircraft over the Lakes that it is dubbed the great lakes triangle....
there is a case of a whole airliner gone missing, and never a trace found...
Boats too have dissapeared without trace in minutes...of having last been sighted by others......great work keep it up!

why do you guys believe the video is overpromoted? did you see the right thing moving toward the main light source at an incredible speed at 1:43 of the youtube footage????

to whoever posted the video, id suggest that you film the exact same place during daytime, because on youtube theyre talking about police cars etc. so if you could just show that it must have been talking place over water???

Originally posted by five55
why do you guys believe the video is overpromoted? did you see the right thing moving toward the main light source at an incredible speed at 1:43 of the youtube footage????

to whoever posted the video, id suggest that you film the exact same place during daytime, because on youtube theyre talking about police cars etc. so if you could just show that it must have been talking place over water???

When David Sereda was in town to do some filming for his new movie, I took him down to the lake in the daytime where this was filmed and also to some other spots along the lake where I have filmed as well, everybody will be able to see this is really Lake Erie and these are no land masses or bridges, these are not police cars or car headlights or boats and that is clear in the daytime footage.

WoW! I suppose it must be pretty fun to work on that film, I hope to see you on TV, when will it be aired?

Originally posted by bonthan
WoW! I suppose it must be pretty fun to work on that film, I hope to see you on TV, when will it be aired?

It has been a ball, first off, before I ever Met David, I have aleady been filming UFO's over Lake Erie for a couple of years, I had begun to read and watch anything I could find on the subject, I became a fan of David's work above all others so to now actually be friends with him, & Be involved in this new movie just blows my mind, for instance I just went to LA recently, Actually for music related business (I'm a musician), I stayed with David at his house in LA, I got to se a lot of the movie and we went out to death Valley and filmed some scenes out there, it was so much fun and those memories I will take to the other side with me.

David is one of the most intelligent enlightened people I have ever come across so to get to pick his brain and just hang out as well, I feel honored and privileged to know David as my friend now.

As far as the movie, We end production the end of March with a release date of April 25th

It will be available in DVD format at that time, as far as TV, There has been some interest from some cable channels, we'll have to wait and see.

This is my first post to ATS. I have been a lurker for a few years. I am grateful for this site. The people here just amaze me. The knowledge of the members is beyond words. Thank you ATS for the wonderful service you provide.

I felt a need to reply to Frozenthoughts video. I have looked at the video many, many times, and will probably view it many more.

I at one time came to the conclusion that the objects were planes lining up for landing. They really do look that way.

I just kept watching and listening, and I do believe they are not planes. I also noticed at 1:43, the movement of the right object suddenly moving to the left object. I do not think planes normally do this.

I also noticed when the camera was switched to night mode I could see a reflection of light on the water below the left object.

Some people have asked why the video just ends. I guess when there is nothing to video, why keep the camera going. The right object, which was the last one being filmed just faded away. I do not think planes do that either.

I did not join ATS to try and convince anyone of anything. I just felt Frozenthought has been beaten up here by some members, and I feel like he needs to hear some encouragement.

I believe you Frozenthought, not that my opionion means anything. I just wanted to say Thank You for sharing your experience with us, and for not letting all the nay-sayers and so called experts get you down.

Again I would like to thank ATS.

I live very close too Lake Erie near Gibraltar, Michigian. We have a state park that has a delta of land that allows an amazing view of the Lake Erie. Ive grown up here as well as in the Michigan UP and you do see a lot of UFO activity be it unexplained lights,shapes,sounds,happenings,etc..
I have seen strange lights at night going high to low over the Lake and at quite a distance and quite often and could be planes landing but sometimes you see multiple colors and that I have no explanation for. Once we were fishing in a 28 ft bow rider about 15-20 miles out from Newport,Mich. and we thought we seen a huge dark object moving in somewhat deep water not far from us and for awhile then no sign at all and was pretty creppy considering the size seemed very close to an small building.
And sometimes we have heard an ultra low type buzzing of humming when around parts of Erie.
When I stayed in the Michigan Up and around KI Sawyer AFB in the 70's and 80's I saw some even stranger and closer unexplained happenings. Military choppers and aircraft seemingly chasing lights or balls of light and then disappearing into the ground. Weird stuff and even though the AF bases in the Michigan North have been closed for sometime you still see signs of some Military activity(well armed and equipt private firms/private security).

Originally posted by VType
I live very close too Lake Erie near Gibraltar, Michigian. We have a state park that has a delta of land that allows an amazing view of the Lake Erie. Ive grown up here as well as in the Michigan UP and you do see a lot of UFO activity be it unexplained lights,shapes,sounds,happenings,etc..
I have seen strange lights at night going high to low over the Lake and at quite a distance and quite often and could be planes landing but sometimes you see multiple colors and that I have no explanation for. Once we were fishing in a 28 ft bow rider about 15-20 miles out from Newport,Mich. and we thought we seen a huge dark object moving in somewhat deep water not far from us and for awhile then no sign at all and was pretty creppy considering the size seemed very close to an small building.
And sometimes we have heard an ultra low type buzzing of humming when around parts of Erie.
When I stayed in the Michigan Up and around KI Sawyer AFB in the 70's and 80's I saw some even stranger and closer unexplained happenings. Military choppers and aircraft seemingly chasing lights or balls of light and then disappearing into the ground. Weird stuff and even though the AF bases in the Michigan North have been closed for sometime you still see signs of some Military activity(well armed and equipt private firms/private security).

Good to see other people are seeing this stuff over the lake, I have filmed those balls of light you speak of, I will have that footage up on youtube.

also check out WWW.Orbwatch.com they are filming the sane stuff over Lake Ontario

Originally posted by disownedsky
I propose a simple experiment: take the same equipment to the same spot at, and wait for an audible aircraft. Take video of this aircraft as it flies by at the same zoom ratio as the lights in the subject video.

Great Idea. Doubt it will happen though. OP has demonstrated a pronounced lack of objectivity as well as diminishing credibility of observation and interpretation in this case.

He still thinks the lights were 50-100 feet above the water and he was standing right there! - lol

this case is getting comical at this point. if people need something to believe in, there are a lot more compelling cases to research.

+ A major reason people are chastising Frozenthought is that if these are indeed airliners, he would well know that and thus his credibility would be invalidated. He's backed himself into a corner here by refusing to acknowledge all possibilities.

The OP's lack of sincere investigative finesse compared to others in the forum is brightly apparent.

+ dont get me started on Fox News.


[edit on 2/13/2007 by lagos]

I think the majority of the hostility arises from the idea that if in fact these are airliners you filmed, you would most likely have known that and thus be perpetrating a fraud.

Originally posted by lagos
I think the majority of the hostility arises from the idea that if in fact these are airliners you filmed, you would most likely have known that and thus be perpetrating a fraud.

i dont see any airliner making the moves the crafts in the video did. hovering in the same spot for instance is not something you see a airliner do everyday LOL