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It's Official: Chavez is a Dictator!

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posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 03:10 PM
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FOXNEWS | CARACAS, Venezuela — A congress wholly loyal to President Hugo Chavez approved a law Wednesday granting the Venezuelan leader authority to enact sweeping measures by presidential decree.

Meeting at a downtown plaza in a session that resembled a political rally, lawmakers unanimously approved all four articles of the law by a show of hands.

"Long live the sovereign people! Long live President Hugo Chavez! Long live socialism!" said National Assembly President Cilia Flores as she proclaimed the law approved. "Fatherland, socialism or death! We will prevail!"

Chavez, who is beginning a fresh six-year term, says the legislation will be the start of a new era of "maximum revolution" during which he will consolidate Venezuela's transformation into a socialist society. His critics, however, are calling it a radical lurch toward authoritarianism by a leader with unchecked power.

Hundreds of Chavez supporters wearing red — the color of Venezuela's ruling party — gathered in the plaza, waving signs reading "Socialism is democracy" as lawmakers read out passages of the law giving Chavez special powers for 18 months to transform 11 broadly defined areas, including the economy, energy and defense.

SOURCE | FOXNEWS



Here we go... now he and his buddies in Tehran are gonna start being stoopid. They have already made a sort of "America Sux" Club... wonder what 'ol Hugo is planning to do during the first 100 days of his new dictatorship...?




posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 05:08 PM
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Well its unofficial....Geroge W. Bush is America's dictator.
I cant really see how Chavez is any worse than the empty suit that roams the White House.



posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 05:28 PM
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No, Chavez is not a dictator, he said all the things he would do then he got elected by 63%.
Watch this video if you want to find out more about Chavez

THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED

The forming of opinions without real knowledge, only based on Fox News is a very bad thing - it is the cause for all the wars. Better informed people = better society


Look Bush wants "fast track authority" you can call him a dictator:


"If approved by the Senate, the bill would give Bush the authority to negotiate deals like the Free Trade Area of the Americas without allowing Congress to revise the deal."



posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 05:45 PM
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nah, just admit it! if bush was a socialist youd all be loving him! I really cant believe there are people ignorant enough to believe that socialism produces anything more than widespread poverty. Socialiosm doesnt work! unless you want to be poor and work for 3 cents an hour.



posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 05:52 PM
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Yes Chavez is a socialist, no he is not a dictator. People live better in Venezuela since Chavez, that is why they voted for him
No I would not support Bush if he were socialist and still did the things he does now. Socialism is not dictature always. Capitalism is not always democracy



posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 05:57 PM
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Fast track authority to negotiate international treaties is totally uncomparable to Chavez's new ability to decree laws all by himself. Basically their legislature has given all of their powers to him. He is, by definition, now a dictator since his word is law.



posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 06:03 PM
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Chavez has the support of his people, what he does now is included in their constitution. When he will kill or jail his opponents, stop the free press, and cancel ellections, then I will call him a dictator

Have you watched the movie from my post above ? It is a lesson in history even if you don't like Chavez, the coup agains him starts at min 15
You will see there what controlled mass media can do - controlled by the ones who execute the coup against Chavez

[edit on 31-1-2007 by pai mei]

[edit on 31-1-2007 by pai mei]



posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by pai mei
Chavez has the support of his people, what he does now is included in their constitution. When he will kill or jail his opponents, stop the free press, and cancel ellections, then I will call him a dictator

Have you watched the movie from my post above ? It is a lesson in history even if you don't like Chavez, the coup agains him starts at min 15
You will see there what controlled mass media can do - controlled by the ones who execute the coup against Chavez

[edit on 31-1-2007 by pai mei]

[edit on 31-1-2007 by pai mei]


ever hear the saying, "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely?" ....

I think the venezuelans are fools.



posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 06:33 PM
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Because he did the stuff he said he would he's not a dictator?

Hell we should change the history book about Hitler then?

Don't give a damn about the public support, he is now a Dictator with immense power



posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 06:34 PM
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Well he can be anything he wants to as long as he provided for his people.

Is the peoples decisions if they want him or not, so if the people takes him out of power . . . that will be the peoples choice, bloody or peaceful as long as US is not involved.



posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Well he can be anything he wants to as long as he provided for his people.

Is the peoples decisions if they want him or not, so if the people takes him out of power . . . that will be the peoples choice, bloody or peaceful as long as US is not involved.


We could only hope marg, we could only hope. I hope we dont get involved in this potential bloodbath the venezeulans have enslaved themselves too.



posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 06:52 PM
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SphilesPhan, I have seen the protest against Chavez, so far they are still allow to demonstrate.

So the only way that the people will turn against him is if he starts forgetting about his peoples needs.

Like everything in life power is one of those things that corrupts people even with the best intentions at hart.



posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 07:28 PM
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I support his grab for a little more power. I am sure he will use it to strengthen his position against the huge influences being levelled against his country.



posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 08:01 PM
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The next 18 months will tell...his congress has granted him this authority for a 18 month period.

I wonder since he will not have to pass things through his congress for that period, will he just extend the powers himself, say at month 17...

And for the dictator argument...well he does fit the definition, at least one of them, and I used the more benign one at that...

Webster says-
"A ruler who is not restricted by a constitution, laws or any opposition"

Personally I think his next step will be "President for Life"...one has to wonder why a leader as popular as Chavez (Mr. 63%) would need to ask for this type of authority...a leader can be just as effective without the need for King for a day privileges.



posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by Black_Fox
Well its unofficial....Geroge W. Bush is America's dictator.
I cant really see how Chavez is any worse than the empty suit that roams the White House.


IMO your response is total BS, and an attempted deflection of this thread. The thread is in no way about GWB - period.

Whereas more than ample evidence has been presented here (and other threads) that chavez is on the path to dictatorship, while Bush has made none of these moves. And if you truly can't see any difference between the two leaders, I'll accept that as an admission of total blindness and a pathological inability to think or post anything on any subject without including a reference to Bush on your part.

Now, if you have anything to say about Chavez, lets hear it. Otherwise, how about checking out one of the (thousands of?) anti-Bush threads already started on ATS.

Thanks in advance.



[edit on 1/31/2007 by centurion1211]



posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 08:32 PM
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The ability to issue law by decree is literally the Dictatorial power, he's dictating laws. He literally has dictatorial powers. It doesn't really matter that he was elected, he's not going to ever step down from office now.


black_fox
Well its unofficial....Geroge W. Bush is America's dictator.

PTS is the place for political discussion like that, this is the ATS board, please stick to the topic.

[edit on 31-1-2007 by Nygdan]



posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 08:49 PM
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nah, just admit it! if bush was a socialist youd all be loving him! I really cant believe there are people ignorant enough to believe that socialism produces anything more than widespread poverty. Socialiosm doesnt work! unless you want to be poor and work for 3 cents an hour.

Sorry, but this show you know nothing about socialism. Canada, more Quebec, where I live is a melting pot of socialism and capitalism and it's working.

Why every socialist society failed in the past? Because it was started in poor countries. If the US would choose to be socialist and stop feeding his militaro-industrial complex, you would be able to have health care system for everyone and more education for everyone... Capitalism is helping those at the top and it's an urban legend that you can become rich overnight. Some have great ideas and become rich, but you can also do that in socialists countries.



posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 09:32 PM
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I saw the announcement on CNN. The newsreader looked somewhat embarrased when he stated "Chavez' plans include taxing the rich and increasing the nationalisation of the country's energy resources." It's the exact opposite of the USA and Britain at the moment.



posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 09:42 PM
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Regarding socialism, lets remember Norway is socialist and their energy resources are highly nationalised. The Norwegians are doing very well indeed.

Consider this link:

America's rags-to-riches dream an illusion: study

Correction: That link is dead, but see the post below for the full text.

It shows that in France and Germany--both more socialist than the USA and the UK--citizens have more chance of doing financially better than their parents did than citizens do in the USA/UK.



[edit on 31-1-2007 by rizla]



posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 09:45 PM
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Actually that link is no longer functional, but I found the text:




WASHINGTON (Reuters) - America may still think of itself as the land of opportunity, but the chances of living a rags-to-riches life are a lot lower than elsewhere in the world, according to a new study published on Wednesday.

The likelihood that a child born into a poor family will make it into the top five percent is just one percent, according to "Understanding Mobility in America," a study by economist Tom Hertz from American University.

By contrast, a child born rich had a 22 percent chance of being rich as an adult, he said.

"In other words, the chances of getting rich are about 20 times higher if you are born rich than if you are born in a low-income family," he told an audience at the Center for American Progress, a liberal think-tank sponsoring the work.

He also found the United States had one of the lowest levels of inter-generational mobility in the wealthy world, on a par with Britain but way behind most of Europe.

"Consider a rich and poor family in the United States and a similar pair of families in Denmark, and ask how much of the difference in the parents' incomes would be transmitted, on average, to their grandchildren," Hertz said.

"In the United States this would be 22 percent; in Denmark it would be two percent," he said.

The research was based on a panel of over 4,000 children, whose parents' income were observed in 1968, and whose income as adults was reviewed again in 1995, 1996, 1997 and 1999.

The survey did not include immigrants, who were not captured in the original data pool. Millions of immigrants work in the U.S, many illegally, earnings much higher salaries than they could get back home.

Several other experts invited to review his work endorsed the general findings, although they were reticent about accompanying policy recommendations.

"This debunks the myth of America as the land of opportunity, but it doesn't tell us what to do to fix it," said Bhashkar Mazumder, a senior economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland who has researched this field.

Recent studies have highlighted growing income inequality in the United States, but Americans remain highly optimistic about the odds for economic improvement in their own lifetime.

A survey for the New York Times last year found that 80 percent of those polled believed that it was possible to start out poor, work hard and become rich, compared with less than 60 percent back in 1983.

This contradiction, implying that while people think they are going to make it, the reality is very different, has been seized by critics of President Bush to pound the White House over tax cuts they say favor the rich.

Hertz examined channels transmitting income across generations and identified education as the single largest factor, explaining 30 percent of the income-correlation, in an argument to boost public access to universities.

Breaking the survey down by race spotlighted this as the next most powerful force to explain why the poor stay poor.

On average, 47 percent of poor families remain poor. But within this, 32 percent of whites stay poor while the figure for blacks is 63 percent.

It works the other way as well, with only 3 percent of blacks making it from the bottom quarter of the income ladder to the top quarter, versus 14 percent of whites.

"Part of the reason mobility is so low in America is that race still makes a difference in economic life," he said.




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