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Originally posted by jjpassow
I am sick and tired of the BS life that we live as so called americans. It is time for our revolution. Are you scared? I am.... I want to be at peace with the global society. I wany the US to be a source of peace with humanity. We are headed towards things where we may not be able to return. I am scared of our future. World War 3 is at hand. How do we stop those who lead us and dont care about us.
Originally posted by Johnmike
So WHAT exactly will this do to hinder our freedoms?
Supporters claim it is not a national ID because it is voluntary. However, any state that opts out will automatically make non-persons out of its citizens. The citizens of that state will be unable to have any dealings with the federal government because their ID will not be accepted. They will not be able to fly or to take a train. In essence, in the eyes of the federal government they will cease to exist. It is absurd to call this voluntary.
Originally posted by Funkydung
Is there anybody here that is going to accept this I.D. card? if so why? if not why? i am preparing myself and my son who is 10 years old for the life without this card. no buying or selling without it. its a scary thing to think about but i really dont think i can take this card and live with myself knowing the things i know about our planet and the way things are heading. having said that i just want to hear what your thoughts are on this after you see this video.
[edit on 31-1-2007 by Funkydung]
Originally posted by Long Lance
it's already happeneing, electronic surveillance records your every move even if they currently deny it and when things get though, they will have plenty of ammunition against everyone.
remember, with millions of bogus laws, EVERYONE is a criminal. supplements get banned, everyday life regulated, sooner or later they will put your ass in ahck for growing parsely and chive on your window sill. think it can't happen?
It has happened already, you just don't want to open your eyes.
Originally posted by cuda
Niether me or any members of my family will accept having to get this card. I can't wait to see the reaction from the Christians who follow the bible. If you have ever heard of Jack Van Imp, he is always talking about the mark of the beast in the hand or head. Im not religious but if he can convince the christians not to accept the card it will never work. I've heard in the UK they are already trying to get everyone on a national ID card but they are resisting. I've also heard that if only about 3% of Americans resist the card, the program will fail. I can't wait to see what happens.
Originally posted by philosopher king
Hi All at ATS!
I'm in the UK, and I think this whole ID card business is a total disgrace. I can see no practical function whatsoever for the card in securing the country or fighting "terror" etc. I am convinced this has a lot moire to do with monitoring populations and the "markets" that they see us as.
I'm really not happy about it, but I'm not sure we are going to have any choice but to accept them. I guess in the US it is still possible to go off the net, as it were, and become something of a Survivalist and go on without the cards, but we just don't have the wilderness or natural resources in most of the UK to pull this off. Not sure that I would want to either, to be honest.
Originally posted by philosopher king
That's why I'm puzzled about the justification for ID cards at all. I am interested in knowing if and what civil rights people in your country said about the introduction of the cards and if there is any continuing dissent towards them. What positive effects have they had?
As for illegal immigrants, I think ID cards would not necessarily stop them coming into the country, as UK immigration is already fairly militant, but would certainly make their lives that much more hellish, and I don;t want to see starving families on the streets, illegal or not.