The story as I recall it is that all the evidence was destroyed or stolen back before it could be released.

Unless someone is willing to go to these places and look for these bases, and report back what they find, we are pretty well stuck with the rumors. Why don't any of our valiant New Agers with their powers of Astral Walking do a little of this work? Another idea: Rig up a little quadrocopter with a video camera and fly it over the area like a remote-controlled drone aircraft.

There is an article on Project Camelot about some bases in Norway. It showed the exact location of one entrance to one of these bases on a satellite map. I "drove" there using Google Maps and "took some pictures" of the place. It is a store built into the side of a rocky hill called "The Underground" or something like that. So, someone could go there and walk in and say, "so how do I get into the underground base?" and see what reply he gets.

If no one is willing to do this kind of work and make these places more real to us, why should we believe they exist?

Another example: There is an extensive cave system under a very wild hilly area in Vietnam. Recently a National Geographic camera crew went there and filmed the place. The place is totally incredible. If someone told you in writing that he had been to this place and seen those things, you would not believe him. But the photographs and video make it real. We know that photos and videos can be used to make fake things more "real" too!

So until we are all all-knowing beings, "knowledge" is mostly based on who's story seems most trustworthy, or gets repeated more often. It may be possible to discern the truth. But when there is a powerful force at work trying to hide that truth from us, it can be really difficult.

We are facing a basic problem of the physical universe: It is far easier (but also more cowardly) to make up stories about things you really know very little about, and make them seem true, than it is to actually go and look and then come back and say what you saw.

The problem of finding truth is carried on the backs of those with the courage and resources to go and look, then tell us what they found. Such people are quite rare on this planet.

You say these people have been caught in lies... what lies are you talking about? and where is the proof that they are lies

Just as some examples:

Schneider for instance, stated his father was a U-Boat commander in WW2. This is a lie. The simple answer to this one is that there was no U-boat commander in WWII with that name. Only 2 commanders with that last name in the war; Herbert Schneider died while in command of U-522 and Manfred Schneider only commander the small XXIII boat U-4706 for the last 3 months of the war, never on patrol. This story is just that, a story

He claims his cancer was caused by an ET weapon shot to the chest, yet the cancer was in his arm, not his chest, for starters, plus, his line of work exposed him to the cobalt radiation he claims was due to the "weapon".

The other issues are similar to issues with other claimed Dulce proponents. Namely, their details don't match (they are barely even similar, except for feeding off each other). There's a great thread here on ATS about Schneider, that goes into many other details.

Cooper is a complete nutter and paranoid who ended up getting killed in a police shootout. He made so many predictions of attacks, etc. that never came true, that there are even tons of videos out there on the web that detail where he was caught in lies. Simply Google on Bill Cooper fraud, and you'll find plenty.

Originally posted by l_e_cox
The story as I recall it is that all the evidence was destroyed or stolen back before it could be released.

If no one is willing to do this kind of work and make these places more real to us, why should we believe they exist?

Well this was done but the fact is that an alien base or human base located for this purposes of this kind of base would be too undercover and too secret. There have been witnesses to the entrances but they don't choose to speak or bring attention. I am convinced there has been physical evidence but not evidence to get in our hands.

As far as the evidence of the Dulce papers material, Ann West said currently that she was the only one aware of the buried box location and it still does exist. Ann has figures and drawings of a so called reptilian, she has claimed ther are associated with the Dulce base but doesn't mention seeing reptilians in any Dulce pictures, but that she "met" and reptilian in the desert after her son was exploring around a cave and ran into one. Ann gave an interview a couple months ago and in the same interview she said

A few months before, Tom had prepared the selected items and left them inside his office, he knew he would be taking the items, he just didn’t know exactly when. He retrieved the items and left the base through the ventilation shaft inside the small ice cave. Once outside the cave, he buried the items in a plastic box near two boulders. His next step was to leave New Mexico and to travel to Mexico. He didn’t return to dig up the box of documents and other proof until 1982, it was then, he showed me the information, the video, the documents and asked me if I knew of a place that is isolated, not too far away, that not too many people visit.

then

Tom became the head of security at Dulce. He worked there over two years, and became aware of the unethical practices; he and his co-workers started sabotaging the work. Ultimately, that ended when the military attacked the base and slaughtered the armed men, women, reptilian and greys. Tom escaped the attack and gathered proof of the genetic Base. That was in the end of October 1979, after the Dulce Wars, he buried the proof of the horrid genetic facility and went directly to Mexico. He returned in December 1979, visited me and reclaimed his proof before visiting with two other people before returning to Mexico.

When Norio Hayakawa was promoting Anthony Sanchez's book Ann replied to one of Norio's article's -

This fake "military man" that works as a "professor", except when he is working under a fake name.(what college would hire a "professor" with a assumed name???) and hangs out in parking lots is a joke. If he hides behind an assumed name, he can't be trustworthy. I was Tom Castello's best friend, on on Facebook and I DO not hide under assumed names. I am a real person, not a fabricated myth. Shame on you Norio publishing such junk. When the truth comes out, you will look like a fool.

Then in her recent interview she claimed she herself hid behind an assumed name -

Tom soon asked Cherry for help, "As his best friend, Tom asked to help me expose Dulce Base and I agreed to help. In 1987, I started sending the information to researchers all over the world. I tried to keep my own name out of it, freely sharing the information with researcher as long as they did not use my name. Over the years the stories about Tom and the Dulce Base became distorted and wild. Unethical writers started claiming unacceptable stories about Tom and I was discouraged about the lies. Finally, last year, I finally broke my silence and went public on Facebook.

Norio came back on his original article and edited these details.

"ANN WEST"......her true identity is not confirmed, although Tal Levesque claims that she is on Facebook with a different name (Cherry Hinkle, who claims that her "half-alien" cat has lived for 29 years).......alleged to have been an acquaintance of Tom Adams...claimed to have drawn the initial pictures of the vats of the Dulce base in 1987, yet claims to have never heard of Paul Bennewitz before.

Half-alien cat? Meeting reptiles in the desert? Giving us a bit of unmatching information then saving the rest for two books that are to be released. Unfortunetly the origins of the Thomas Castello story are suming up to be nothing more than stories as everybody expected. There is more questionable material and information that I did not mention, but the two new black and white pictures, they aren't bad. I wonder if more will be released.

Groom lake is merely a test vehicle area. nothing more, nothing less. It does not house some alien species. The craft that was taken there from Roswell was most likely one of our own craft that had crashed during testing.

My assumption is that it was more convenient to say the craft was of extraterrestrial origin than to reveal our secret technology to Soviet Russia.

Why have you replied to a topic which is 7 years old?

Originally posted by Cynicaleye
Why have you replied to a topic which is 7 years old?

You have your investigative priorities wrong if you are suggesting we should not bring new information to an old UFO case because the best UFO evidence happened 30 years ago.

Thanks for the question.