all top secret data is stored and transmitted on secret government internet

I guarantee you I'm not untouchable - and I can prove it from the bootprints on my arse dated 2004. I'm way less informative than I was prior to that.

Not that JWICS is chock full of maps showing you where the dead aliens are stored anyway. I'd have to say in terms of project docs, the most of it is not online, or if it is, it's not accessible to me, not that I'm going rummaging.

Hell, it's tough enough getting a free pass to write a book on stuff that's either now unclassified, is about to be de-classified or has downgraded to confidential. I've been trying to get permission for years to write about something you guys discuss with amusing regularity but so far, nada. Security guys are really anal about their work.

bitch slap those mother#ers, man

HAHAHA! Tom you should know better than that. We are only doing our jobs like you do yours. We're here for your protection, really. My guess is that you are probably an engineer of some type. Engineers are always trying to get around security because it's in their nature to share what they know. Plus, they hate it when someone tells them they can't do something. Engineers by nature want to figure out solutions to problems, so telling them they can't do something is like a challenge to them.

Yeah, that's what the guys say when they audit the SCIF. "We're only here to help...look at that! Damn you guys are screwoffs! Where's your desk covers? Show us your logs! You got a TEMPEST leak in the air vent! I want to see some paperwork NOW MISTER!!"

Worst of all: ONI



Bingo! So, you mean the cross-project mixer barbecues are BAD?

"Doug, meet Joe. Joe, Doug. I can't tell you anything about each other, even though I work on both your projects. Wow, I bet you two would have a lot in common if you'd only strike up a conversation about, say, solving those project stopping problems one of you is having, and one has solved, with gazing thermal arrays. Not that I could talk about that to both of you, because you're in different project chains of command and the NDAs don't cross. Enjoy some ribs"

True, But These vpn's for one are Private and if oyu ever which i hope you never do get conected to it without autorization 9 chances to 1 the Military police will be at your house so fast(IMO)at least lol.

thanks for the laugh,


"Show us your logs" - a classic, cracks me up every time!
FWIW: hard copy of the log in 4 pt font is not seen as amusing to the ISSO

I would like to add:

You need to make sure that the combo to the 'GSA Container', is a word that can be said in mixed company, but it is true that it is a great memory aid. I still remember many of them, years later.

Setting the Cypher Lock combo to Pi is not a clever new idea.

You can never have too many AIS stickers

Do not refer to the 'uncleared' strobe as, a Blue Light Special.

HAHAHA I know you are a SCIF lord, no one else would know the dialog.

Yes, we did set it to pi once. And yes, we did call it the blue light special. For a while we'd start shouting "Unclean! Unclean!", that didn't go over, nor did the "battlestations" sound effects.

Playing "flip for who has to be the escort official".

Dumbarse clients that have Treos in their pocketses and KNOW better.

"Sir, is the IR and RF on that PDA rendered inoperable?"

"What?"

"Sir, you have a non Type 1 PDA that has not been properly set up, in our SCIF. Our DAA/CSA/CTTA has not authorized PDA's, crackberries or cell phones in this SCIF at any rate. That PDA is mine, Major, until it is released back to you by our DAA. And they won't be available until Monday. You at least disabled the voice recorder?"

"Uh, well, I.."

"You're about to get a new view on the phrase 'rendered inoperable' as it relates to your Treo, I'm afraid"

I have read every post in this entire thread, very entertaining and informative. I would like to say I had a feeling they had their own secure internet that was why nobody has really gotten into the good stuff. And some of it isn't even online. I never thought I was right being not even a script kiddie, yet. I guess I'll put down my "Hacking for Dummies" book and stop trying to learn how to hack.. or will I?

Tom,
you are much too kind, I am no 'lord', I am but a serf, although I have been called by the popular name for 'the son of god', typically used just before '...What The H*ll were you thinking when you did that...”

Rendered inoperable, Ah..yes, I use 'Impact Displacement', but I am willing to bet that the results are similar.

It is intresting to note the regional differences in terms. I do not have 'clients', I have 'customers'. I wonder if Texas has 'visitors' and California has 'guests' ? (And are they 'just good friends' in Key West ?)

I keep watching Ebay for a Kaba X-07 to show up, for <$200, I want to take it and mount it to a garage sale cash box, along with a Kaba cypher lock, I got for $35, and use it as a pencil cup, or something like that at work. I would use a cardboard box with a duct tape hinge, if I thought it would last longer than a week.

I have been reading your posts for some time and do enjoy them, so Thank You, for your efforts.

To touch on the subject of the thread, if all top secret data was stored on a secret govt internet, that means that it would have to be a paperless office, somehow I just don't see that happening.

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For anyone who has not read them, I highly reccomend :

" Interviewing With An Intelligence Agency
(or, A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To Fort Meade)"
Federation of American Scientists Intelligence Resource Program
e-Print Archives Interviewing With An Intelligence Agency
found here: www.fas.org...

and

"CIA Realizes It's Been Using Black Highlighters All These Years"
The Onion - Nov 30,2005 Issue 41-48
found here: www.theonion.com...
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The Federation of American Scientists website has a bunch of stuff that should appeal to ATS members/readers.

Start here: fas.org...

and you can find things like:
Project on Government Secrecy,
Intelligence Budget Data
and Intelligence Systems and Programs

In ePrints you will find, among many items:

TEMPEST Eavesdropping On the Electromagnetic Emanations of Digital Equipment: The Laws of Canada, England and the United States,

SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCES AND UNMANNED AERIAL VEHICLES: SOONER OR LATER?

THE SPECIAL OSPREY: IMPACT ON SPECIAL OPERATIONS DOCTRINE

TAKEDOWN: Targets, Tools, & Technocracy

and many, many others. These tend to be long, dry, technicial papers. But these papers are written by people that know their stuff, and were presented at confrences to other people that know. There is an amazing amount of really good information to be found here.

For me, it's sort of whether we're performing a service or designing something. I never really stopped to think about it, but I do call the service guys clients. Weird.

What's really funny is the oddball twists and turns that you get in life...when I was in college after ETS'ing, this guy called me out of the blue with my CV, if you will, and offered me a "summer job" doing technical diving. Being sort of puzzled, I went to see wtf that was about, and lo, my old CO had recommended me for "summer work". I'm not sure if I was more creeped out that that was going on, or po'd that I made more that summer than I did in a year sleeping on poncho liners. Thus started the service industry of Tom. Although these days, it's a lot more likely to be "adversarial systems integration" jobs or "the prime went out of business, can you get this finished?" instead of "we need you to get things and put things."



I hope the special part about it is, it doesn't crash. A swarm of little birds might be safer than one big one.

Edit:

Oh, yeah, the SCIF lord thing. We did this Navy job once, and they wanted to do these "Spanish Inquisition" audits of their own. When you'd least expect it, this ONI guy would show up. We called him the "Dark Lord of the SCIF", which he didn't care for. Also I think playing the Empire March on the music system when he showed up sort of hacked him off.

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A lights,




Please do not put the book down. And don't worry about what you don't yet know. The interest and the drive are what really matter,(and a 3.0 if you want to work for the man).

I was in a 'high level' computer class in high school in the early '80s, COBOL was the language we learned, (COBOL was out of date then, and the IBM punch cards were not quite state of the art either). I used knowing COBOL as a punch line for any number of jokes at my expense. Then someone started thinking about a little thing called Y2K, and what do you know, suddenly someone who knew a language that 'died' in the 70s, could find work anywhere and everywhere, including companies that would be willing to sponsor someone for a clearance, with plenty of uncleared work until, (23 months later), the clearances came through. Being able to identify the work of a script kiddie, may well be what is needed to open a door some day.

ROFL! Great CIA article! But since you linked this right under fas.org, I hope you are aware of what The Onion is all about, aren't you?

[edit on 11-3-2007 by ufia]

Yeah, I was wondering myself if I should have mentioned something about the Onion being a bit less than serious, if you did not know, you could strip a few gears going from fas to onion in one step. As the 'Interview' bit is also very light hearted, I stuck them together.

But I decided that it was no stranger than ... many ... of the ATS posts... so I left it the way it was.

For any who may not know .... The Onion www.theonion.com , is one of the best satire websites to be found, it is well worth the effort to spend a bit of time there.

The Federation of American Scientists is a serious site full of a lot of things to put you to sleep - with some great stuff mixed in. And a bit of humor, like the interview bit.

Tom Bedlam and theguyoverthere, y'all had me laughing out loud. Been out of the "business" for 8 years now, but you sure brought back some memories of the 15 or so years I spent in it. Thanks for setting the way-back-time-machine for me...

[edit on 12-3-2007 by Old AF Guy]

The government does have its own private internet.

The governement also has its own private computer code similiar to
CMOS

Urm, the only CMOS I know of is an IC design technique, not a computer language.

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Oh yes, there's servers, services, feeds, streams, all manner of things in there, just the same as on any other multimedia computer system. The routers are Cisco, and the servers are HP. How do I know? My brother's ex girlfriend worked for the US army installing the stuff.

However, you can be sure that regards getting your hands on that stuff... well, the NSA grade cyphers are pretty much uncrackable, turning up with a forged ID will get you busted fast. PHYSICALLY. We're talking cops at the door in minutes, followed by the army in 15. EVERYTHING on a packet level up will be locked by client ID, which doubtless will be a pretty chunky and dynamic key, most likely held on a hardware level, and monitored real-time by people.

You want to get at DARPA's servers? Sorry, there's few outfits capable of that in terms of resources: the PLA got caught recently (chinese govt/army). This is not for amateurs or sub multi-million hardware budgets.

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1. You watch too many movies.
2. Posting something like "we need to hack this network" this can get you in trouble.
3. Individuals have tried this... and now they're doing hard time in a federal prison somewhere.