GT you said:
But he is!
you are much too gifted to not show appreciation to God for your talents
What better way to honor a God who exceeds Einstein, Spock, and all the current stars of astrophysicists than to refuse to be led
on any other path than thinking independently?! If God gave us each our minds and we each are unique, then forsaking our own talents/abilities and
novel ideas for the sake of ‘group think’ seems more like a slap in the face than giving god appreciation. Lip service is vain glory and is a
human social pretense. Pragmatic results which benefit all showcase the source without question and those that do not know if they can believe or do
not believe are not served any less and God is not any less appreciated. An atheist or agnostic does not appreciate God (nor do they have to because
that is false) but they do appreciate AND benefit from someone who capitalizes on what God gave them in order to benefit the religious, non religious,
and all sorts in between, alike...quietly and without credit either to self or to God. That’s all showy fluff and doesn’t change the outcome.
Pragmatism does not strive for appreciation. I think God is no doubt a pragmatist. Empirical not theoretical or philosophical.
You also said:
And why is that?
God has blessed us all with equal gifts, talents, and skills although many humans fail to recognize this because they ignore
Because we are told by religions that it is tantamount to eternal doom as ‘the devil’ to aspire to divinity which is the very reason we have our
special talents and unique abilities – we each are a part of God and yet within each of us we are God – and God DOES NOT see it as wrong to aspire
to His greatness…. We are tricked by religion into denying our God-given seeds of godliness and by practical application our seeds grow into what
they are meant to be. The more like God I can possibly become then surely God is propelled to even greater things by my success inspired by
Just like the song says ‘you know it would be untrue if I were to say to you girl we couldn’t get much higher…’ The DOOR….the way…think
about what you are told not to think about…and why…does it make sense or is holding you, God, and all of us back unnecessarily?
DefCon5, you said:
Grim good post, but its unfortunately flawed in some your understanding about certain religions.
Almost all religions follow the Golden rule, which is fundamentally what the 10 commandants of the Christian/Jewish bible are. The golden rule
of course being "do onto others as you would have done onto yourself". The Ten Commandments can be broken down even more simply to two commandments:
1) Love your neighbor as yourself 2) Love God above all. According to several religions, God wrote this law into peoples hearts when he created them,
thus the fact that we have a conscience.
Follow and honor with words are two different things…there is not one religion in this world that is so simple (and thus undeniably effective) as
following the golden rule….and even Christ said that wasn’t good enough. Christ said – when a little kid throws a rock at your face because you
are black and he is white and he hates you because you do not hate him or anyone else….what you are to do is to smile and not even flinch if you can
help it. Who did this?
One man. Martin Luther King. One of the few examples of Christ we’ve had in the 20th century. But his ‘religion’ was seen as a threat in
that day and age and so it was not permitted to bud….how many pure religions has man killed by assassinating the solitary bold activist who goes
beyond the golden rule?
And even those who work within (but not bound by) a religion, such as Mother Theresa…are not followed or emulated ..only honored in empty memorials
to person, face, or word….God might have written that law on everyone’s hearts, but not many people have been able to refrain from rewriting their
own right over it…..
Also, you said:
This is in no way repressive, and to be honest I would fear living in a world where this was not followed, such a world would be a hell on
That is a big source of confusion….most religions are waiting either to go someplace worse or have some worse situation (worse than the first half
of the 20th century) happen…how much hell do you want? It is not because of satan but because man falls for satan’s mask….and doesn’t see who
wears the mask.
To live an unrestricted carnal life is literally the premise of what Satanism is, the idea that you can do what you please, when, and how you
please, with no limits.
And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make ye free. You are carnal. You live in a fleshly body until it dies. Be honest and come to terms
with your humanity.
If you are talking specifically about the Satanism refined by Anton LeVey….then you obviously are judging satan’s mask instead of judging what the
nature of hypocrisy is.
We obviously all can do what we want, etc…and religion (christianity) is growing but so is over legislation…and thusly crime as well and more and
more criminals are made by people denying their own responsibility to self-govern.
I would also say that living a life with no limits is not generally healthy; if you look at the folks that have lived that type of lifestyle,
they tend to become insane.
Have you tried it? You can’t judge a lifestyle you haven’t lived so resolutely. What is insane? Being free of nonsensical restraints on mind
and soul? Being able to truly say ‘the sky is the limit’ like Einstein did…or Galileo…or Michaelangelo? Even Ghandi?
Prime examples of a particular era in history which pretty much had the same effect even on the Jewish roots of your religion
Antiochus IV Epiphanes, Nero, and Caligula being prime examples.
…I refer to the
Maccabees and the Herods…
Inbreeding was a big factor….but the key point is:
Power should never be granted to those that seek it.
The world thinks the answer is in some perfect ruler…even Christ denied being a ruler.
A LEADER is the only salvation for such a society
….a leader is one that takes old and young alike, by the hand, one by one, and leads them
across the freeways until they can cross safely by themselves. And i mean saving the world, not just a select favorite sort of part of the
inhabitants in the world. The world is ONE. So in Humanity. Just like God. All we need is ONE. One anything. K.I.S.S.
Such a leader would have the very mind of Christ – who is the Express Image of God. It’s not about ‘matching wits with God’ – there is
no ‘I’ in team!
Proverbs chapters 1 & 2 say that God wants us to enjoin in His wisdom – He wants to share – it is not a challenge but the greatest form of
adoration – seeking to be like the one you most admire. Also – to fear God is to have a barrier in approaching him (usually a non-clean
conscience) but fear in ancient Hebrew did not mean fear as fear or even as reverence…it meant more like ‘to receive the flow of God’s
knowledge’…the fear of the LORD is the fount of his wits…and perfect love cast out fear. What do you have to fear from God? Unless you oppose
Him and make him your adversary (who is wearing that mask you call Satan?)
I know...but do you? I see no mask and just ONE God...
God has an entirely different concept then us humans do of what is Right, Righteous, fair, and Just.
How do you know this? If Grim Reaper can’t, then neither can you. If he can, then you can, and I can as well.
I know we all can – but you say no – yet say you know. I do agree with you; it is your reasoning thereof that i find inherently separatist and
Until you can see things from Gods perspective, with his wisdom, and his intelligence you cannot apply your logic to him, regardless of how
intelligent you are.
But if you fear God you aren’t even near his big toe much less looking out his very eyes!
“I am not perfect, but I am foregiven”.
For what? Like Johnny Ringo and Doc Holliday? ‘For just being born?’ What have you done so wrong that God has condemned you? The book says
‘already condemned.’ Not more condemnation. You don’t need to be forgiven or perfect. Just loving and true.
I don’t see why anyone would agree that the 10 commandments are in anyway bad. First, they are a guideline as no man can truly follow them
anyway, second they teach the same golden rule all major religions teach.
Not remembering the Sabbath and keeping it holy. They are not bad or good but they do have a purpose. I’ve broken every one of them.
I've studied (at least in general) most all world religions. The ten commandments seem to be unique to judeo christianity. NO one keeps them before
breaking them. It is a tool not a legislation.
No if I killed a man I am sure I would feel terribly sorry for it and remorseful, I would pray about it, and I would accept that God forgave me
Would you? Are you sure? How soon after? Why would you kill him in the first place, then? Is your temper uncontrollable? Why would you kill a
person, do you suppose? To protect love? Life? Save another less deserving? Do you support the death penalty, at all? Why or why not?
As far as forgiveness...
Who would you need to forgive you?
The people left behind by the soul you dispatched, not God. Yourself, not God. God knows where every soul is and has vowed to not lose a single one.
God kills everybody!
(if you say He gives life then by default He takes it all, too - otherwise we would be physically immortal which is actually unnatural and
unnecessary, not to mention useless and ultimately worse than dying, if you can understand things beyond fear