do you think planet X exists or not? do you think modern day Irac was the birthplace of civilisation? check out the artifacts gallery on this link as well.... some fantastic pictures

which gallery would this be?

Iraq is called the 'craddle of civilization' because the earliest western settlements rose there, in Sumeria. Of course, the east was centuries ahead of us at any given time up to the last two centuries... And planet X is nothing more than a pleasant fiction.

DE

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that is your view.......... and your view only....

Originally posted by bryn
that is your view.......... and your view only....

1. As for the Iraq point, I'm right. Any well-written history book will back me up.

2. can you provide good, solid proof as to the existence of said planet X? Your link provides little but hearsay. The only thing it proves is that the existence of such a planet is a possibility, not that it exists. there are dozens of possible explinations of why two gaseous giants' orbits would be irregular.

I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but it's true.

DE

why is this under "Introductions"

to describe the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter thoerizing it was actually a destroyed planet, it's debris still in orbit.

Makes more sense than an invisible planet near the debris.

Originally posted by MacGonzo
I have yet to see any firm evidence that catagorically states there is no Planet X.

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You will never have any, because you cannot prove negative existence. I cannot prove that flying invisible unicorns are not dancing on the surface of Jupiter. The evidence for PlanetX approaches zero. All the so called "clues" (Pluto's orbit) that could indicate another planet have been found to be wrong. All we have left are wild speculations based on mythological texts.

It's possible that Planet X only orbits into our solar system when it crosses thru a vortex or dimension close to ours thus, allowing it to be shown. Who knows really it's only a theory. Maybe it's a super advanced world with a cloaking device shield it uses in order to protect itself from other alien entities which undoubtably pass in and out of our dimension..

You will never have any, because you cannot prove negative existence.

I can prove that I am not a female, but that'll get me flung in jail if I try that in public

I cannot prove that flying invisible unicorns are not dancing on the surface of Jupiter.

Just because we cannot prove something, doesn't mean it's not provable. You cannot prove your example because we cannot see what is on the surface of Jupiter. Doesn't mean it's not true. You may even be closer to the truth than you imagine.

The evidence for PlanetX approaches zero. All the so called "clues" (Pluto's orbit) that could indicate another planet have been found to be wrong.

Couple of points, 1, I state that Pluto has NO effect on the orbit of Neptune, hence somethng else must have an effect. 2, You give no evidence of the 'clues', as you call them, as having being found wrong. You cannot catagorically state something without offering proof. If you followed the link at the bottom of my post, you would have noticed (if you had read it) that it is a factual account (or as close as humanly possible if you want to be pedantic) of the accepted history of these astronomers.

All we have left are wild speculations based on mythological texts.

Again you seem to miss the point I was making. Do you believe that Planet X (bear in mind I'm not referring to either the Sumerians beliefs or Mr Sitchins') exists or are you saying you don't believe? Read my last sentence again.

P.S. You seem to have a liking of wild speculations, hence the 'flying invisible unicorns', 'dancing on the surface of Jupiter'.
Not everything 'we have left' is 'wild speculations based on mythological texts', if all you read about is Mr Sitchins opinions or the beliefs of a people 6000 years old, them that is all you will have. We, however, live in a quite well advanced SCIENTIFIC society, or at least I think I do anyway, and if I'm able to think it then, ergo, it must be a possibility.
Sapphire, you seem to have a higher grasp of the principles involved here. Anything unproven is possible and any theory is a possibility until proved or disproved.

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[Edited on 21-12-2003 by MacGonzo]

Originally posted by exdog
why is this under "Introductions"

Yes I wondered that. This is the third post that you have made in introductions bryn. I think that we know you are here now

This is all based on myth and looking at the big picture.

A planet was destroyed at the historical time of the Great Flood of Noah's day. This planet lied between Earth and Jupiter. It's size rivalled that of Saturn. It's two moons had different fates. One is now know as Mars. The other crashed into the surface of Jupiter. Once this planet was destroyed all the worlds were out of balance. To compensate, various moons were ripped from their parent worlds to create balance. Mercury was ripped from Venus. Pluto, Charon, and Quaoar were ripped from Neptune. All the true planets are gas filled and have extreme atmospheric pressure, including earth. Earth looked exactly like Venus today, which can be understood by reading the creation account. All the asteroids in orbit around the planets are also part of this giant lost world. When the real moons are counted the number comes out to be 21(including Mars, Mercury, Pluto, Charon, and Quaoar.) If one moon truly lies trapped on Jupiter among the Great Red Spot, then the number of moons goes up to 22. The condition of the solar system now is that there are only six gas planets, including earth. These include: Venus, Earth, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune. If this lost world, which now is the asteroid belt was a gas giant, then there would be seven true planet worlds. This state matches the dimensions of the lampstand in the holy chamber of the tabernacle of the Israelites. Seven burning lamps and twenty-two almond blossom flowers.

Originally posted by DeusEx
Iraq is called the 'craddle of civilization' because the earliest western settlements rose there, in Sumeria. Of course, the east was centuries ahead of us at any given time up to the last two centuries... And planet X is nothing more than a pleasant fiction.

DE

[Edited on 16-12-2003 by DeusEx]

I totally agree. THere is no "Planet X". If there was I think they would come up with a better name.

Originally posted by NotTooHappy

Originally posted by DeusEx
Iraq is called the 'craddle of civilization' because the earliest western settlements rose there, in Sumeria. Of course, the east was centuries ahead of us at any given time up to the last two centuries... And planet X is nothing more than a pleasant fiction.

DE

[Edited on 16-12-2003 by DeusEx]

I totally agree. THere is no "Planet X". If there was I think they would come up with a better name.

Maybe its called Planet X because those of us born of the X Generation are going to take over the world MUAHAHAHAHA

An asteroid killed the dinosaurs and this rock came from the destoyed planet.

Originally posted by Sapphire

Maybe its called Planet X because those of us born of the X Generation are going to take over the world MUAHAHAHAHA

Yeah, we wish.