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posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by razor1000

Originally posted by leaderoftheresitance1
I suspect that the government has its own private secure internet thats is not on the same network as our internet that is why there has been no leak of top secret data or info and pics on aliens. we need to find an insider who has access to it and download its files on to external hard drive but i suspect even the hard drives are diffrent from the ones we use some sort of holographic memory system they are also working with quantum computers not the old binary systems. even if the inside person was able to get the info he wouldn't be able to leave the building all the equipment is imbedded with rfid chips that set off sensors and self destruct the data when it is tampered with. The question is how can we penitrate tihis system?


man are you serious, # i bet ya any big company has their own secret network to hide their secrets in the goverment has more networks than anyone of us will ever know, and self destruct chips i think is a little out there most likely the only protection is a virus that will whipe the hard drive clean if you mess with it


You're absolutely correct Razor (about large companies)

There are EMP chips though put on Scussi HDs

[edit on 28-1-2007 by sky1]

[edit on 28-1-2007 by sky1]




posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 09:54 PM
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i just dont understand they have top secret technology that would bring peace to the world and would liberate everyone why are they not releasing it???



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 10:03 PM
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Originally posted by sky1
I know the ramifications.

It upsets me greatly that just because someone stated they would like to find an insider, you not only jumped up to state that you were an insider but that you also offered information that no one, in your claimed position, should have offered.

[edit on 28-1-2007 by sky1]


He's not giving out any information that the government won't tell you themselves.

www.quantico.usmc.mil...
www.disa.mil...



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 10:04 PM
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POWER. It's all about power and control. Some people are corrupt enough in their mind and soul that all that matters is their own sick need for power and control. These are the people at the head of our governments, financial institutions, and religions.

Why use something for the greater good when you can control everything?


I believe this is why we are 'seeing' so much more, we're getting closer to the 'end' and the more who see reality instead of what has been created, the better it may be for us.



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 10:07 PM
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You're absolutely correct Razor (about large companies)

There are EMP chips though put on Scussi HDs


Private hardwired networks with no external links are about as secure as you get, they cannot be "hacked", i have heard some ideas of reading hard drives from a distance, can't remember where but it sounds interesting.

EMP chips? Erm do you mean degaussers? Degaussing machines are resonably large the last time i saw one. If you can link to the SCSI drive in question with the chip i would be very keen on learning about it as it's somehow passed me by.

By the way razor, although viruses and overwriting data can help destroy it, anyone with enough time and an electron scanning microscope can find data off the drive. It's time consuming work and often they only find fragments, but it can be done.



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by Skibum

Originally posted by sky1
I know the ramifications.

It upsets me greatly that just because someone stated they would like to find an insider, you not only jumped up to state that you were an insider but that you also offered information that no one, in your claimed position, should have offered.

[edit on 28-1-2007 by sky1]


He's not giving out any information that the government won't tell you themselves.

www.quantico.usmc.mil...
www.disa.mil...





I meant this more so than anything else:


At any rate, yes we have access to both, and no I won't give you anything off of them. You can get in trouble just asking someone to. Verbum Sapientum Satis.

We also have a SCIF, for what it's worth, and we do SCIFfy stuff here. And the building is access controlled, and we have RF tags on our keychains and badges. The secretary is armed, and vendors are not free to traipse around the office without escort. If we really wanted to, we could strip search them, there are signs that warn you we might. We haven't yet, although a couple of vendors make it awfully tempting to apply the Search of Vengeance.



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 10:11 PM
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From the FAS website:



The Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communications System [JWICS] is JWICS is a 24 hour a day network designed to meet the requirements for secure (TS/SCI) multi-media intelligence communications worldwide. JWICS replaces the DDN DSNET3 as the Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) component of the Defense Information System Network (DISN). It provides DODIIS users a SCI level high-speed multimedia network using high-capacity communications to handle data, voice, imagery, and graphics.

The system uses JDISS as its primary means of operator interface and display. In much the same way as ASAS, JWICS is an evolutionary system. The JWICS program initial or pilot phase established a hub and spoke circuit switched T1 backbone for point-to-point and multipoint video teleconferences (VTCS), broadcast of the Defense Intelligence Network (DIN), and variable bandwidth packet switched data communications. The Hybrid JWICS phase removed the DSNET3 PSNS, re-homed the lines to JWICS IP routers, and extended the JWICS to additional sites to form a mesh network. Some sites will have video and data capability on T1 lines, and some sites will have strictly data capability (64 kbps lines). The final phase--Goal JWICS--will replace Hybrid JWICS with a single commercially available technology that can accommodate data, voice, and video. This technology is expected to be asynchronous transfer mode (ATM). JWICS will ride the DISN as an overlay when the DISN acquires T3 lines.

The Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) has directed that all Special Security Offices (SSOs) will install the JWICS.


It's pretty obvious that the only way for somebody to hack into this network is to either get access to one of these machines, or reverse-engineer them so they can access the network.

The only other way around would be to receive the encrypted wireless signals, in the eventuality that somebody gets to identify these waves, and decrypt these with keys earned from spies or military personnel, but that'd be quite unlikely since the people registered to JIWCS must be hardened elitist bastards of the highest ranks!



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984

You're absolutely correct Razor (about large companies)

There are EMP chips though put on Scussi HDs


Private hardwired networks with no external links are about as secure as you get, they cannot be "hacked", i have heard some ideas of reading hard drives from a distance, can't remember where but it sounds interesting.

EMP chips? Erm do you mean degaussers? Degaussing machines are resonably large the last time i saw one. If you can link to the SCSI drive in question with the chip i would be very keen on learning about it as it's somehow passed me by.

By the way razor, although viruses and overwriting data can help destroy it, anyone with enough time and an electron scanning microscope can find data off the drive. It's time consuming work and often they only find fragments, but it can be done.


The Russians made the EMP chip a long time ago, beta tested by some US corporations.

As far as something not being able to be hacked, it isn't possible. ANYTHING can be hacked.

When you overwrite a file, it is overwritten and the government programs don't merely overwrite one pass......what, may I ask is your cyber security background?



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
i have heard some ideas of reading hard drives from a distance, can't remember where but it sounds interesting.




Thats why they build SCIF rooms.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 10:20 PM
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ill ask the same question i asked before is this network just limited to the united states or is a global network? is it hardwired to the kremlin and china? i think its a global network used mostly for the defense of the planet from alien and cosmic emergency (metorites and the such) or is just a united sates nato network?



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 10:26 PM
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At the risk of sounding rude, I'm going to leave the rest of this thread to the 'experts'.

I find my blood boiling when people believe what they find on google, a text book cyber forensics class, or simply because they 'think' it.... as opposed to reality.

My apologies.



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 10:42 PM
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I am sorry guy but this thread has given me a headache. Please don't act liek you know something when you do not. I have seen numerous times in this thread wehre lingo is being used that is not appropriate to what you are talking about and to anyone with tech know how you sound pretty stupid. I am not directing this to any one individual but to the people reading this thread.

Be careful of the information you read here. Apparently their are people here who are pretending like they know about this so called secret internet and frankly some of them are full of bunk.

I do know konw specifically about these governemnt systems but this is what I can tell you. It is common knoweledge that many networks are set up by the governmen that are off the grid as far as the internet is concerned. The idea about the government having its own network wired across the world is also a erronous statement. They have a network that coinsides with the civilian internet. It uses the same network mainframs and such to transmit its info between their own servers.

YOu also remember that if you do get someoen who is on the inside it is nearly impossible to get all the information. The deal with security clearence is that it is not a give all pass. You might have one of the highest security clearences but you will not have access to all the info. If you are navy and you have a high security clearence you can not go into the CIA database and check out there stuff. It would be nearly impossible for one lone person to bring about information that will rock the country on all sides.

Also the idea about hackers accesing the government servers and network. It is unlikely that it can happen but it does happen. I have haeard many times of hackers being caught but then being employed byt the nsa and such. Remeber all these networkds are designed my men. They all have flaws. Their is nothing in this world that is hack proof as long as its made by man who makes mistakes.



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 10:45 PM
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You really need proof for something like that, you know.

Do you have any evidence?



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 10:59 PM
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Okay, I'm not pointing any fingers here but say you do have access to these sensitive networks, and you just posted vague information about them on ATS but admitted to having access in the first place, given what I've seen first hand from the government just admitting such a thing is frowned upon for multiple reasons, if any because you are now a prime target for unfriendly foreign powers that would like to shake you down for information.

And as for all this debate of the security of the networks in question just remember this: they were all designed by man, and man is prone to mistakes. Every single time anybody has ever claimed a server was unhackable, an encryption scheme uncrackable, somebody somewhere has don what was claimed to be an impossibility. In computer security there are no absolutes, despite what vendors and shysters would have you believe.


I have haeard many times of hackers being caught but then being employed byt the nsa and such


I have to take issue with this because anybody who has dealt with government IT positions will tell you that they like a squeaky clean record, and don't take kindly to those of the criminal persuasion. The whole hacker-to-hire thing is basically a fairy tale, it happens once in a blue moon and to the best of my knowledge its always been in the private sector not the federal government.



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 11:21 PM
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i dont have the actually cases in front of me but i have heard about it a few times. I am not saying it is people who are tryin to be malicous but people with the technical skill that makes it apparent by doing some things that may be in the gray area of the law. Of course the government does not hire dishonest people to handle sensitive info. But the people they hire are people who go to MIT and such and do practice a bit of white hat hacking.



posted on Jan, 29 2007 @ 12:07 AM
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Originally posted by Helig
Okay, I'm not pointing any fingers here but say you do have access to these sensitive networks, and you just posted vague information about them on ATS but admitted to having access in the first place, given what I've seen first hand from the government just admitting such a thing is frowned upon for multiple reasons, if any because you are now a prime target for unfriendly foreign powers that would like to shake you down for information.


From the house:

I can't count the places with SCIFs and SIPRNET access around here, Huntsville was far worse, when you rent office space they ask you "with or without a SCIF?" The DC area has freaking secure office malls. It's not that hard to find out who has it if you're on it. From the civilian side, you can get listings of what contractors are running classified projects, it's a pretty sure thing that at least 75% of them do. It's not like it's that much of a mystery, at least I hadn't thought so.



posted on Jan, 29 2007 @ 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by Helig
Okay, I'm not pointing any fingers here but say you do have access to these sensitive networks, and you just posted vague information about them on ATS but admitted to having access in the first place, given what I've seen first hand from the government just admitting such a thing is frowned upon for multiple reasons, if any because you are now a prime target for unfriendly foreign powers that would like to shake you down for information.


This is mostly true. US personnel who possess a security clearance and have access to classified information should not advertise these facts, as it does make you a target for Hostile Foreign Intelligence Services (HFIS). The degree to which this is emphasized and enforces varies. While making these kinds of statements is (usually) unclassified, it is almost universally regarded as "bad practice". However, stating general knowledge about SIPRnet and JWICS is not a big deal. Especially if the poster remains anonymous, or protects their identity behind a handle.


Originally posted by Helig
And as for all this debate of the security of the networks in question just remember this: they were all designed by man, and man is prone to mistakes. Every single time anybody has ever claimed a server was unhackable, an encryption scheme uncrackable, somebody somewhere has don what was claimed to be an impossibility. In computer security there are no absolutes, despite what vendors and shysters would have you believe.


Most of the government "systems" you read about being "hacked" are unclassified and unencrypted, and are at the lowest tier of protection levels. Classified systems that have been properly set up are not hacked. Period. US electronic encryption for classified information is secure. Secure enough that the vast majority of all classified information flows freely through the world wide web without incident.


Originally posted by Helig

I have haeard many times of hackers being caught but then being employed byt the nsa and such


I have to take issue with this because anybody who has dealt with government IT positions will tell you that they like a squeaky clean record, and don't take kindly to those of the criminal persuasion. The whole hacker-to-hire thing is basically a fairy tale, it happens once in a blue moon and to the best of my knowledge its always been in the private sector not the federal government.


Agreed. A fairy tail perpetuated by authors and outsiders. I have seen first-hand top quality hackers, we're talking real black-hatters here, get unceremoniously denied by NSA because they can't pass the basic litmus test for stability and honesty. The government cannot accept the risk with these people to bring them into the vault and give them access to the crown jewels.



posted on Jan, 29 2007 @ 09:42 AM
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actually there are other networks the gov and military use and nipernet and sipernet are the correct names. I work with these networks all the time.we work and build the vtc equipments and networks they use.



posted on Jan, 29 2007 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by sky1

There are EMP chips though put on Scussi HDs


Well, no, no, there's not. There's no such thing as an EMP chip.

There are a number of secure drives which we use. In the olden days, if you might need to destroy a drive for security reasons, there were small thermate charges in the rack. Then for a while you could get special order hard drives with this incendiary stuff built into the drive, and there was a couple of "extra pins" you could connect to that would toggle off a slapper and burn the coating off the drives internally.

The latest thing in secure rotary drives is a special command set that, once activated, can't be stopped. The drive will turn the heads on full bore and make a real non-standard pass across the platters, all the heads going at once, laying down nothing but noise. If you power the drive down and up again trying to stop it, it will keep going on the previous erase. It's real effective.

However, as flash comes down in price and goes up in density, DOD certified flash drives have become the thing to have. One command and the data is gone in about half a second, never to be recovered.



posted on Jan, 29 2007 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by Pyros

This is mostly true. US personnel who possess a security clearance and have access to classified information should not advertise these facts, as it does make you a target for Hostile Foreign Intelligence Services (HFIS). The degree to which this is emphasized and enforces varies. While making these kinds of statements is (usually) unclassified, it is almost universally regarded as "bad practice". However, stating general knowledge about SIPRnet and JWICS is not a big deal. Especially if the poster remains anonymous, or protects their identity behind a handle.


Meh, you sound like one of the Navy security officers.

Yes, Daddy, I should have kept my mouth shut, yes, it's a handle, no, I didn't say anything about the building, its location, the personnel in an identifiable way or the nature of the work that goes on here.

The sad part is you're right. It's just that a half dozen guys got burned on another forum for asking that question in depth, I hate to see dewy-eyed innocents run afoul of the long arm of the law.



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