I've read stuff on the dulce base, it is said that someone got footage out, pictures, movies, papers.

But if this is true, why isn't it on net? or is it just a hoax?

If someone had it, why didn't they release it?

I've also watched that little movie floating around on the net, poor quality, still i believe that anyone could of filmed that as a hoax.

What are your thoughs?

Doing a search on "dulce" here should bring up the little crappy video thats online + the documents.

Its all bunk, IMO. Even the video of the alien laboratory that was supposed to be filmed by a security guard was obviously shot professionally or at least on a wheeled tripod for stability. Very silly stuff.

Well you just about summed up the current state of affairs.

But tell me this if I worked there and I smuggled out a film then tell me this:

1. how good would it be?
2. how many would believe me?
3. how many spooks would jump all over it?
4. how many cynics and debunkers would jump on it?
5. how much sense would it make to anyone seeing it?

just food for thought.

Good point...I guess thats up to the experts

Not To Be Smart But..

1. how good would it be? = crappy quality
2. how many would believe me? = small ammount
3. how many spooks would jump all over it? = few
4. how many cynics and debunkers would jump on it? =?
5. how much sense would it make to anyone seeing it? = not much

Exactly my point.

Never scare someone away that makes the attempt to break out of the system.

Be patient even if it tests your nerves because you must consider where they are coming from.

Sure there will be frauds but one good bit of evidence makes it all worth while IMHO.

You know, most every video ever made that was an honest to goodness real video will be and always have been called a fake. There is no way to really know sometimes. But I have seen the Dulce video clip and I think it's most likely a fake. Again, my opinion, nothing more.

What good would do to release some video? No one would believe you.

If you really want to make a differnce, chop an arm off one of the aliens floating in those tanks.

I believe if you do a google search for "Branton" and "Dulce" that you will find all you want to know.

Exactly.

All these videos and pictures are EXTREMELY blurry, ambiguous, out of focus, short, etc. Why? What prevented this guy from actually walking up to the tanks, or zooming in? Or paning around?

I'm not saying it couldn't be true, but c'mon, if it was REALLY your intent to get the truth out, or to have at least more substantive evidence, I would think you would do better to actually TRY and make it look real. Go up to the one of the "tanks" and get a close up of the alien, pan the camera around the room, etc. I know, the reply will be "well it's the best they could do" and blah blah blah, but it obviously ISN'T the best they could do. Because if you ACTUALLY DID get a camera in there to film that, what stopped you from zooming in on the tanks, or looking around the rest of the room?

I'm VERY wary of films or pictures that show juuuuust enough to make you think it MIGHT be real. That's how hoaxes work. If it's real, you can pick up on more details. If it's fake, it's way to short or blurry and people dismiss it. But if it's somewhere in the middle, it raises your eyebrow a little, and the hoaxer has done his job.

Originally posted by THENEO
Well you just about summed up the current state of affairs.

But tell me this if I worked there and I smuggled out a film then tell me this:

1. how good would it be?
2. how many would believe me?
3. how many spooks would jump all over it?
4. how many cynics and debunkers would jump on it?
5. how much sense would it make to anyone seeing it?

just food for thought.

i agree

ah, I remember this video. I got that off a site that had tons of credible books on the alien cover-up such as the ever-mysterious Alternative 3 book written in England and produced there but production was cut off by the Powers That Be, and it was never produced in America. It's rare to find a copy of that book. the site also had things like the supposed area 51 video taken from the base by a man who called himself Victor which shows 2 men interrogating a grey. It also had lots of other videos.

I'll admit that I'm very openminded and I don't necessarily consider every single movie to be a hoax at the start b/c I like to find evidence first or whatnot. although some can be hoaxes and some could also be real and we just doubted it. As for the dulce movie, I did find it intriguing that it was only 30 seconds long and I wondered why this guy who filmed it didn't do anything else but film a bunch of alien tanks from 5-10 feet away. this could and probably is some type of disinformation or a hoax considering the shortness and everything of it. I think that that other set of videos and documents could be hoax or it could be real. the main reason, if it is real, that I think it wasn't released is b/c perhaps the guy who has the stuff is afraid of what might happen to him. seeing how Phil Schneider did all those lectures and was murdered in 2000, it's not surprising that someone would want to hide the fact that they snuck footage from the people who want to take him out and not get in the spotlight for fear of themselves being murdered as well.

If Dulce base was real then security would be pretty tight right. So how come this guy was able to smuggle it out?

I had heard that this video was not actually taken by the guard. it is based on drawings that a woman did of the photographs that the guard took, then the japanese Nippon Television recreated the scene for a UFO documentary, hence why everything looks to stable, it's just a re-enactment. as for the guard (Thomas Castello) not releasing his info out of fear, he already has, why do you think you are seeing the video? Thomas claims to have given copies of all of his photos, documents, videos and the like to five separate people, to be released at a certain time. He has been on the run ever since. at the time that the Dulce Papers came out, he was living in a shanty in costa rica, which he paid 11 dollars for. he had since had his wife and child taken from him by the people at Dulce, and was promised their return in exchange for the return of everything that he took. he never did that, because he believed that 1) his family would not be returned to him, and 2) that if they were returned, they would be re-programmed. approximately 1 year after the Dulce papers came out, Thomas Castello disappeared and no-one has heard from him since. i'll give you a link when i find it. also, as for the quality of the video, i believe that it game out around 1991, though i could be wrong.

[edit on 28-4-2005 by Space_CowBoy33]

Dulce Base proof?

I've read stuff on the dulce base, it is said that someone got footage out, pictures, movies, papers.

But if this is true, why isn't it on net? or is it just a hoax?

If someone had it, why didn't they release it?

It's all over the web. Search on "Dulce Papers" and you'll find the papers easily enough. As for pictures circulating (of the lab, etc.) they are stills from a "B" Sci-Fi Movie (would have to look it up to say the title).

I've also watched that little movie floating around on the net, poor quality, still i believe that anyone could of filmed that as a hoax.

What are your thoughs?

No doubt you mean the alien interrogation vid with the little DNI in the corner, etc.? I believe there are some vid feeds of the stills mentioned above though too that might be out there.

Bottom line, Dulce is a complete hoax imho. There isn't much GOOD evidence to support it, and those who've testified to it are highly suspect and have been caught in numerous lies (i.e. Cooper, Schneider, Branton, etc. etc.) Also, common sense tells you that it's a pretty ridiculous location for such a facility (i.e. Indian land), when there are NUMEROUS top secret bases and military land areas nearby.

Originally posted by Gazrok

Dulce Base proof?

I've read stuff on the dulce base, it is said that someone got footage out, pictures, movies, papers.

But if this is true, why isn't it on net? or is it just a hoax?

If someone had it, why didn't they release it?

It's all over the web. Search on "Dulce Papers" and you'll find the papers easily enough. As for pictures circulating (of the lab, etc.) they are stills from a "B" Sci-Fi Movie (would have to look it up to say the title).

I've also watched that little movie floating around on the net, poor quality, still i believe that anyone could of filmed that as a hoax.

What are your thoughs?

No doubt you mean the alien interrogation vid with the little DNI in the corner, etc.? I believe there are some vid feeds of the stills mentioned above though too that might be out there.

Bottom line, Dulce is a complete hoax imho. There isn't much GOOD evidence to support it, and those who've testified to it are highly suspect and have been caught in numerous lies (i.e. Cooper, Schneider, Branton, etc. etc.) Also, common sense tells you that it's a pretty ridiculous location for such a facility (i.e. Indian land), when there are NUMEROUS top secret bases and military land areas nearby.

You give more reasons to believe it's a true story then lie... That land you speak of... is owned by the Indians only on top and they have had an agreement to let government use parts of the Mesa for years. You say these people have been caught in lies... what lies are you talking about? and where is the proof that they are lies and that the government hasn't covered up yet another situation? IMHO I believe this to be true. Read all the ancient Indian religions that talk about serpent gods. In fact serpents and reptiles are referred to over and over again throughout history and can be seen in many ancient artifacts. Even the bible gives several references as well. I do not understand how people can believe in angels and demons but not aliens...

It makes zero sense...