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Another Call for a North American Union

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posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 09:14 AM
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We have yet another "calling" for the formation of the North American Union in order to "fix" our nations immigration problems. Not only is this a means of fixing immigration problems, it's also our "responsibility" and "obligation" to bring Mexico's standards of living up to an equal level with the United States and Canada.
 



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According to Princeton University sociologist Douglas Massey, director of the Mexican Migration Project, the way for America to solve its immigration problem is for the U.S. and Canadian governments to pay for Mexico's infrastructure and "social projects" — leading to an eventual North American Union.

According to Luisa Fernanda Montero, who reported the story for Terra.com, Douglas Massey, director for the Mexican Migration Project, stated that not only was the United States' immigration policy "negative and counterproductive," but also that Canada and the United States have a financial obligation to build up Mexico itself.

Even as elites from the three nations have met away from the media spotlight to plan out the next step of developing NAFTA, so-called "conservatives" insult, belittle, and accuse concerned Americans of peddling "conspiracies theories" about the North American Union.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


I cannot believe that a Director at Princeton would willingly acknowledge that we have a "financial obligation" to build up Mexico. There's been a lot of talk about the formation of the N.A.U. here on ATS, of which I'm certain there are differentiating views, but the formation of the N.A.U., IMHO, is a treasonous act.

As noted in this article, people that feel strongly against, or just speak against the formation of the North American Union, are constantly labeled as nut jobs, simply because this act of treason is not covered by the media, nor is it announced to the general populous.




I've included the original article, of which is in Espanol, if anyone can read/translate it for us.

Related News Links:
www.terra.com

Related AboveTopSecret.com Discussion Threads:
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posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 09:45 AM
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Find out whose sponsoring or financing this professor and you'll find out why he's calling for a North American Union. I guess that that will be hard to find out though, but we have to follow the money trail at all times.



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 09:53 AM
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role on the day of the north american union, and the fact that there will be a useless piece of paper called the bill of rights, and the constitution.

thats really one of the biggest motives for this union, and the quicker it comes the better for the nwo.

does he know how much money it would take to build up mexico, to a level that is comparable with usa and canada it terms of living standards. like in europe when the eu came in, they built up countries like portugal and ireland to bring about a leveling, but i would guess the gap between usa and mexico are bigger, are they not than even the gaps that were in europe, before the eu.

its good we have someone from princeton coming out, and giving an official line to the nau, gives some of the stuff on this board some credibility.

[edit on 1-2-2007 by andy1033]



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by andy1033
role on the day of the north american union, and the fact that there will be a useless piece of paper called the bill of rights, and the constitution.

thats really one of the biggest motives for this union, and the quicker it comes the better for the nwo.

You're correct, the N.A.U. is a step for the New World Order. The formation of the N.A.U. will have a new "constitution" of which will actually take away a lot of the freedoms we possess now. Especially, taking away our right to keep and bear arms, of which would make it impossible to protect the remaining freedoms.

However, I wonder if Bush considered the fact that by making his alleged statement of "The Constitution is but a damn piece of paper", he actually made each and every single law in the United States null and void? If in fact this is what he said (I have no proof of the quote from Bush), him saying the Constitution wasn't worth it's weight in toilet water, simply because it's a piece of paper, that means every other law that is written on paper (umm.. that would be all of them) are not worth their weight in toilet water, as well. Every single law that he and every other president have "signed", are but a damn piece of paper as well.


Originally posted by andy1033
does he know how much money it would take to build up mexico, to a level that is comparable with usa and canada it terms of living standards. like in europe when the eu came in, they built up countries like portugal and ireland to bring about a leveling, but i would guess the gap between usa and mexico are bigger, are they not than even the gaps that were in europe, before the eu.

Of course they (Bush, the Council on Foreign Relations, and members of Congress) understand what it's going to cost. That's why they introduced S.3622, the North American Investment Fund Act. That bill will force every American and Canadian citizen to have a portion of their tax dollars spent to accomplish "building" up Mexico. Read the Bill here: S.3622.


Originally posted by andy1033
its good we have someone from princeton coming out, and giving an official line to the nau, gives some of the stuff on this board some credibility.

I think there's plenty of credibility expressed by just about anyone that discusses the formation of the N.A.U. It's not being widely discussed in the faces of the general populous, because they don't want an uproar by the people, which would essentially put a halt to what they are trying to accomplish.

[edit on 2/1/2007 by Infoholic]



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 11:04 AM
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Ma n you guys are hilarious, take away our rights and freedoms. Far from it guys. I have been calling for a North American Union myself. FYI private corporations are what ring up the standards of living in most countries, not the government themselves. The government issues the ordnance, building codes, permits, and health codes, and the corporations bring them all up to par with their investments.

This wil be better for everyone. FYI, A New World Order would be to the benefit of humanity, not its detriment. You guys always talk about slavery and dictatorship as a result of the NWO, but thats always just your natural fear of change talking. The problem is you guys have lived your whole lives thinking that the world will not change from what it was. Well now it is changing, and you need to just abandon your fears and embrace it for the benefits it will have.



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 11:11 AM
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Infoholic, its the only real way to get rid of those pieces of paper as bush would say. just wonder how long before usa citizans notice its gone.



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 11:17 AM
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An odd thing happened this morning. I went to the spp.gov website last week. It's the official government website for the NAU info and policies. It talked extensively about how the U.S. will create a special fund for Mexico and that we need to build up Mexico's economy and infrastructure. Now I went back there this a.m., it's totally gone, no mention whatsoever of giving away $$ to Mexico.

Anyone else have that experience or know anything about it? I'm imagining that they got alot of complaints and so took that info out.



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 11:28 AM
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Really now!

Don't you all know that it's Mr. Harper leading the way on this. We here in Canada are just giddy in anticipation to have the US and Mexico meld into our national fabric. Don't you all realise you be better off under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms?

I for one am looking forward to seeing Canada's population boom to over 430 millions from 32M.



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by DYepes
Ma n you guys are hilarious, take away our rights and freedoms. Far from it guys. I have been calling for a North American Union myself. FYI private corporations are what ring up the standards of living in most countries, not the government themselves. The government issues the ordnance, building codes, permits, and health codes, and the corporations bring them all up to par with their investments.

This wil be better for everyone. FYI, A New World Order would be to the benefit of humanity, not its detriment. You guys always talk about slavery and dictatorship as a result of the NWO, but thats always just your natural fear of change talking. The problem is you guys have lived your whole lives thinking that the world will not change from what it was. Well now it is changing, and you need to just abandon your fears and embrace it for the benefits it will have.

:shk:
I've got nothing to say. I'm flabbergasted by your ignorance towards what the N.A.U. is going to do to our current Constitution and Bill of Rights. Spoken like a true anti-American.


Originally posted by andy1033
Infoholic, its the only real way to get rid of those pieces of paper as bush would say. just wonder how long before usa citizans notice its gone.

I'm having a hard time determining what side of the fence you stand on. I understand that Bush allegedly said the Constitution was just a damn piece of paper, but what does that do to any law that is in place now?

I disagree with the formation of the N.A.U., period. I am not willing to throw away the Constitution, of which countless American lives have been lost in order to protect it. Everyone in any governmental seat, and as well the military, have take an oath to uphold and protect the Constitution, not find ways to tear it down.

The Constitution is not gone. As long as the basic principles of what America was founded on are still alive, America will live on, and the N.A.U. will not come to be. But that would take the step of American citizens pulling their heads out of their hind quarters and doing something about it... for instance something like this: Petition to Protect the Constitution


Originally posted by forestlady
An odd thing happened this morning. I went to the spp.gov website last week. It's the official government website for the NAU info and policies. It talked extensively about how the U.S. will create a special fund for Mexico and that we need to build up Mexico's economy and infrastructure. Now I went back there this a.m., it's totally gone, no mention whatsoever of giving away $$ to Mexico.

Anyone else have that experience or know anything about it? I'm imagining that they got alot of complaints and so took that info out.

Read up on this bill: S. 3622 - North American Investment Fund Act

Not too many American citizens are really happy about having to pay taxes that will be used to form the N.A.U. If they publicly announce that you are going to be funding this "partnership", and you take into consideration all the taxes we pay already... who's going to keep quiet about it?

IMO, that's why they took it off. I did see the same thing you mentioned, and I did in fact write to them. I'm not saying I myself carry much weight, but I'm also willing to bet I wasn't the only one to voice my opinion.



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 11:46 AM
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originally posted by palg1
Really now!

Don't you all know that it's Mr. Harper leading the way on this. We here in Canada are just giddy in anticipation to have the US and Mexico meld into our national fabric. Don't you all realise you be better off under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms?

I for one am looking forward to seeing Canada's population boom to over 430 millions from 32M.

The N.A.U. won't be following the Canadian Charter. The N.A.U. won't be following the U.S. Constitution. The N.A.U. won't be following the Mexican whatever.

A new "harmonized" constitution will be used.

Here's what the New States Constitution will be.
www.sweetliberty.org...



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 12:30 PM
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Who wrote that? It is a powerful document, although there are some provisions that I am not in favor of (no right to bear arms).

Someone has obviously been planning for the NAU in more depth and detail than we've been aware of.



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by DYepes
Ma n you guys are hilarious, take away our rights and freedoms. Far from it guys. I have been calling for a North American Union myself. FYI private corporations are what ring up the standards of living in most countries, not the government themselves. The government issues the ordnance, building codes, permits, and health codes, and the corporations bring them all up to par with their investments.

This wil be better for everyone. FYI, A New World Order would be to the benefit of humanity, not its detriment. You guys always talk about slavery and dictatorship as a result of the NWO, but thats always just your natural fear of change talking. The problem is you guys have lived your whole lives thinking that the world will not change from what it was. Well now it is changing, and you need to just abandon your fears and embrace it for the benefits it will have.
That kool-aid your drinking sure is sweet, you might want to lay off the sugar Mate. Before we can justify our continuing habit of giving Billions and Billions of dollars worth of aid and military hardware to countries such as Israel,Iraq,Africa,Mexico etc.etc. we need to worry about helping America and it's people . I can think of several things off the top of my head that would be better than giving money for a NAU...free health/dental care,eliminate the national debt, fixing our homeless problem.


[edit on 01/31/07 by catchphraseneeded]



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 12:57 PM
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Steps to a World Government

1. Get area countries to goin alliances

2. Get area countries to goin Union

A. Europeon Union (Check)

B. North American Union (Getting closer)

C. South American Union (Getting real close)

D. Eastern Europe & Asia Union (Close after fall of USSR)

3. Get these Unions to going a World Government

A. Each Union has two senators

B. Each Country now acts as a state and sends Congressmen, number varietary to ther size.

C. Vote world wide for President after plugging your chip into the computer and voting.



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211
Who wrote that? It is a powerful document, although there are some provisions that I am not in favor of (no right to bear arms).

Someone has obviously been planning for the NAU in more depth and detail than we've been aware of.

The information about who and how put together the New States Constitution is described in the 2nd section, just above the preamble. You can easily look up information about the person that wrote it, how it was financed, and how long it's been worked on.


Originally posted by catchphraseneeded
I can think of several things off the top of my head that would be better than giving money for a NAU...free health/dental care,eliminate the national debt, fixing our homeless problem.

That is a very good point.



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by Infoholic
We have yet another "calling" for the formation of the North American Union in order to "fix" our nations immigration problems. Not only is this a means of fixing immigration problems, it's also our "responsibility" and "obligation" to bring Mexico's standards of living up to an equal level with the United States and Canada.


okay i have a question for you. since when was usa and canada "responsible" for mexico? both countries worked long and hard to be where they are today. we dont owe mexico ANYTHING. mexico owes it to ITSELF to get into shape and make a living on its own!

if anything mexico owes us an apology for invading our country illegally and stealing millions from the average taxpayer, thus, creating problems within america.

[edit on 1-2-2007 by conspiracymaster]



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by conspiracymaster
okay i have a question for you. since when was usa and canada "responsible" for mexico? both countries worked long and hard to be where they are today. we dont owe mexico ANYTHING. mexico owes it to ITSELF to get into shape and make a living on its own!

if anything mexico owes us an apology for invading our country illegally and stealing millions from the average taxpayer, thus, creating problems within america.


That's a very good question. You should have heard me "pop" when I first read the article.

We owe everyone in this world two things...

1. Jack
2. $hit

Just like catchphraseneeded said, we need to focus on our homeland, on the things that American needs.



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 06:00 PM
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Oh I am sick and tired of hearing this "we need to help Americans first" bulljive. Some of the poorest people in america still live better than as much as 50% of the worlds population.

Its time you national supremesists stop thinking about oneself and consider the world at large, because we are part of the world. Start thinking of yourself as a global citizen.

If the constitution dissapears tomorrow, it does not mean that the population of America will all of a sudden say "oh hey there is no such thing as equal rights, the right to free speech, or any of that crap". The people ultimately decide what goes into anything their country is goign to change into. You alarmists are the same ones who were terrified when America was first fighting the British for independance, and thought about tha travesty of disobeying the King.

The world is changing, get with it. Stop being afraid. If you want to remain unchanged, take up your arms and fight, and then get struck down by the majority of us who would not mind the change.



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by DYepes
Oh I am sick and tired of hearing this "we need to help Americans first" bulljive. Some of the poorest people in america still live better than as much as 50% of the worlds population.

Its time you national supremesists stop thinking about oneself and consider the world at large, because we are part of the world. Start thinking of yourself as a global citizen.

Can you explain to me exactly where, or how, the United States populous is "required" to help other nations? Can you explain to me how you can force one nation's populous to "assist" building another nation? Does that or does that not go against "voluntary" means?


Originally posted by DYepes
If the constitution dissapears tomorrow, it does not mean that the population of America will all of a sudden say "oh hey there is no such thing as equal rights, the right to free speech, or any of that crap". The people ultimately decide what goes into anything their country is goign to change into. You alarmists are the same ones who were terrified when America was first fighting the British for independance, and thought about tha travesty of disobeying the King.

Can you reword this paragraph. You make no sense. 1st, we're afraid of change, then we're the ones that stood up to the king. Which is it?


Originally posted by DYepes
The world is changing, get with it. Stop being afraid. If you want to remain unchanged, take up your arms and fight, and then get struck down by the majority of us who would not mind the change.


Which branch/subsidiary of the government do you work for? CIA? FBI? DHS? IRS?

You are way way way out in left field, DYepes. The majority that you refer to are going to be just like it was 200+ years ago. We, the majority, will fight the "king" again, to defend the nation "we" founded. To defend the freedoms, rights, and liberties that we have lost countless lives to form and protect.

We're not scared. We are pissed.


Even more so... We are patriotic!

[edit on 2/1/2007 by Infoholic]



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 06:32 PM
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I think that all those who try to push this, trying to destroy a country sovergnity, should go to jail for high treason. Because it's what it is. Trying to destroy the sovergnity, constitution, borders and facilitate the invasion of the country. If some FBI agents would have guts, they would march on Washington with thousands if not millions of protesters, arrests those who participated in that, and put them in jail.

No, i'm not joking.



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by Infoholic

Originally posted by DYepes
If the constitution dissapears tomorrow, it does not mean that the population of America will all of a sudden say "oh hey there is no such thing as equal rights, the right to free speech, or any of that crap". The people ultimately decide what goes into anything their country is goign to change into. You alarmists are the same ones who were terrified when America was first fighting the British for independance, and thought about tha travesty of disobeying the King.

Can you reword this paragraph. You make no sense. 1st, we're afraid of change, then we're the ones that stood up to the king. Which is it?


He did'nt say you were the ones fighting for independance, he is
comparing you with those who did'nt want to split from England.




As for myself, I approve of an NAU, as long as it's free and demo-
cratic. though I would prefer freedom is considered more important
than democracy.

In the end, no on knows what the NAU (or whatever it ens up being
called) will really be like, simply because it does not exist, and you
can not predict sociopolitical trends at the time.

There are some people, like the majority of people here, that think
it will be som horrible evil thing, but the truth is, you don't know that,
no on knows that, rgardless of what some conspiracy theorists (and
I say that in the bad, not good way) with some legal training says.


In reality Unions like this, and evenutally a world government are
inevitable part of living in a world that is as interconnected as it is
now.

People don't care as much if your British, or German or Canadian,
what matters is the individual.


And as for this being treason, well nowhere in the constiution does
it say that the Union can not be dissolved.
What's treason is being close-minded an isolationist and hurting
America by staying isolated while the rest of the world becomes
economies grow due to cooperation and unions, while your own
fails because of such isolationist views.

[edit on 2/1/2007 by iori_komei]




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