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Originally posted by LoneGunMan
Letting a foriegn governement have access to that prisoner was insane. This needs to be completely thrown out because of that fact.
Originally posted by TrueAmerican
When Mexicans start crossing the border with Ak-47's and killing everything in sight, I don't wanna hear it! Viva La Resistancia! Let's just nuke them and get it over with, jeez.
Originally posted by jsobecky
Ever hear of MS-13?
Composed of mostly Salvadorans and other Central Americans—many of them undocumented—the gang has a uniquely international profile, with an estimated 8,000 to 10,000 members in 33 states in the United States (out of more than 700,000 gang members overall), and tens of thousands more in Central America. It's considered the fastest-growing, most violent and least understood of the nation's street gangs—in part because U.S. law enforcement has not been watching as closely as it might have. As authorities have focused their attention on the war against terrorism, MS-13 has proliferated.
MS-13 got started in Los Angeles in the 1980s by Salvadorans fleeing a civil war. Many of the kids grew up surrounded by violence. Del Hendrixson of Bajito Onda, a gang-outreach program, remembers an MS-13 member who recounted one of his earliest memories: guarding the family's crops at the age of 4, armed with a machete, alone at night. When he and others reached the mean streets of the L.A. ghetto, Mexican gangs preyed on them. The newcomers' response: to band together in a mara, or "posse," composed of salvatruchas, or "street-tough Salvadorans" (the "13" is a gang number associated with southern California).
Over time, the gang's ranks grew, adding former paramilitaries with weapons training and a taste for atrocity. MS-13 eventually adopted a variety of rackets, from extortion to drug trafficking. When law enforcement cracked down and deported planeloads of members, the deportees quickly created MS-13 outposts in El Salvador and neighboring countries like Honduras and Guatemala.
Not sure exactly how you are tying this in, jso...They are mostly from El Salvador?
Originally posted by Shadowflux
Everyone, and I mean everyone, knows that when an officer of the law gives you a direct order you're following it one way or another.
Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Rivera picked up a rock, according to Judd, and cocked his arm to throw it from about 10 feet away.
The agent, a former Marine, says he killed Rivera with a single shot when he failed to answer commands to put the rock down.
"Assuming he had a stone, should you shoot somebody who picks up a stone?" asked Francisco Gaxiola, an attorney for the Mexican consulate. "If the witness statements are true, it was totally unjustified. There was no reason to shoot Rivera. He had his hands up. He was not threatening anybody."
Border agents got to be tough, no doubt. But if he already had three in the car, and this one picks up a rock, why didn't the agent blast him in the leg or try to shoot him in the right shoulder or something? Did he have to kill him? You tellin me the mexican guy is going to still try to throw a rock with a bullet hole in him, bleeding profusely? Somehow I doubt that.
These guys need to do their job under extreme circumstances, for sure. But the way that article presents it, it seems like excessive use of force to me. It'd be different if the illegals were ALL armed or something. But nuh uh. I feel he needs to be prosecuted, and least let this go to trial. Enforcement agents have to use extremely good judgement every day, and they are trained to do so. But maybe there is more to the story than is being published. And given that it is FoxNews, I have no doubt there probably is.
25 Dec 1940
Arizona premiere: 15 Nov 1940
5 Apr--27 Jul 1940 at Old Tucson Studios, Tucson, AZ