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It's Official - Chavez Is Now A Dictator

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posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 03:11 AM
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President Hugo Chavez was transformed into Dictator Hugo Chavez on Wednesday, when the Venezuelan Congress voted to give him power to enact laws by decree. The enabling legislation was a foregone conclusion since all members of the Congress are loyal to Chavez. Thousands of people are fleeing Venezuela while there is still time to get out.
 



www.newsmax.com
CARACAS, Venezuela -- A Congress wholly loyal to President Hugo Chavez met at a downtown plaza Wednesday to give the Venezuelan leader authority to enact sweeping measures by presidential decree.

Hundreds of Chavez supporters wearing red - the color of Venezuela's ruling party - gathered in the plaza, waving signs reading "Socialism is democracy!" as lawmakers read out the proposed bill giving the president special powers for 18 months to transform 11 broadly defined areas, including the economy, energy and defense.

"The people of Venezuela, not just the National Assembly, are giving this enabling power to the president of the republic," said congresswoman Iris Varela, addressing the crowd next to the National Assembly.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


So up springs another dictatorship. This has been anticipated, and is no real surprise. Now the theft of private property will begin wholescale, since history has proven that these communistic regimes cannot survive on their own merits and must plunder private property and oppress freedom to exist.

We should thank Chavez for finally ending the debate over whether he is a legal leader or a common, petty dictator.

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[edit on 1-2-2007 by UM_Gazz]




posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 10:20 AM
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And Bush's declaration that it doesn't matter what Congress says - even if the house opposes his plans - because he's "the decision maker" is different from this in what way?



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 10:22 AM
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neformore, exactly. lol



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 10:26 AM
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I think their idealism are the same, as you two have pointed out. But the one thing that is different, is Bush doesn't have a law, or declaration from the U.S. Congress to give him sweeping powers. There is still a system of cheques and balances here in the U.S.

Bush might have a blank check for war in Iraq, but that's where his unchecked powers stop.



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by neformore
And Bush's declaration that it doesn't matter what Congress says - even if the house opposes his plans - because he's "the decision maker" is different from this in what way?

In every way that is meaningful and true. Bush never said he would change the laws, just that he wouldn't be bound by a non-binding referendum. Understand? Non-binding. In other words, an opinion poll.

Chavez, on the other hand, had the laws changed to allow him to become dictator. That is why thousands of productive citizens are now fleeing from Venezuela. It is reminiscent of the enslavement of Cuba by Castro.



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
In every way that is meaningful and true. Bush never said he would change the laws, just that he wouldn't be bound by a non-binding referendum. Understand? Non-binding. In other words, an opinion poll.


I see. So when Congress tells him he can't deploy extra troops in Iraq he will abide by that?

And when congress pulls the plug on funding for the Iraq misadventure, then he won't do anything about it?

He's not going to exercise any Presidential Veto at all?



Chavez, on the other hand, had the laws changed to allow him to become dictator. That is why thousands of productive citizens are now fleeing from Venezuela. It is reminiscent of the enslavement of Cuba by Castro.


Ack. Blind US politics at work here. What you mean is that both Castro and Chavez decided not to fall under the US sphere of influence and do things their own way, as such - by that definition alone - they are evil people.



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by neformore
And Bush's declaration ...


Clinton said 'I'll rule by executive order if I have to'.

Fact is that the people of Venezuela have invited the devil to dance with them. Chavez is a dictator. He's taking away everything, including free speech. *shudder* chilling!



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by neformore
I see. So when Congress tells him he can't deploy extra troops in Iraq he will abide by that?


Congress cannot tell the President, who, under the constitution, is the civilian commander in chief of the military, when and how to deploy US military force.


And when congress pulls the plug on funding for the Iraq misadventure, then he won't do anything about it?


This they can do, and there is very little he can do about it legally. Remember congressmen and women, at least in the House of Representatives, must answer to their constituents for their voting record. This works quite well in ensuring that the will of the masses is recognized. Any president enacting wildly unpopular policy, with the approval of congress, will soon be gone along with those in congress who enable him by ignoring the will of the majority of their constituents.


He's not going to exercise any Presidential Veto at all?


Any legislation passed by a 2/3's majority in "veto proof".

Disslike Bush all you want but you'll nefer succeed in placing the constitutionally elected and constitutionally constrained president of the United States in the same category as Chavez, Castro, etc.

Don't forget, Bush doesn't pass all the legislation everyone here panics about, Congress does.



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by neformore

Originally posted by jsobecky
In every way that is meaningful and true. Bush never said he would change the laws, just that he wouldn't be bound by a non-binding referendum. Understand? Non-binding. In other words, an opinion poll.


I see. So when Congress tells him he can't deploy extra troops in Iraq he will abide by that?

And when congress pulls the plug on funding for the Iraq misadventure, then he won't do anything about it?

He's not going to exercise any Presidential Veto at all?

He'll do what he thinks is right under the law. He won't change the laws, like Chavez did. This is the distinction that you fail to acknowledge.



Chavez, on the other hand, had the laws changed to allow him to become dictator. That is why thousands of productive citizens are now fleeing from Venezuela. It is reminiscent of the enslavement of Cuba by Castro.



Ack. Blind US politics at work here. What you mean is that both Castro and Chavez decided not to fall under the US sphere of influence and do things their own way, as such - by that definition alone - they are evil people.

What Chavez and Castro did was to rule by the twin prongs of oppression of the people and suppression of the laws of the land. They rule by fiat, not by laws.



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 07:14 PM
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I will be surprised if their economy doesn't start tanking soon.

People seem to love hard economic lessons too.



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by Regenmacher
I will be surprised if their economy doesn't start tanking soon.

People seem to love hard economic lessons too.

It's inevitable that the economy will tank. The problem is, the masses are uneducated, and easily bought for a few pesos. For a while, at least.

Another factor is the quality of their oil. It is not of the highest quality, and not all refineries can process it. He has a limited market.


ape

posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by neformore

Originally posted by jsobecky
In every way that is meaningful and true. Bush never said he would change the laws, just that he wouldn't be bound by a non-binding referendum. Understand? Non-binding. In other words, an opinion poll.


I see. So when Congress tells him he can't deploy extra troops in Iraq he will abide by that?

And when congress pulls the plug on funding for the Iraq misadventure, then he won't do anything about it?

He's not going to exercise any Presidential Veto at all?



Chavez, on the other hand, had the laws changed to allow him to become dictator. That is why thousands of productive citizens are now fleeing from Venezuela. It is reminiscent of the enslavement of Cuba by Castro.


Ack. Blind US politics at work here. What you mean is that both Castro and Chavez decided not to fall under the US sphere of influence and do things their own way, as such - by that definition alone - they are evil people.



whats funny about your statement is that it's very misinformed. first of all these politicians just confirmed a general that's planning to increase troops yet they scheme behind the scenes to cut funding? do you not see the ignorance in this? they are playing dirty politics and aware americans see this very clear.

[edit on 1-2-2007 by ape]



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
He's taking away everything, including free speech. *shudder* chilling!



Post a friggin link to support these claims, PLEASE!!



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
President Hugo Chavez was transformed into Dictator Hugo Chavez on Wednesday, when the Venezuelan Congress voted to give him power to enact laws by decree. The enabling legislation was a foregone conclusion since all members of the Congress are loyal to Chavez. Thousands of people are fleeing Venezuela while there is still time to get out.

[edit on 1-2-2007 by UM_Gazz]


This is an incredibly biased opening post. Do you have a link to support "thousands of people are fleeing Venezuela"?, or is that just your personal bias? Even NewsMax couldn't demonize this completely as this move has the will of the people behind it. I am so sick of people trash talking Chavez without posting a SINGLE credible link to back up their claims. PLEASE, post some info that proves Chavez is the devil everyone seems to make him out to be. Anyone??



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 04:51 PM
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Before calling him a dictator, we should see what he does with his power. And don't talk about RCTV, they were blackmailing him since 1999.



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 06:50 PM
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Hey if I manage to get an ability to rule by decree over here in Canada, it doesnt matter what I do with that power

At best I'll be a Father-knows-best type of dictator

The problem won't be what he will do with the power, the problem is that he HAS that power

Ruling by decree is the same thing Absolute Monarch had in Europe

Parliament? Sure keep talking guys, I don't give a crap
Referendum? No Hell of a way, I'll just put on a decree on that

We Should NEVER allow a . of state to obtain such power, Mussolini got it in a similar way



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 06:54 PM
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So what? Democracy sucks because the average joe is a moran. Hell, people voted for Bush twice, people believe Al-Qaeda made 9/11, people believe in angels, people believe in a lot of crap. The average joe is stupid, this is a fact.

So I see nothing wrong with a man in power that do good for his only people, at least until he kills opposition. But that's not what Chavez does, the private medias are owning 90% of the market. I don't think history ever had a good dictator... but Castro isn't that bad.

You think you have democracy in the US? Only the election of Ron Paul at the presidential post will prove me so.

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posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 06:58 PM
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Dictatorship is always fine until they start killing the opposition...

The problem is that when they Do start, there's no way to stop it

I agree democracy sucks but it's the least bad of the system right now (appart from a autocratic system with a personnal party that I would rule
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I now you are a very vocal opponent of the NWO, but it's exactly the kind of method they would use to obtain total power


Castro wasnt that bad, but I think you'll agree it's time for him to go?

And that's the problem, they won't Want to go...


[edit on 2-2-2007 by CanadianGlasnost]



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by LogansRun

Originally posted by jsobecky
President Hugo Chavez was transformed into Dictator Hugo Chavez on Wednesday, when the Venezuelan Congress voted to give him power to enact laws by decree. The enabling legislation was a foregone conclusion since all members of the Congress are loyal to Chavez. Thousands of people are fleeing Venezuela while there is still time to get out.

[edit on 1-2-2007 by UM_Gazz]


This is an incredibly biased opening post. Do you have a link to support "thousands of people are fleeing Venezuela"?, or is that just your personal bias? Even NewsMax couldn't demonize this completely as this move has the will of the people behind it. I am so sick of people trash talking Chavez without posting a SINGLE credible link to back up their claims. PLEASE, post some info that proves Chavez is the devil everyone seems to make him out to be. Anyone??



Of course I do. Thank you for asking. It was actually posted in the OP under "Related News Links" but I realize that people often jump to conclusions without doing their own requisite research. Some often jump off at the mere title.

Thousands Fleeing Hugo Chavez's Venezuela

Next time, please read before you jump.



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 08:17 PM
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But we could make a report also saying thousands are fleeing dictatorship of america. When Bush passed the military comission act and all those crappy laws, a lot of people moved out of the US, and a lot consider doing it if things don't arrange after 2008.




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