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posted on Jan, 30 2007 @ 10:41 PM
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from what I gather everybody who wanted to do an investigation was denied after the towers fell. granted, it could be dangerouse, but the best time for an investigation is as soon as possible after the incident!

the longer it takes for the investigation to happen the harder it is to find all the details. its really amazing to me how bush new right away that "osama did it" without even allowing an investigation on ground zero.

this leads me to believe bush is not trustworthy and his time is running out fast.

why could'nt there be an investigation? did the FBI even get access to ground zero at all??? what a shame.




posted on Jan, 30 2007 @ 11:33 PM
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Good point C-Master.The thing that irks me the most is how fast they got rid of all that scrap.The question that comes to my mind is,Is the gov. hiding something?Why no thorough investigation?



posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 01:04 AM
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Originally posted by crowpruitt
Good point C-Master.The thing that irks me the most is how fast they got rid of all that scrap.The question that comes to my mind is,Is the gov. hiding something?Why no thorough investigation?


same thing irks me. do you know if the fbi was alowed on scene?

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posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 01:07 AM
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There were investigations, and they showed that the towers fell because the steel was weakened, and the weight of the structure caused progressive collapse. We investigated the people that were on the planes, and found out that 19 were al-qaida agents who had been training on flight simulators.



posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 01:14 AM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
There were investigations, and they showed that the towers fell because the steel was weakened, and the weight of the structure caused progressive collapse. We investigated the people that were on the planes, and found out that 19 were al-qaida agents who had been training on flight simulators.


interesting. can you recall who made these investigations?



posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 09:40 PM
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So your sayin we knew all 19 were on flight simulators why didnt we watch when they would get a plane ticket. Also werent some of the people that helped hijack hte planes found alive in other parts of the world???



posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 10:25 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
There were investigations, and they showed that the towers fell because the steel was weakened, and the weight of the structure caused progressive collapse.


Actually, the FEMA and NIST reports were not investigations, per se, but more like research papers. An investigation would have included metallurgy studies of the actual materials that were alleged to have failed. The FEMA and NIST reports did not include any such data, only conclusions. Further, these agencies made no attempt to even simulate or reproduce similar failures. Their theories were just that -theories.

This would be equivalent to the DA in a murder case outlining his theory on who did it without ever testing the DNA in blood found at the scene. See the difference between an investigation and a theory?



Originally posted by Nygdan
We investigated the people that were on the planes, and found out that 19 were al-qaida agents who had been training on flight simulators.


Actually, the only "investigation" into the 19 alleged al-Qaeda terrorists was conducted by the FBI's PENTTBOM unit. The 9/11 Commission was not even permitted to interview the agents that were involved in the investigation.



posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 11:28 PM
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nick 7261 thanks for making some good points.

i knew that investigations were denied because i watched countless 9/11 videos and in all of them they show how nobody was allowed near the scene to investigate untill MONTHS after all the smoking gun evidence was taken away.



posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 11:34 PM
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Wasn't one truck driver hauling the steel from ground zero fired for stopping to get a bite to eat?If this is true someone wanted the evidence to go away quickly.



posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by crowpruitt
Wasn't one truck driver hauling the steel from ground zero fired for stopping to get a bite to eat?If this is true someone wanted the evidence to go away quickly.


i would not be suprized if that is true. they probably told him to keep his mouth shut about his job too.

[edit on 31-1-2007 by conspiracymaster]



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 01:28 AM
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Found it!This is a link to the truckdriver I said about above ,its from the 9/11 research site.Scroll down to where it says about "highly sensitive garbage."here



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 08:35 AM
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here is a little information


Some 185,101 tons of structural steel have been hauled away from Ground Zero. Most of the steel has been recycled as per the city's decision to swiftly send the wreckage to salvage yards in New Jersey. The city's hasty move has outraged many victims' families who believe the steel should have been examined more thoroughly. Last month, fire experts told Congress that about 80% of the steel was scrapped without being examined because investigators did not have the authority to preserve the wreckage.

The bulk of the steel was apparently shipped to China and India. The Chinese firm Baosteel purchased 50,000 tons at a rate of $120 per ton, compared to an average price of $160 paid by local mills in the previous year.

Mayor Bloomberg, a former engineering major, was not concerned about the destruction of the evidence

The pace of the steel's removal was very rapid, even in the first weeks after the attack. September 29, 130,000 tons of debris -- most of it apparently steel -- had been removed.

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GREAT FIND CROWPRUITT!!!

somebody please explain to me why 181 thousand tons of steel had to be removed so quickly and why CHINA of all places would want to buy the damaged steel??

i can tell you with 100 percent positivity something fishy happened on that day and "terrorist attack" story is a load of crap.

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posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 09:36 AM
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Just to add this to your thread. It actually belongs more in this thread anyway.


Originally posted by Griff
This is an interesting photo.



Why would they have cleaned the debris from WTC 7 before they "pulled" WTC 6 and demolished WTC 5? 5 & 6 could have contributed to the debris of 7. That means they would have had to clean that area twice instead of just once if they demolished 5 & 6 before cleaning 7. Also, why would they have cleaned up WTC 7's debris before WTC 1 and 2? 1 & 2 could have had survivors but they decide to clean WTC 7 first? BTW, no one was in 7 when it collapsed, so therefore the rescue mission couldn't be the answer. I'm stumped on that one.

Edit: I know people are going to say "well you can see that they are clearing WTC 1". My point is, why didn't they make sure that they cleared 1 & 2 (just in case of survivors) before even starting clearing 7? Is it because of the street? I wouldn't think so because the whole area wasn't accessible to begin with, so why the need for the road if no cars could drive on it anyway?

Edit 2: This photo is very telling to me that they wanted to get rid of the debris (evidence) from 7 even before fully trying to rescue people. How sad.

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posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 09:48 AM
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Nygdan, please review the following thread, which I titled What investigation?.
There is a video there that lays out the fact, and it is a fact, that there would have been no 911 commission were it not for the 'Jersey girls'.



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by 11Bravo
Nygdan, please review the following thread, which I titled What investigation?.
There is a video there that lays out the fact, and it is a fact, that there would have been no 911 commission were it not for the 'Jersey girls'.


your right. if the jersey girls didnt care there would be no investigation at all. i dont know why they dont just send dubya to jail already.



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 03:53 PM
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Griff, I agree that this is a very interesting photo.

When I was at ground zero a couple weeks after 9/11, I also thought it was very interesting how, not only did they have the entire area fenced off with military police guarding the gates, they also had the fencing covered with opaque plastic so you couldn't even see into the area.

There were only a couple of spots were the fencing was left unobstructed where you could view into the pile of debris. Even then, the military police tried to keep people from looking through the fencing at what was left of the buildings.

So why did they make clearing WTC7 a top priority? And more importantly, WHO made WTC7 a top priority?



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 04:34 PM
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The FBI did not take over the Pentagon area as a crime scene for 10 days. They stated it would take 30 days to do the crime scene, they turned the scene back over to the army 5 days later.


WASHINGTON, Sept. 24, 2001 -- The FBI assumed crime-scene jurisdiction at the Pentagon terrorist attack site Sept. 21 from the Arlington County (Va.) Fire Department, officials said.

FBI officials estimate the crime scene investigation would last about a month, Arlington Fire Chief Edward P. Plaugher said. He said he expects "additional remains will be discovered during the course of the FBI investigation" and mortuary specialists will remain on site to process them.



WASHINGTON, Sept. 26, 2001 -- The FBI handed over Pentagon crash site management to the Army Military District of Washington at 7 a.m. today.

The transfer of responsibility marks the end of the FBI's crime scene investigation following the Sept. 11 terrorist attack against the Pentagon. MDW will oversee ongoing security operations around the damaged area of the building. FBI investigators will move their operations to the Pentagon's north parking lot and continue to sift through debris for more evidence.




[edit on 1-2-2007 by ULTIMA1]



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 06:31 PM
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Text Last month, fire experts told Congress that about 80% of the steel was scrapped without being examined because investigators did not have the authority to preserve the wreckage.
Who did have the authority?



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by crowpruitt


Text Last month, fire experts told Congress that about 80% of the steel was scrapped without being examined because investigators did not have the authority to preserve the wreckage.
Who did have the authority?


So, the investigators themselves didn't have authority to save the steel? Good question. Who DID have the authority then?

And since the investigators themselves couldn't save the steel, how can people claim that there was a thourough investigation of the steel?

Also, could you source that quote please for verification? Thanks.



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 08:09 AM
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At the time everybody wanted to get rid of that stuff. It was a reminder, plus it had the essence of alot of pain and death in it. There was also alot of health concerns about the scrap. How many people died or are dieing because of all the asphalt and dust they breathed in that cemented their lungs?

Maybe that is what they were counting on though



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