Dulce Underground Base Alien War Question, page 1

Originally posted by shadow fax
Hi Lex

Originally posted by Lexion
Shadow Fax,
In my opinion, you are both incorrect, and ignorant.

how am i incorrect and ignorant?

Tim has asked a legitimate, and honest question.

To belittle him is wrong. Wrong, I say.

oh? you just said im ignorant, how is that different?

If we were in a public setting, and you made such a statement about anyone, you Sir, would have a crippled guy show you who is wrong.

are you suggesting it is worse to be corrected by a crippled man as opposed to a an able-bodied man? thats fairly condescending. Maybe you formulated that inaccurately?

Since this is a forum, all I can do is call you out.

Prove your statements, or apologise to Tim.

Lex

i did in the initial post. the timeline that is used as a backup of his question is incomplete. And because his presence in the Dulce threads is so prelevant, i think he either forgot about those sets of documents on purpose or by accident.

Strange, because my post is based on the thread up to that point! You are taking cheap shots here by dodging my point entirely. I was confused by the post that started this whole discussion. What I read seemed to say John had written the documents. I was looking for clarification.

I believe this is the timeline, but its not unlikely its incorrect as well:
JL was contacted about those doc's/dulce in 87, spent a load of time hunting the documents down and wrote the dulce papers in 88 (if memory serves me correct). that means the original docs were assembled before 87 and that also means that if the story was made up, than its most likely made up by someone else rather that JL, perhaps the person that contacted him in 87?

Exactally why are incorrect timelines being used to prove events? That does not make much sense.

Nonetheless, Tim starts his post with: "So the Entire Dulce story was created by John Lear!" thereby stating fact, where its not yet a fact, merely an opinion derived from incomplete facts.

That's what it seemed to be saying!

John Lear appears to being saying in his last post that both Cooper and Schneider got their information form him. Now that things have cooled a bit, may I ask you to join me in revisiting an old thread:

Where did the Dulce Story Come From

The point hammered over and over in that thread is that Phil Schnider started the Dulce Story as we know it.

I will however admit that I just noticed one thing I had missed before:

Bennewitz had been interested in UFOs, and had conducted his own investigations into the subject. He became convinced that the so-called Cattle mutilations were due to aliens after he met Myrna Hansen, who was hypnotized by University of Wyoming psychologist R. Leo Sprinkle. Under hypnosis, Hansen offered a detailed account of being kidnapped by aliens and taken to an underground base in what she thought was New Mexico;

The Problem is that all this is really saying is that Bennewitz met a woman who under hypnosis claimed to have been taken to an underground base she Thought was in New Mexico.

How exactly did we jump from veigue information on a military base to the huge story that everyone on ATS is running around with. This little snippit in itself doesn't constitiute the Dulce Story everyone is talking about now with the multi-level UFO base, ET's, and all the other Junk people are talking about.

What the thread also seem to be saying is that our very own Mr. John Lear heard about this encounter and put it together with a large collection of other UFO reports he has filed away. This suggest that the Dulce Story was built from John's private UFO files. Which lead back to my origional post about John creating the Dulce Story.

now tell me Lex, how am i incorrect? or ignorant?

I'm not Lex, but I'll answer both questions for you:

You said I used incomplete facts: On the contrary, I've been pulling together inforation from every thread ATS has on the subject as well as some other online sources. You might wish to point out that these facts are not complete. I will point out to you that based on the information avalible, these facts are pretty complete! Like anything connected to an alleged conspiracy, Noone EVER has ALL of the FACTS!

Even more well known topics such as the history of Groom Lake A.K.A. Area 51 is full of things we still do Not know. To expect someone to have all of the facts and details on anything discussed on ATS is both Foolish and Arrogent! You have insaulted people in your effort to prove your oppinion, also arrogent.

Also, I Never denyed that others didn't give John ideas that he worked off of. Almost every idea has it's origins in another idea.

Here's a Quick Recap of the post:

-John Lear started off collecting UFO and and Alien Abduction reports

-Amoug them is a story about a lady who was abducted and taken to what she believed to be New Mexico

-John reviews these reports and peices together details that the stories have in common (This is how all researcher compile data)

- John Identifed a Focal Point of UFO/ET activity around Dulce NM.

-Based on his finding, John concludes that there is a large underground base in Dulce!

- Mr. Lear creates the "Dulce Papers" detailing an alleged secret facilty in Dulce NM.

This takes us back to my Origional Post! John built the Dulce story off of a collection of reports. This story was written down in the Dulce Papers, which where then passed on to others like Phil Schnider and Cooper.

Hence, we return to the conclusion which started this whole debate: John Lear Created the Dulce Story!

The fact that John used scraps of second hand info from other folks to build on doesn't in ANY WAY change that fact! If anything, it supports it by proving how he was able to do it so well.

Now shadow fax, I believe I have PROVEN my point for the Second time. I believe you owe a few appolagies!

Tim

P.S. I am an Adult, please do Not adderss me as if I were a child (I go by Tim NOT timmy.)