Global Warming Debate Turns Ugly, page 1

posted on Jan, 30 2007 @ 08:23 PM

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Global warming alarmist's and researchers are finding themselves at odds over new evidence that suggests that there are natural warming events in the earth's past, researchers are growing more disgusted with the media's refusal to carry their message accurately.

www.dailytech.com
It's been a bad year for Global Warming Alarmists. Researchers are finding more and more evidence of natural warming events in the earth's past, events that were far more rapid and dramatic than first thought. Several scientists, disgusted with the media's refusal to carry their mesage accurately, have begun writing letters and books. Even the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which has long been the most vocal supporter of climate alarmism, has finished its Fourth Assessment report, which lowers worst case estimates sharply, and cuts in half long-term predictions for sea level rise. Evidence of the beneficial aspects of continues to mount, with arctic seal populations increasing, longer growing seasons, and less extreme temperature swings.

Is it any wonder environmentalists are getting even more emotional in the debate? In public, they state they simply want "truth to out," but the reality is a bit different. Recently, Weather Channel host Heidi Cullen made a strong bid to silence the opposition, calling for the removal of AMS certification for meteorologists who challenged the belief in catastrophic human-induced global warming. In it, she compared global warming denial to "going on air and saying that hurricanes rotate clockwise," apparently herself unaware that in the southern hemisphere hurricanes do indeed rotate in this direction. Cullen's statement immediately provoked outrage from meteorologists around the nation, with one of them angrily proclaiming, "I don't know a single meteorologist who buys into the man-made global warming hype."

Heidi Cullen gained earlier fame for hosting environmental writer David Roberts, who openly called for Nuremberg-style war crimes trials (complete with death sentences) for any scientist brave enough to dispute the public hysteria on global warming. How's that for support of scientific truth and free speech? In the past, reporters just hung up on scientists who didn't agree with their beliefs ... now they want to lynch them!

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

I realize that this may fly in the face of some Al Gore fans but maybe we aren't the cause of the climate change after all, if some of the evidence has been swept under the carpet, maybe banning all internal combustion engines is a bit hasty of a move. It's certainly not fair to have Nuremberg-style war crimes trials for those who disagree. I suspect that "The Weather Channel" have been a sounding board for the global warming alarmist's for some time now.

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www.abcnews.go.com

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manchurian_candidate

posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 07:29 AM

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you will never know the truth.GW is artificial and is caused by aliens and the sun is getting hotter,thats the main reason TBTB are doing fake propaganda cuz if the people know the truth there would be mass panic as a hotter sun is beyond human control
xeeatwelve.com...

this all has to do with the end times

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Britguy

posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 07:35 AM

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This is a feeling I have had for many years now. The current climate changes are a natural process, although we may have contributed to events, they are not something we can control and no amount of governmental wringing of hands and extra taxation is going to change the situation.

I cringe when I see the likes of Tony Blair telling us all to be more environment friendly and energy conscious then jets off again around the world. I sure wouldn't like to have TB's carbon footprint

grover

posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 07:42 AM

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Gee... it seems the only ones doubting whether global warming is a fact are the right wing and those scientists who have been bought by EXXON.

Since the majority of the environmental scientists WORLDWIDE, not just in America but WORLDWIDE... need I repeat that? WORLDWIDE, have been warning us about global warming and our impact on it for 15 years now, I seriously doubt it is some left wing conspiracy to take away our SUV's (not a bad idea if you ask me but that is another story)... so I will continue believing the scientists, not some oil lobbiest hack rewriting scientific papers in the White House.

brEaDITOR

posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 07:54 AM

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Gore presented a lot of data in his film "An Inconvenient Truth". As a scientist, I tend to agree with him.

apc

posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 07:57 AM

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In it, she compared global warming denial to "going on air and saying that hurricanes rotate clockwise," apparently herself unaware that in the southern hemisphere hurricanes do indeed rotate in this direction.

LOL! Ahh only the truely arrogant can fit clear up to knee.

grover, so what will you believe if/when more scientists go public with their position that Climate Change is not conclusively caused by humans? They're all bought and paid for conspirators?

Essan

posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 07:59 AM

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This is the problem with the climate debate - both sides (the 'catastrophists' and the 'deniers' ) exaggerate, misinterpret and ignore contrary evidence in order to get theoir message across.

making it increasing difficult for anyone who hasn't the time or inclination for a great deal of studying and research to have much idea of who or what to believe.

As an example of the confusion - there may well have been many occasions when climate changes have occurred very rapidly and with no assistance from human activity. It would be wrong to try and hide this fact. But it is also wrong to use this fact as evidence that current changes are not caused by human activity. Just as, if your were a coroner and presented with 10 dead bodies, 9 of which died from a knife wound, you should not assume the 10th also dies the same way .... Each case is different.

Edit: btw, I don't know any meteorologists who don't accept manmade global warming is happening, though they may not all buy into the more extreme hype

(And yes, I do personally know several professional meteorologists)

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Agit8dChop

posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 08:03 AM

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You only need to look at weather forecasts, and enviromental events to see beyond a doubt that the world isnt happy with what we are doing to it.

All the denyers out there , wait a while....
because regardless what we do NOW, we have messed the place up pretty badly.
And when it REALLY hits the fan, ill ask you then, again.. if you believe its true.

niteboy82

posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 08:09 AM

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Originally posted by apc

In it, she compared global warming denial to "going on air and saying that hurricanes rotate clockwise," apparently herself unaware that in the southern hemisphere hurricanes do indeed rotate in this direction.

LOL! Ahh only the truely arrogant can fit clear up to knee.

Actually, I thought that tropical systems in the Southern Hemisphere were commonly referred to as "Cyclones." Such as Catarina that hit Brazil, it was referred to as Cyclone Catarina. Either way, in a general way of speaking, since we call them Cyclones down there, and Typhoons in the far Pacific, I do not see why you would make such a big deal of this.

You do realize there have only been 3 confirmed South Atlantic cyclones, correct?

And I know at least one meteorologist who does indeed believe that man-made GW does exist.

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grover

posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 08:15 AM

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Originally posted by apc

In it, she compared global warming denial to "going on air and saying that hurricanes rotate clockwise," apparently herself unaware that in the southern hemisphere hurricanes do indeed rotate in this direction.

LOL! Ahh only the truely arrogant can fit clear up to knee.

grover, so what will you believe if/when more scientists go public with their position that Climate Change is not conclusively caused by humans? They're all bought and paid for conspirators?

For your information back in the early 90's when the global warming talk was just heating up

I was a doubter. I have read a lot on the subject by now, both pro and con (at least 80 books line my library on the subject) and I have come to the conclusion that the situation is far more complex than the sound bites make it and that there are certainly a lot of factors that contribute to it, but and it is a big BUTT

we certainly are one of those factors, and a key one at that... the planet might be going through a warming phase for example, but the green house gases that we are adding to the atmosphere, change a 1 or 2 degree increase in temp. worldwide to a 3 or 4 degree increase. That may not seem like a lot but it creates a snowball effect... Ice melts quicker and form slower, less ice means less light is reflected out into space, increasing temp... increasing the range of plant life towards the poles causing changes in the environment futher increasing temps and so on.

If Global Warming is proved to be false then it is false... but there is no increase like you claim of scientists coming out against it, as you suggest, but the exact opposite.

Be all that as it may such debates doesn't change the question which is; Do we contribute to global climate change, and if so to what degree and if so, what can we do about it, if anything?

Personally I believe that conservation and environmental protection should always be sound public and private policy.

BlueTriangle

posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 08:25 AM

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This is the main problem. Those who disagree with human activity being the cause of global warming are not allowed into the discussion. I heard a report just the other day that over 40,000 climate scientists worldwide had signed a statement saying that the "mainstream" view of global warming was incorrect.

The issue here is that there's lots of money in global warming. Hundreds of millions of dollars are passed around yearly and if the mainstream view goes away, the money stops.

thisguyrighthere

posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 08:28 AM

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Originally posted by BlueTriangle
This is the main problem. Those who disagree with human activity being the cause of global warming are not allowed into the discussion. I heard a report just the other day that over 40,000 climate scientists worldwide had signed a statement saying that the "mainstream" view of global warming was incorrect.

The issue here is that there's lots of money in global warming. Hundreds of millions of dollars are passed around yearly and if the mainstream view goes away, the money stops.

Didnt you know that any naysayers out there are being paid off by Exxon?
I just cashed my monthly check from them today!

That, or we're all tried and true facists. Everyones a facist. Its kinda neat.

the_sentinal

posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 08:29 AM

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Originally posted by grover

If Global Warming is proved to be false then it is false... but there is no increase like you claim of scientists coming out against it, as you suggest, but the exact opposite.

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So your saying that the report posted by DailyTech is false?

some of the accusations are pretty outrageous such as Dr. Heidi Cullen calling for the AMS certification of Meteorologist's who dont agree with global warming to be removed.

Perhaps more would speak out against the establishment if their credentials were not on the line?

grover

posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 08:50 AM

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There are fools and blowhards in every field and many who should never be near a microphone with their mouth open.

I can think of one presid... no that is another story.

It has been my experince that people who deny things based on religious beliefs or ideology are either fools or visionaries and they are rarely visionaries.

andy1033

posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 08:51 AM

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Originally posted by brEaDITOR
Gore presented a lot of data in his film "An Inconvenient Truth". As a scientist, I tend to agree with him.

how can you tell us about glabal climate change, and stats and not mention the sun. gore never mentions the sun once, in his film

Gatordone

posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 09:04 AM

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Originally posted by grover
Gee... it seems the only ones doubting whether global warming is a fact are the right wing and those scientists who have been bought by EXXON.

Grover, I know your squishy liberal insides never saw this coming but as usual the "sky is falling" crew has also been bought...

www.cnsnews.com.../Nation/archive/200701/NAT20070123a.html

Since the majority of the environmental scientists WORLDWIDE, not just in America but WORLDWIDE... need I repeat that? WORLDWIDE, have been warning us about global warming and our impact on it for 15 years now, "

What about just a few years before that when we were moving alarmingly into the next ice-age? We were told by the scientific authorities at the time to "cover the ice caps with soot to hold more heat here on Earth"
Scientists WORLDWIDE are clueless, WORLDWIDE!

...I seriously doubt it is some left wing conspiracy to take away our SUV's (not a bad idea if you ask me but that is another story)... so I will continue believing the scientists, not some oil lobbiest hack rewriting scientific papers in the White House.

That we both see a huge political conspiracy here, from opposite sides of the spectrum, is very interesting to me and I think reason enough to keep the *@! Government OUT of it!

I swear I'll never understand the Liberal mind. We can all sit down and actually WATCH airplanes fly into the towers and libs say no they didn't and wont believe it. But if you can get a doctor/scientist to say anything outlandish and completely unprovable they swallow it hook, line and sinker. Amazing!

loam

posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 09:05 AM

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Originally posted by the_sentinal
So your saying that the report posted by DailyTech is false?

Let's be clear. It's not a report, it's a BLOG posting.

Who is Michael Asher? What are his credentials?

To assert we have nothing to worry about because the IPCC has 'lowed' their estimates seems the height of misrepresentation to me.

Have you seen the early indications of what those 'lowered' estimates entail?

U.N. climate report will shock the world

Citing Heidi Cullen's agenda as a means to invalidate scientific agreement on this issue is hardly compelling. There are nutcases on both sides of the issue. What relevance do any of them have on the science of the matter?

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loam

posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 09:10 AM

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Originally posted by Gatordone
...Liberal mind...

So all scientists who are inclined to believe that man plays a prominent role in global climate change have liberal minds???

If that delusion comforts you, then so be it.

niteboy82

posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 09:29 AM

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Originally posted by Gatordone
understand the Liberal mind. We can all sit down and actually WATCH airplanes fly into the towers and libs say no they didn't and wont believe it. But if you can get a doctor/scientist to say anything outlandish and completely unprovable they swallow it hook, line and sinker. Amazing!

Oh yes, only liberals are concerned over global warning, and only liberals question the official line of 9/11.

What the hell is that? What does the liberal anything have to do with this blog on global warming as you are presenting it? And it isn't like only one doctor/scientist is talking about global warming, and I have absolutely no clue on how you can divide this by political party "lines".

Oh boy. The world really is in trouble.

Gatordone

posted on Jan, 31 2007 @ 09:51 AM

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Originally posted by loam
So all scientists who are inclined to believe that man plays a prominent role in global climate change have liberal minds???

It seems to me that all scientists who are inclined to believe that man plays a prominent role in global climate change also share the mindset that the government should strong arm the free citizens of the world into compliance because of "scientific consensus" which doesn't exist. There is no such thing as "scientific" consensus, is there? Unless you have a political agenda to support.

And who do the environmental whackos target? Business, capitolism, The western world- not the places that shouild matter the most to globalist, ie Brazilian Rainforests, India, China, Russia- places of communist/socialist bent.

If that delusion comforts you, then so be it.

You come to this conspiracy site with an "open mind" and see only what you want. As if the left were completely incapable of the fear tactics you've been trained to charge the right with.

How will we fix this GW Problem? The gov't will save us! A completely liberal point of view to shut down industry and ruin economies that have the unfair advantage of not being socialist in nature.