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Originally posted by XBadger
It is impossible to comment intelligently on the lack of explosions in other phones without simply talking out of your ---. What of phone model did Cosgrove have? How were his family recording the call? What provider did he have? How well was his office insulated vis-a-vis others?
All that we know from this call -- definitively -- is that multiple explosions were heard, which would seem to contradict the version of events in which a single burst of detonations destroyed the building.
Originally posted by behindthescenes
"Multiple explosions?" I don't recall hearing a multiplicity of explosions. Are you referring to the rumbling?
This is how it's been since day one...and this is six weeks later. As we get closer to the center of this it gets hotter and hotter - it's probably 1500 degrees.
In perfect conditions the maximum temperature that can be reached by hydrocarbons such as jet fuel burning in air is 1520° F (825° C). When the World Trade Center collapsed the deeply buried fires would have been deprived of oxygen and their temperatures would have significantly decreased.
Why was the temperature at the core of "the pile" nearly 500° F hotter than the maximum burning temperature of jet fuel a full seven days after the collapses? There were no infernos in either of the twin towers before they collapsed, so what caused the hot spots deep in their wreckage?
If I were to bring the towers down, I would put explosives in the basement to get the weight of the building to help collapse the structure
Mark Loizeaux, president,
Controlled Demolition Inc.
In order to allow more long-distance calls to be transmitted, the frequencies transmitted are limited to a bandwidth of about 3,000 hertz. All of the frequencies in your voice below 400 hertz and above 3,400 hertz are eliminated. That's why someone's voice on a phone has a distinctive sound. Compare these two voices:
it was not at freefall speed. and he could see that the building is about to come down and he had just about enough clues to figure it out to have that 1 second to say god oh god. (quoted by Demitsuko)
BS. if there were explosions we should have hear them. take a look here and tell me if i put my phone could you not hear that explosions?!
Originally posted by XBadger
Again, the point about how people cognatively function is correct. If a reporter says on air he heard multiple explosions, then yes, he is relaying information based on memory. Lets not forget that during 9/11 reporters were saying that they heard carbombs near the State Department, when in reality it was (presumably) cars backfiring.
So were there explosions there or not? Multiple explosions were reported by reporters live on the scene?
Originally posted by lizziex3
okay i haven't read all of the other posts but i have a couple things to say.
that phone call is absolutely devistating, the first time i heard it i must've cried for an hour. With the people hearing explosions...there are things BESIDES bombs that make explosions. Also, the tallest building ever demolished with CD was only 33 stories tall, and took FOUR months to prepare, and that's without bomb sniffing dogs and all the empolyees running around. Finally. Squibs happen BEFORE the building collapses not during.
Originally posted by Starbuck
this call was from the 105th floor, so its possible the explosions started 30 stories below them. this was the first building to fall, so when he is saying "o my god, o my god" the top 30 stories are tilting... before the structure vaporizes.
Originally posted by Now_Then
I do not think a controlled demolition can be ruled out, this is an old image. Somewhat speaks for its self.
BTW if you fly aircraft into any building on purpose would that not be a 'controlled demolition'
I cannot see how aircraft did this. I cannot see how or why the crews on the ground would make those cuts.
Also respectful discussion is not posted in bad taste.
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
No armed fighters on the eatern seaboard of the United States? You really believe that? I am positive we had planes with "hot guns" maybe not missles but we had armed aircraft. Been that way since the cold war started and has never ended. You think we leave D.C. open for attack without aircraft ready?
Originally posted by 2PacSade
In any case F-15's were scrambled out of Otis AFB on Cape Cod before AA 11 even struck the north tower.
Originally posted by 2PacSade
The thing I find puzzling is the fact that the towers were virtually identical in every detail. Yet they produced earthquakes of magnitude 2.1 & 2.3 respectively. At first glance these metrics may not appear to be significant, but in reality there is a huge difference in the energy needed to produce this. This suggests that the north tower had much more potential that the south tower? How can this be?
Originally posted by JIMC5499
I don't think it, I know it. In the Continental United States unless an aircraft is on an alert status or participating in an exercise they are not normally armed, not even the cannon. As a matter of fact most missiles are not even stored fully assembled. This was even true in the 1980's when the Cold War was still going on, let alone after Clinton's so called Peace Dividend took effect.
That remains true today. Despite the fact that the sole successful mass terror attack against the U.S. was carried out by air, no effort has made to upgrade or bolster national air defenses. Airliners are viewed — very much mistakenly — as being the sole threat, countered only by the TSA's absurd and ill—designed airport gauntlets. That, for all practical purposes, is the sum total of U.S. air defense. Apart from Air National Guard units placed on alert around major metropolitan centers, the U.S. remains as undefended as it was before 9/11.
To provide a ready, fully capable fighter force prepared to employ wherever needed. The wing is equipped with the F-15 Eagle, America’s premier air sovereignty fighter aircraft. Our aircraft and their crews are on continuous 24-hour, 365-day alert to guard our skies. Specifically, our mission is to protect the Northeast United States from:
Armed attack from another sovereign nation,
Illegal activities, smuggling, illicit drug activity and illegal immigration
The wing is also an integral part of an Expeditionary Aerospace Force and immediately deployable to support U.S. Air Force requirements anywhere in the world.
On September 11, 2001, the wing sprang into action just minutes after the terrorists attacks on the World Trade Center in New York City. More than 600 wing members were mobilized for Operation Noble Eagle. The wing began flying around-the-clock combat air patrols missions immediately thereafter, and continued doing so until February 2002. Overall during 2001, wing aircraft flew 2,388 sorties compiling more than 3750 flying hours.