Creation Emanates from Spirit

Evolution is a true process, but the process of evolution is not Darwinian. All things emanate from the Mind of the Spirit. Every soul, be it a plant, a rock, or a human, first begins as a thought in the Mind of the Universal Spirit. The process whereby this thought is created is evolution. I do not see a problem with believing in evolution and creation at the same time. Only the modern dichotomy of mind vs. matter has set up the parameters for the "fight."

[edit on 28-1-2007 by spiritconnections]

Originally posted by spiritconnections
Evolution is a true process, but the process of evolution is not Darwinian. All things emanate from the Mind of the Spirit. Every soul, be it a plant, a rock, or a human, first begins as a thought in the Mind of the Universal Spirit. The process whereby this thought is created is evolution. I do not see a problem with believing in evolution and creation at the same time. Only the modern dichotomy of mind vs. matter has set up the parameters for the "fight."

[edit on 28-1-2007 by spiritconnections]

You dont have a problem with evolution and creationism???? You're quite happy to believe that man was 'made' from clay/dust and that woman came from the rib of man????? Or you're quite happy to believe that a god of some sorts created everything from nothing and then left it to evolve for a few billion years and what is here now (humans, plants etc) is the end product of said creator.

Would you care to elaborate??


G

Originally posted by shihulud

Originally posted by spiritconnections
Evolution is a true process, but the process of evolution is not Darwinian. All things emanate from the Mind of the Spirit. Every soul, be it a plant, a rock, or a human, first begins as a thought in the Mind of the Universal Spirit. The process whereby this thought is created is evolution. I do not see a problem with believing in evolution and creation at the same time. Only the modern dichotomy of mind vs. matter has set up the parameters for the "fight."

[edit on 28-1-2007 by spiritconnections]

You dont have a problem with evolution and creationism???? You're quite happy to believe that man was 'made' from clay/dust and that woman came from the rib of man????? Or you're quite happy to believe that a god of some sorts created everything from nothing and then left it to evolve for a few billion years and what is here now (humans, plants etc) is the end product of said creator.

Would you care to elaborate??


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I would love to elaborate~

I never said I believe in creationism. I believe in creation. Those are two very different concepts. I neither believe (1) Darwinian evolution nor (2) biblical creationism. I do, however, believe that everything that exists is created.

Creation from nothing is an oxymoronic concept. Something cannot come from nothing. Even the most minute "particles" of quantum physics which seemingly can come into and out of existence only emerge or dissolve from or back into Spirit. Spirit is the foundation of everything. I know this takes us to the inevitable question of where God/Spirit came from, and that is an unanswerable question. Spirit is eternal. It has always existed. Every religion/spirituality must deal with this problem.

Everything that exists emanates from Spirit - that is the type of creation I believe in. We do not come from nothing, but originate as monads in the Mind of the Spirit, and are existence is the manifestation of Spirit thought.

[edit on 30-1-2007 by spiritconnections]

so you believe that everything violates one of the principal laws of physics?
conservation of matter and energy
the two can be neither created nor destroyed

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
so you believe that everything violates one of the principal laws of physics?
conservation of matter and energy
the two can be neither created nor destroyed

No. You are completely misunderstanding what I am saying.

Spirit is energy, and has always existed. Creation and destruction are moot points when speaking of the Spirit because it is eternal. Everything that exists either emerges from or dissolves into the energy of Spirit. Nothing is lost or gained in reality - only varying manifestations of energy appear or "disappear."

[edit on 30-1-2007 by spiritconnections]

Originally posted by spiritconnections

No. You are completely misunderstanding what I am saying.

that's what question asking is for
better to ask a seemingly dumb question than to live in ignorance

Spirit is energy, and has always existed. Creation and destruction are moot points when speaking of the Spirit because it is eternal. Everything that exists either emerges from or dissolves into the energy of Spirit. Nothing is lost or gained in reality - only varying manifestations of energy appear or "disappear."

your claim is interesting
completely unscientific in every way
but intersting none the less
fairly decent philosophy

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

Originally posted by spiritconnections

No. You are completely misunderstanding what I am saying.

that's what question asking is for
better to ask a seemingly dumb question than to live in ignorance

Spirit is energy, and has always existed. Creation and destruction are moot points when speaking of the Spirit because it is eternal. Everything that exists either emerges from or dissolves into the energy of Spirit. Nothing is lost or gained in reality - only varying manifestations of energy appear or "disappear."

your claim is interesting
completely unscientific in every way
but intersting none the less
fairly decent philosophy

You're right in both respects: I respect and love questions - even more than answers~

And my claim is purely unscientific, that is for sure. It is based on experience which is the only basis for claims not scientific.

Originally posted by spiritconnections
And my claim is purely unscientific, that is for sure. It is based on experience which is the only basis for claims not scientific.

Everything you have written resonated with me, you have the same idea i do.

Science can not contemplate the truths you have stated, because ultimately it ignores the "observer", aka consciousness, which is everything/spirit.

Spirit, as you said, has always existed. Time and place are irrelevant outside the 3D physical plane.

"Behind every idea therein lies the belief that things can be done or undone".

BELIEF.

It is an 'exuding' concept.

Exuding to mean in this sense: permeating from and projecting forward.

Ideas can manifest from the mind and CAN 'portray' to be in a physyical concept.

Portraying from a beginning point and exploding outwards.

'We THINK/BELIEVE, therefore we ARE'.
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I've believed this concept all my life.

*It took a long time to come to grips with this ideology, and yet, I've integrated this into my being for a long time.*

I've seen the movie: "The Secret", and believe what it 'portrays'.

Re: THINKING

i.e. If you send out 'negativity', then expect it to come back to you.
If you send out 'positivity', then expect it to come back to you.

It's just like people throwing a stone into a pond, and waiting to see the effects of the stone thrown. (what you reap, you sow)

The spirit or essence of YOU can create your state of being around you as well as others.

Even in the Bible, Christ told us about 'believing' - FAITH, -
He said: (paraphrasing) If you had that much faith, you could tell a mountain to bring itself up and go away. (like a mustard seed)

Before an action is ALWAYS a THOUGHT.

If humans could harnass "THOUGHT" properly, perhaps the world would be in a better place.

Alas, without restraint of thoughts, we view the world today, such as it is.

Originally posted by TheDuckster
"Behind every idea therein lies the belief that things can be done or undone".

BELIEF.

It is an 'exuding' concept.

Exuding to mean in this sense: permeating from and projecting forward.

Ideas can manifest from the mind and CAN 'portray' to be in a physyical concept.

Portraying from a beginning point and exploding outwards.

'We THINK/BELIEVE, therefore we ARE'.
_________________________________

I've believed this concept all my life.

*It took a long time to come to grips with this ideology, and yet, I've integrated this into my being for a long time.*

I've seen the movie: "The Secret", and believe what it 'portrays'.

Re: THINKING

i.e. If you send out 'negativity', then expect it to come back to you.
If you send out 'positivity', then expect it to come back to you.

It's just like people throwing a stone into a pond, and waiting to see the effects of the stone thrown. (what you reap, you sow)

The spirit or essence of YOU can create your state of being around you as well as others.

Even in the Bible, Christ told us about 'believing' - FAITH, -
He said: (paraphrasing) If you had that much faith, you could tell a mountain to bring itself up and go away. (like a mustard seed)

Before an action is ALWAYS a THOUGHT.

If humans could harnass "THOUGHT" properly, perhaps the world would be in a better place.

Alas, without restraint of thoughts, we view the world today, such as it is.

This is an excellent post! Thoughts do create reality, and not just the thoughts of the Spirit proper. As monads of the Spirit, we also create reality with our thought energies; hence, the state of the world as it is now. When enough people become spiritually aware, and begin focusing on positive reality, then positive reality will come about.

[edit on 31-1-2007 by spiritconnections]

yep the secret is an interesting concept, Its saying that anything you think you create , like a magnet you
attract an outcome or an event from the universe the more mental
energy to devote to it the quicker it happens...i.e. I'm going to
become wealthy and think about that long enough and consistent enough
and you will attract it like magnet...
The key is also not wanting something but believing that you will get
it or that you already have it somehow, as wanting only attracts the
wanting and not the receiving if you get my drift....
I've read books such as "Conversations with God" (a book I recommend
everyone who ever thinks outside the box to read) and it says the same
thing , that , we are GOD with god creating abilities but we have
lost the skill through lack of practice , so now it's like a big mess...
Now here's the strange part...here's an unsettling idea I have come up
with or great idea depending on your perspective...
If this skill of attraction is gets
stronger and stronger until it hits a omega point or point were a
being becomes totally capable of creating its experience at will at a
conscious level things could get weird.
that's what apparently was so special about people like Jesus, he
wasn't the son of god as stated, he had simply mastered this law of
attraction technique so greatly that they could manifest or attract
something instantly which made it seem like magic (his magnet was very
strong to describe it in another way, so strong that it manifested at
the speed of light ...creating what people described as miracles...

ok back on track, you see I believe that at the moment all possible
realities are out there and it's the law of attraction which bring a
particular one to us...we're sort of like a giant Lan game or mmorpg
at the moment we are sharing the universe and our attracting of things
competes with everyone else's like a tug of war...hence he/she who
believes more gets..
this is how world order or secret societies work, they know the secret
of attraction and since no one else is using it to a high level they
basically have no resistance and are creating their reality for
everyone else...hence there playing god in a sense...that's the power
there so scared of losing cause if everyone had the same force of
attraction they would no longer be in control...everyone would get an
individual vote so to speak..
Now here is where there elite controller have got it wrong, they don't
realise what they're trying to control is an illusion
I believe that once a being learns to wield the law of attraction to
their full extent then what happens essentially is that, that person
becomes god but god in their own separated universe...like being
trapped in a permanent lucid dream were you control what your dream
becomes.....
cont'd next post

possibly another time in our future the lan
party or the mmorpg will break down as all beings will become aware of
their creative potential and hence they will drop out from the
collective universe and create their own universe in which they are
god and or have full control of their destiny....
This is the ultimate power, one I think the elite don't realise, when
it's all in your mind as such, there is infinite version of
everything, I can want a house and get it in my reality & someone else
can have the exact same house in there reality...
this unfortunately means that in a sense we are alone with our own
mind when we reach this state , but I think that's what god is , if
god is everything this is simply a game to him also , his own self
creating game that's all in his head.. We will all get to that level
the LAN party/matrix/mmo will cease
It will fall apart forcing everyone to log off and separate into their
own computer single player game as such rather than multiplayer,
collective game....
I believe the fact of conflicting created realities will cause this
separation just like how an alternate time line is created if you
theoretically go back and change something
if I have a god type skill of attraction, then can say I'm going to
create a red ball on my hand and so it will be, but in the collective
this wouldn't be possible as no one else chose the red ball so in
order for me to be able to create the red ball, I would have to be in
my own reality....
I sometimes feel that way now , I ask my friends , how can anyone
prove that they are really here and not a figment of my
imagination/dream.. in my dreams my friends are there but there are
all in my head, even though I'm playing golf with Dwayne for example
in this reality Dwayne is asleep at home while I'm playing with my
version of him in my dream...
So in closing life will become a dream and self conscious creating
dream were infinite joy/experience is possible...and if that is not
what becoming god means , then what is ???

this link lays out a pretty good landscape...

www.peterussell.com...

the hotlink is to the 4th chapter of a e-book,
[or choose the 'digest' version option at bottom of page]
there are other authors, but in not too long a time, they usually seem to degenerate into ?sophistry?

afraid i can't really navigate thru these deep waters in a text exchange,
i'm only able to flow...and dialogue any of these points in a verbal context where i can use similies in the world around us to present a case in point.... and to keep my own brain 'grounded'

...and 'That's The Way It Is'

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

your claim is interesting
completely unscientific in every way
but intersting none the less
fairly decent philosophy

Exactly where do you think science derived? It derived from philosophy. By the way,spiritconnections, I think you are closer to the truth than many would give you credit for.

[edit on 1-2-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

[edit on 1-2-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Exactly where do you think science derived? It derived from philosophy.

NO
the SCIENTIFIC METHOD is derived from philosophy
however, all spirit has is a hypothesis
and then some abstract reasoning

By the way,spiritconnections, I think you are closer to the truth than many would give you credit for.

some truth
i'll agree
something involving science
i'll disagree

Madness, ...Science is the study of the empirical... What I don't understand is that every time that someone talks about spiritual issues, someone is quick to point out, "Well that isn't scientific!!" Of course it's not,... science cannot prove nor disprove the spiritual.. So, it goes without saying that any discussion about spiritual issues are not going to be scientific... Why even interject to state it, over and over and over?

[edit on 1-2-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

speaker, there is a time and place for spiritual discussion
HOWEVER, when dealing with something scientific, like what is taught in the science curriculum
it is totally irrelevent
and, well
when you go into so called "alternative theories" to be taught alongside evolution, you have these completely unscientific things being taught in science class

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
speaker, there is a time and place for spiritual discussion
HOWEVER, when dealing with something scientific, like what is taught in the science curriculum
it is totally irrelevent
and, well
when you go into so called "alternative theories" to be taught alongside evolution, you have these completely unscientific things being taught in science class

You have a point about teaching creationism in the classroom - it should not be taught. But ID does deal with science, and it is not creationist. It propses a theory of creation just as evolution proposes a theory of creation.

"The Secret is based in Spirit.
It is also highly based in science.
Every single thing that exists in the universe is made of energy.
We are connected to every sinngle thing out there on a physical level.
Our thoughts are the energy that shape our lives.
This is not gurubabble. This is fact.
We can affect pur bodies through our thoughts, because thought affects the regenerative cycle of the flesh. We really can make ourselves what we want to be.
Contrary to popular belief, you are not a pawn or powerless.
Your life is your creation. Make it whatever brings you happiness.
I used to feel alone. Now I know I'm as one with all.
I saw the movie yesterday. I am forever changed.


[edit on 23-2-2007 by Spiralina]

[edit on 23-2-2007 by Spiralina]

Originally posted by spiritconnections
But ID does deal with science, and it is not creationist. It propses a theory of creation just as evolution proposes a theory of creation.

Sorry but ID is in no way science.
Dosent come close.