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Originally posted by Retseh
Reality overcomes conservative loathing.
Almost the answer, it should read "Political dogma at the expense of public safety".
Your CHAVs are there to stay, remember to follow Home Office advice and jump up and down when they come in through your bedroom window at 2am.
The report includes data from the period April 2005 to March 2006.
Since peaking in 1995, BCS crime has fallen by 44%, representing 8.4 million fewer crimes, with domestic burglary and vehicle crime falling by over a half (59% and 60% respectively) and violent crime falling by 43% during this period.
On the recorded crime side, both domestic burglary and theft of and from vehicles have continued to fall over the same period.
Originally posted by ubermuncheIt’s kind of disingenuous of you to portray all people who speak out against this in such a way, it’s also callous, are you really not bothered about all these decent people who are now vulnerable and fearful, somehow do their rights matter less that their concerns can be dismissed so easily without the slightest actual effort to investigate what they say.
Originally posted by Spuggy
Well, I travell extensively around England, and I've travelled extensively globally and compared to most of the other "affluent" European countries, England is a haven of prosperity and peace. You'll find far more violence, poverty, crime and general unpleasantness in france, Spain, Portugal... Germanys pretty peachy but we've got it a hell of a lot better.
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
- UM I'm not denying there are anti-social people around and considering I am more than happy to post crime stats I can hardly be said to be denying the current level of criminality either.
I am merely asking for some perspective.
It's easy to dismiss the crime stats as being a poor reflection or flawed or whatever but they are the same ones used for everybody and it's still the case that the numbers have fallen dramatically in the last ten years.
But it does strike me as somewhat belated and out of place to hear these problems spoken about as if they are (a) something new and (b) the end of the world.
Neither approach IMO is a useful, honest or productive one.
[edit on 11-2-2007 by sminkeypinkey]
Maybe it's having grown up in a really hostile, vicious and frequently murderous hell-hole (that was Northern Ireland in the 1970's) that leaves me a lot less agitated about this stuff.
Originally posted by ubermunche
Smikey- firstly sorry that quote from me you posted looked like a personalised judgement against you, it was a general comment not directed at any one person apologies and no offence intended.
You may have hit the nail on the head, it could be you're tolerance is set higher than the average person, and I know what a hell hole it could be because I had family who served out there in the seventies and spared no details in telling us what went on.
Yeah I know how rough the Elephant and Castle can be I've got friends from there who now live here but they're saying exactly the same things as me, so it's not about waiting for both areas to become comparative it's about tackling the problems here and there now so they don't get any worse and start to become better.
It's not hysteria to say people are frightened, it's not hysteria to remark that the actions of a nasty minority are directly impacting the lives, rights and freedoms of the majority.
Just on a purely superficial, aesthetic note, why do all these hoodies and chavs dress for s**t.........or am I just an old git.