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Is it possible to believe in GOD & ALIENS and be taken seriously

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posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 11:56 AM
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Lately as I research more and more about the history of earth and the universe for that matter, a lot of stuff makes me start to doubt what's true, what's been altered and what has been totally made-up.

Like for starters (for me anyways) if there is life else where, and I do believe that there is, then where does god fit in all of this or does he even exists?

I personally have trouble trying to piece the pieces together. Mainly because I was raised as a christian. Of course in church they don't mention ufo's or aliens as part of the bigger picture or mention that there is ANYTHING out there, ONLY god and the stars.

So after putting that aside so I can be more open about this (which I have been for a long time, but still believe in god).

One of my concerns is, can you believe in god And Aliens? Can you believe that god might have created aliens also, OR is it some kind of oxymoron to believe in both, (almost to the line of where did man come from adam or eve or monkeys, which is another mess in its self)

Sometimes I almost feel like I'm betraying god if I believe to hard and it turns out to be the devils tricks at work (which if you know anything about religion is his main goal here, which is to try to basically make you think that god doesn't exist).

I know I'm touching on some pretty sensitive stuff here AND things that there is no definite answers to.

Soooo, maybe in my warped mind I'm trying to play it safe and include both.

And do true believers, abductees and UFO specialist like steven greer, and other high profile people believe in a god (either before or after their experiences)? Is it among the same lines like scientist, that they cant believe that god exist? Is there a unwritten rule somewhere? And how do they fit god in or out of all of this?

I've watched a bunch of videos that are borderline nuts imho ( I try to weed the decent info. out) that try to say that angels, demons and ufos are connected in some way Like one video where they try to say aliens guided the 3 kings men and not a star. Or that aliens are actually GOD or his angels.

THEN there is another angle that suggest that the earth has pretty much been through the same cycle for billions of years. What I mean by that is, that there was at one time and actually plenty of times a life like our own and even more tech. advanced, that has been wiped out for one reason or another. If thats the case and I say IF loosely then who keeps repopulating the earth over and over again? GOD?, ALIENS?, the earth its self? a mixture? I know the possibilities can go and on...

But basically to me it boils down to, CAN believers like us believe in both GOD and Aliens and be taken seriously in a world where religion pretty much dictates all of our lives one way or another even in a small way (even if you don't wanna believe that part its soo true). Could that be the hardest part to convincing people that aliens do exist? Cause if they did they would be taking a gamble by putting doubt in their heart that maybe a god doesn't exist, even for a second, and giving in to what the devils wants which is that exact thing? To some religion is a BIG thing and this could be a double edge sword that they want nothing to do with.

I approached my mother about this one day, and she gave me this line that sounds like it has been feed threw the years. And I actually remember saying it when I was younger going to church. I don't remember it line for line but its pretty much what I said above, along the lines of, the devils job is to make you believe that there is no god. This can apply to anything, thats the greatest and worst thing about it. Its so strong either way it can make someone so comforted but at the same time make then so close minded.

I am in no way trying to teach religion here. Just incase some people come to that conclusion. this is just how some people think and Im sure all of you know at least one person like this.

And sorry if this sounds like I'm rambling, but I just woke up and was thinking about it after along nite of partying hehee.





posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 12:24 PM
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www.bibleufo.com...

this site should answer every question you have ever had about aliens the bible and our creator. excellent site.



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 12:59 PM
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While the bible may say one thing or another that could be interpreted as alien messing with our lives, the strict line of how God created everything just for us doesnt match. Are aliens "demons"? Perhaps. But I doubt it. Life is life regardless of which planet it calls home. If there is a God together with aliens, then I do not think he can be the biblical God. I would simply believe in a lifeform so ancient its far beyond mortal limitations.



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 01:50 PM
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I believe we were genetically engineered by aliens



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by ThreeNF
I believe we were genetically engineered by aliens


Who knows we might just have been.

But whatever the real answer is i think even if aliens landed they will get twisted up into the whole religion scenario, even if their not. Some might see them as angels some as demons and some as people just from another world. then well have one big religion war and annihilate ourselves as they watch from the skies.



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 03:55 PM
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Hi Whos Out There,

My personal belief is that our planet was chosen to show God’s plan of salvation to the cloud of witnesses aka ETs from all universes, all dimensions. We have and will continue to leap over all the universes and dimensions and will go directly to God with Grace. The unfolding of salvation on our little primitive planet shows them (ETs, good & bad, and that God also created) that reincarnation is not needed and ditto for technology and vibrating at higher levels, Grace is given to all levels and thus ends the power plays across the universes, checkmate. We’re going home.

I could’ve gone on for pages but considering this is the A & U section which is not the proper area for this discussion I kept it brief.

Anywho, great idea for a thread in Faith & Spirituality or Skunkworks,

STM




[edit on 28-1-2007 by seentoomuch]



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 04:14 PM
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If there is a God, he created the Universe, I see no reason why he wouldn't also have created life on other worlds. The way I see it, belief in God is to do with religion, whereas (I think) aliens are just flesh and blood, so the two concepts are not mutually exclusive.

As to whether or not this an acceptable belief, there are likely to be people in both camps that will reject it.

At the end of the day, it is your choice, so believe whatever seems right to you.



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 04:28 PM
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Mormons...believe in God & Aliens.
There are millions and millions of those people....they have temples built on every continent of the planet and they are taken VERY SERIOUSLY.......

So why would'nt some body who believes along the same lines be taken seriously?

Yes I live in Salt Lake City at present, but do not assume I am a Mormon.
I am a Pagan, and I believe in the ultimate creative powers of the universe wich includes beings not from this planet....

[edit on 28-1-2007 by theRiverGoddess]



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 05:11 PM
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But basically to me it boils down to, CAN believers like us believe in both GOD and Aliens and be taken seriously


hehe of course you can be taken seriously. You just have to present a good enough argument and people will take you seriously.

If you look at how we (humans) define GOD (omnipotent & omniscient) you quickly find that GOD could be a paradox. If one is everywhere, one has no place to go! If one is outside of time, then what is the point of setting goals? If one knows everything, then what is the point of learning? There is no point. GOD has no purpose and as such one has to wonder if GOD exists?

Without experience or purpose GOD is only infinite potential. GOD actualizes it's own potential by becoming reality. I mean why do you think you exist? You exist because you are part of God. Thinking of God as a completely seperate being from you or this universe is pure nonsense. By very definition GOD is everywhere and all powerful so GOD is everything. This universe is one of an infinite amount of possibilities in which GOD experiences itself. How GOD interacts with itself.

Whatever intelligence guides those UFOs is no different than us (as far as their relationship to GOD). They simply are more advanced. They have an expanded consciousness and a much better understanding of reality. If you (personally) believe in GOD, then I would hope you believe in aliens, because it doesn't make any sense for us to be the only ones. Not from a scientific or philosophical viewpoint.

That's my 2 cents.



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 05:43 PM
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The ultimate goal is world domination by global corporate financial powers (the beast) and social monitoring, with the resulting threat of planetary devastation, and eventual destruction. The ultimate eradication of all known life will be stayed only by the intervention of those beings flying in our skies, as evidenced in the writings of the world's ancient cultures. One of those ancient writings is the King James Bible




The purpose of this work is to present proof that the UFOs in our modern skies have been flying in those skies for the entirety of world history. The beings controlling these high tech flying vehicles are not "aliens", in the sense that they are visitors to this world, but in fact the same beings that terra formed / created the biosphere we inhabit. Human beings have recorded the presence of these beings since the dawn of time, and are more closely related to them than has been revealed by the true powers in control of the information, which forms the mainstream view of this concept.


This work does not attempt to prove God is an alien; it presents ample evidence and simple logic that the Gods have been mistaken for an alien race. We present this evidence to show mankind that there are forces on this planet, which have reason to condition mankind into believing the Earth is
under threat of an alien invasion. Those forces are now manipulating mankind into a warlike and defensive posture, which will soon be refocused from the current planetary terrorist threat to an “extraterrestrial” terrorist threat, an invasion from space. The result is all humanity will unite against the returning fleet of the Christ returning to Earth to capture, and imprison those evil forces plaguing the planet. Mankind is being recruited to arm itself with massive planetary, and space based weapons to fight against a destructive alien invasion, which will actually be the returning Christ they claim to worship, and expect to save the world.


The Greatest Deception is that mankind has been falsely led to believe that the Gods could pose a threat to the very race they created. And as the deception grows the true enemy is destroying the planet's environment, and the wealth, diversity, and social structure of all global civilizations through monetary, and social control in every aspect of life. The ultimate goal is world domination by global corporate financial powers and social monitoring, with the resulting threat of planetary devastation, and eventual destruction. The ultimate eradication of all known life will be stayed only by the intervention of those beings flying in our skies, as evidenced in the writings of the world's ancient cultures. One of those ancient writings is the King James Bible, a work that could just as easily be called, "The Ultimate Guide To UFOs And Their Occupants"


www.bibleufo.com...


[edit on 28-1-2007 by Funkydung]



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 05:44 PM
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For the record, I am Raelian and do not believe in "God", an all powerful being that created everything out of nothing. I truly believe that we are the product of scientific creation and I won't be surprised if by the end of this century, that man will have acquired this same ability. Immortality will be achievable through cloning and memory transfer, but I'm sure many will see that as science fiction


And for the record again, Raelians are not freaks - they are really kind and loving people


Peace



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by Scramjet76

If you (personally) believe in GOD, then I would hope you believe in aliens, because it doesn't make any sense for us to be the only ones. Not from a scientific or philosophical viewpoint.
That's my 2 cents.


I understand what your getting at and i agree. BUT (hehee) if thats the case when do they meet paths, at some point they must. Even if for a micro second. And if so some of these stories floating around must have some truth in them.

And by no means is this a religious thing, it about believing in two things that in our world that we live in contradict each other totally.



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 06:09 PM
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I think lots of folks believe n both.


Originally posted by whos_out_there
Like for starters (for me anyways) if there is life else where, and I do believe that there is, then where does god fit in all of this or does he even exists?

What's inconsistant about a god creating life at many different times in a universe that's 15 billion years old? Just because we see one existance here doesn't mean there aren't others a million years ago (or in the future) and billions of light years away (where we'd never know about them.


THEN there is another angle that suggest that the earth has pretty much been through the same cycle for billions of years. What I mean by that is, that there was at one time and actually plenty of times a life like our own and even more tech. advanced, that has been wiped out for one reason or another.

There's no evidence of this at all. Maybe on another planet outside our solar system but not here on Earth.



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by Scramjet76
If you look at how we (humans) define GOD (omnipotent & omniscient) you quickly find that GOD could be a paradox. If one is everywhere, one has no place to go! If one is outside of time, then what is the point of setting goals? If one knows everything, then what is the point of learning? There is no point. GOD has no purpose and as such one has to wonder if GOD exists?


We clever and infallible humans invariably attempt to frame God within our logical arguments: If God is THIS, God CANNOT also be THAT. The implication being that God cannot exist if God doesn't obey human logic.

Which is nonsense. God created the entire Universe because blue and because triangles smell better than rhomboids. I mean, it could be just that illogical a motivation. We should be prepared to accept, just for our own peace of mind, that God's thoughts are not and never will be the thoughts of Man -- says that in the Bible, too. It may be sad to contemplate, but we can't even begin to comprehend the nature of God, and our species will fall to extinction or evolve into something else before we ever unravel and understand even a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a miniscule speck of God's mysterious creations.

People in the midst of turmoil and disaster tend to shake their fists at the sky and lament HOW could God allow this to happen?? Simple. God doesn't know you exist. God goes blissfully about its business of creating and destroying universes without ever getting very personal with its creations. See, it's up to us to signal to God that we even exist. The trick is figuring out what language God speaks --- who knows, God may speak in titanic gamma-bursts that sterilize whole star systems. In which case we may want to re-think sitting down with God for a conversation.

— Doc Velocity



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by ThreeNF
For the record, I am Raelian and do not believe in "God", an all powerful being that created everything out of nothing. I truly believe that we are the product of scientific creation


So if we are a product of scientific creation then where are our creators? If they were so smart to make us, then why weren't they smart enough to leave us some history or were we humans gone wrong, or a experiment. Or did we go nuts and kill our creators when we found out they were human just like us. Yes i know it can go on and on.



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by whos_out_there


One of my concerns is, can you believe in god And Aliens? Can you believe that god might have created aliens also, OR is it some kind of oxymoron to believe in both, (almost to the line of where did man come from adam or eve or monkeys, which is another mess in its self)



no one believes man came from monkeys, that's a common mistake made. darwin clearly stated apes and humans shared a common ANCESTOR, not that we evolved directly from them.


i believe in my gods and in extraterrestrial life. i don't think it's far fetched at all. in fact if there were no other intelligent or semi intelligent life in the universe besides on earth it would be an incredible waste of space, not to mention so outside statistics as to be mindboggling. we know very little of universe as it is. we hardly know anything about the other planets in our own solar system let alone about planets and galaxies millions of lightyears away.



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by Indellkoffer

There's no evidence of this at all. Maybe on another planet outside our solar system but not here on Earth.


But is there evidence to prove that there WASN'T life on this planet before us. Our info only goes so far back, and who is to say that what we've been told is even totally true?

For all we know this world could have been destroyed by nukes, colliding planets etc and everything could have been disintegrated with millions of years of in-between civilizations to even think that there was life before us.



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by optimus primal


i believe in my gods and in extraterrestrial life. i don't think it's far fetched at all.


so just for the sake of argument if that is so, and i believe that also. then what happens when and if we get visited and are told that they hold the key to god, or the path to god etc etc. and you must do and live and pray a certain way. how will us humans react to that since we've know only one way of worshipping? do we just forget what we've lived our whole lives? do we flat out trust them and take their word and not hope there aren't any other alter-motives?



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 06:35 PM
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lol, oh hell no! i don't let anyone on this planet dictate how i believe or what i do, well....as long as it's legal, i would never let some big headed alien punk tell me what to believe and how to believe it, even if it meant my death. although there would probably be a portion of humanity that would go along like the good little sheep that they are, but this is to be expected....some people just follow blindly.



posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by Scramjet76
Whatever intelligence guides those UFOs is no different than us (as far as their relationship to GOD). They simply are more advanced. They have an expanded consciousness and a much better understanding of reality.


Yes they might be more advanced than us but does that make their intentions good? are they leading us towards doom or salvation or even to the next step of enlightenment. Like i said alot of people might just dismiss it at the devils temptation.

Because to every good there is evil. who will be able to tell?



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