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reply posted on 27-3-2007 @ 02:18 PM by johnlear
Originally posted by Mike_A
What would I consider evidence? Anything that fits the dictionary definition of evidence.

For the purposes of this thread I would consider “actual evidence” to be something that is verifiable, from an unbiased, first hand source that suggests the existence of an underground base at Dulce.



Webster's 21st Century dictionary:

ev'i-dence 1. matter supporting an argument. 2. make evident

Sorry Mike_A, let me respectfully suggest that you will have to do way, way, way better than that. What specifically do you consider evidence of the existence of a Joint US/Alien underground base near the town of Dulce?


Though the real question is what do you consider evidence, provide that and let other make informed decisions.




We have already been through this Mike_A. I am totally convinced that Dulce exists. I am not trying to sell anybody that Dulce exists. It doesn't matter to me what they believe or why. If others want to make informed decisions then they should gather that evidence themselves because nothing I could or would provide would be enough.

As I have mentioned before nobody is going to get evidence of Dulce existence sitting on a chair in front of a screen. I would suggest a back back of a sleeping bag, a camera, a few days of provisions then hike up on the top of the Archuletta Mesa and spend a few days and nights hiking around. If you are not willing to do that then you are probably not all that interested in finding out about whether or not the Joint US/Alien base of Dulce really exists.


reply posted on 27-3-2007 @ 03:21 PM by johnlear
Originally posted by Mike_A
So you won’t or can’t provide any evidence then? Is that correct?


What kind of evidence would you prefer? A notarized statement by a current security guard at Dulce? Maybe a picture of the inside of the Dulce labs, showing human body parts floating in a large vat? Maybe a video tape of a hallway where little grey aliens pass back and forth?

Or maybe the cafeteria with all kinds of weird aliens having human scientists and security guards for lunch? How about a hand drawn diagram of all 7 levels with notations of which level is which with a notation by VP Cheney that this is the real thing? Perhaps a 30 second cassette tape of the screams of agony and despair from "nightmare hall". (If nothing else you can take it and get an evening with Art Bell and we won't have to listen to Mel's Hole anymore.)

Don't be bashful Mike_A, SPEAK UP! What evidence would you accept that you would post on this thread, "By Gosh! I now totally believe John Lear that a Joint US/Alien 'Underground base exists near Dulce, New Mexico!"

Out of interest what makes your truth different to the “propaganda” that “they” produce?


Please refresh my memory Mike_A..what is my 'truth' and what is 'their propanganda'? Thanks.

Without reasoned evidence isn’t what you say just propaganda?


Ahh! "Reasoned evidence". Perhaps you could be just a teeny tiny bit more explicit. If you would like me talk in a "logical way' you are going to have to let me know exactly what it is you want me to talk about. (Please see above.) Thanks for your post Mike_A, most enjoyable.


reply posted on 27-3-2007 @ 04:19 PM by yfxxx
Originally posted by johnlear
What kind of evidence would you prefer?


Ok, let's go ...

Most importantly, no testimonials (by no-one, not even the POTUS ), only physical evidence! We've had enough stories by now.

For starters, the evidence could be:
- Photographs of artifacts on the surface of the alleged facility, like e.g. vents, access doors, surveillance equipment, intrusion sensors, whatever. Photos must include a readable display of a hand-held GPS receiver, so that others can independently verify the location of said artifacts. There must be some access to the facility, and because the surface is allegedly no restricted area, one should be able to obtain such photographic evidence.
- Videos of operations near the alleged base, in a quality which makes it possible to actually discern something. Nighttime video which shows only blobs of light won't do. Again, a GPS display must be in frame at least once.

(As for the GPS data requirement, it's simply necessary because otherwise you could photograph/film just about anything anywhere.)

More advanced evidence would involve smuggling of material by base personnel. So, photographs and videos from inside the base would be appreciated, together with GPS receiver data.

So far, all this evidence could also be faked. Therefore the more complex (and therefore difficult to fake for amateurs) a video is, the more compelling it is as evidence. Therefore I exclude printed documents, because these are just too easy to fake.. Sorry, but extraordinary claims require more than "vanilla" evidence.

Finally, the best evidence would of course be physical artifacts, like, say, an alien tool. I think we can assume that the aliens brought some of their hardware themselves. A metallurgic lab can quickly prove, if some artifact is of terrestrial origin or not. At least, a piece of metal which could be extraterrestrial takes more means to fake than are available to the general public. I agree that such an alien artifact would only be very strong evidence of the presence of extraterrestrials on this planet, but not necessarily at Dulce. However, if someone proves that the ETs are here, I'll grant you the existence of Dulce for free .

So, that's it. Now, Mr. Lear, please show us any evidence as defined above. But I won't hold my breath ...

Regards
yf

P.S.: @Mike_A: Do you want to add anything, which could count as evidence, too?
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