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A Libertarian Response To The State of the Union

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df1

posted on Jan, 25 2007 @ 05:44 PM
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You won't hear a Libertarian response on broadcast tv, cable, satellite or radio, however you will have the opportunity to read it here. I wonder if Kucinich intends the "fairness doctrine" to be applied to Libertarians this time around, the last time it didn't.


My fellow Americans,

Earlier this evening, America listened as President George W. Bush addressed a joint session of Congress, fulfilling his Constitutional duty to report annually to Congress on "the state of the union." Shortly thereafter, Virginia Senator Jim Webb delivered the Democratic Party's response to his report.

I am not privileged to address you tonight over broadcast televison or radio; my party's opinions are considered unworthy of coverage by the "mainstream media." A response, however, is required, and I accept the responsibility for making it as an American, a presidential candidate, and hopefully a worthy, although not official, representative of my party.

The union, President Bush tells us, is strong. And he may be right. What he does not admit is that the union is weaker now than when he took office.
Kubby For President Website



ape

posted on Jan, 25 2007 @ 05:49 PM
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libertarians will eventually replace the socialist class warefare party aka the democratic party in due time.

talk radio! plenty of libertarians getting their word out, and more and more people tune into talk radio rather than the dishonest liberal media thats starting to get on everyones nerves.

the fairness doctrine is scary, dems have no class and are ruthless.

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df1

posted on Jan, 25 2007 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by ape
lthe fairness doctrine is scary, dems have no class and are ruthless.

As opposed to the GOP which has no class and is ruthless. The difference between the two escapes me.

We have the Republican leadership that pass the patriot act(s), then this new governmental power is passed to the democrats which will not repeal it, but they will use to their own advantage against the public. The dems will then pass the fairness doctrine, then in a few years the reps will get voted back in and they will have both the patriot act & fairness doctrine to beat on the public.

This is a closed system of corruption which contains nothing patriotic or fair.

So how about those Libertarians?


ape

posted on Jan, 25 2007 @ 08:12 PM
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hmm from what i can recall its replican conservatives and libertarians who are on board with the fairtax, the people that were in power were republican liberals. cmon man dont hop behind party lines like that. i'm an independant BTW because I have the feeling you're assuming im a republican.

wasnt the fairness doctrine reintroduced by the democrats? and it's the republicans who are fighting it? I think you're a bit confused.

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posted on Jan, 25 2007 @ 08:34 PM
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I'm no expert on the subject. But I believe the American people are slowly starting to see the... Stupidity(?) of the two party system. How can you be a true democratic nation when all the parties don't get equal coverage, or hell... Even equal space in a voting booth?

I still have faith that the system will correct itself... Sometime in the next century at least!


df1

posted on Jan, 25 2007 @ 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by ape
hmm from what i can recall its replican conservatives and libertarians who are on board with the fairtax,

The congress doesn't have any Libertarians, so how is it possible that they are on board?


Libertarian Party of Colorado
As Legislative Director, I have read "The Fair Tax Book" and the associated proposed legislation. I have also read critical analysis of the "Fair Tax" plan from authoritative sources such as the Mises Institute. I invite everyone the read about these flaws in the plan at:
The Fair Tax Fraud
www.mises.org...

There is No Such Thing as a Fair Tax
www.mises.org...

The FAIRTAX: A TROJAN HORSE FOR AMERICA?
www.jpfo.org...

Fair Tax not what it appears
www.commonvoice.com...


Explain again how libertarians support the "fairtax"..
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ape

posted on Jan, 25 2007 @ 10:03 PM
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dont link up articles that are outdated and have already been debunked such as the mises and the JPFO, got it? libertarians support fairtax wether they are in congress or not that wasn't my point, the point is the libertarians and conservatives and independants support fairtax and are the ones pushing it ( neal boortz is an example, larry elder ). just because the whole party or some libertarian websites are not on board with the idea yet ( and the majority are ) does not mean libertarians dont support it.

stop posting up irrelevant material.

haha you googled up those links without doing the research thats more current which debunks those links and proves them as manipulators, thats pretty pathetic. those websites are garbage misinformation.

the JPFO article is 3 years old, here is the breakdown on when it first came out, people got the scoop on it right away.

www.freerepublic.com...

read the reviews on the bottom, you have the misinformed to begin with and then 'ancient_geezer' comes in and breaks it down accurate fashion. this is just one of your links, I can pick apart the rest if you want. stop posting outdated information especially information that was debunked when it came out 3 years ago.


coudlnt help myself here is a pdf file that debunks vance from AFT, the mises have been debunked for awhile now, rewriting HR25. fake libertarians.

www.fairtax.org...

this adresses the mises slander in 05 and in 06.

here is a rebuttal to mises in 05 which is excellent

www.freerepublic.com...

another another from AFT

www.fairtaxblog.com...



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[edit on 26-1-2007 by ape]



posted on Jan, 26 2007 @ 12:57 PM
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Forget I ever asked for more info on FairTax.


df1

posted on Jan, 26 2007 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by ape
neal boortz is an example...

I could claim to be the "the cat in the hat", but that wouldn't make it so. Boortz is an obnoxious entertainer that claims to be libertarian to line his pocket in talk radio, but is not one. Everybody thinks he's a libertarian because he supports drug legalization and he plays it to beat the band.



debunks those links and proves them as manipulators

Debunk and prove away with actual libertarians.



article is 3 years old

Math is done the same way today as it was 3 years ago.



www.freerepublic.com...

A republican den of inequity.



fake libertarians.

You cite Boortz the biggest fraud of all.
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ape

posted on Jan, 26 2007 @ 02:26 PM
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boortz a fraud? mises was DEBUNKED and so was the JPFO, what you're doing now is being intellectually dishonest because I have provided proof how they were debunked and the math is correct. please post where I said freerepublic was libertarian? I used it as a source to back up my claim about the JPFO and mises along with AFT which is a bi partisan group, there are plenty more if needed. check this out since you're a google king, go to google and type in ' libertarians for fairtax' and see what comes up, christ.

you're a disgrace to the libertarian party if you even are one being dishonest like that taking peoples own verison of HR25 and not the original bill, thats exactly what the presidents tax panel did. please provide proof boortz is a fraud? and please provide proof fairtax is a fraud because the research has been done and fairtax is a bi partisan bill. your little driveby comments dont do you any good.

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df1

posted on Jan, 26 2007 @ 03:04 PM
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ape,
I'm not an ideologue of any kind, libertarian, Libertarian or otherwise; so it is quite futile for you to attempt insulting me on that basis. Do you even know the differences between a libertarian, a Libertarian and a conservative republican?



posted on Jan, 26 2007 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by ape
boortz a fraud?


He's as Libertarian as I am.


ape

posted on Jan, 26 2007 @ 07:23 PM
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I'm not an ideologue of any kind, libertarian, Libertarian or otherwise; so it is quite futile for you to attempt insulting me on that basis. Do you even know the differences between a libertarian, a Libertarian and a conservative republican?


you mean left-libertarians?, try not to be misleading. of course i know the difference in ranks between the Liberarians, basically Libertarians and conservative republicans have a similar idealog and the left-libertarians are more likely to take leftist stances on issues like feminism, sexuality and gender, class, race, immigration etc etc.. sorry for not being more clear.


now please answer my questions and justify your comments about fairtax as I have answered all of your distorted questions, personally I find it insulting when one is intellectually dishonest with another person, that is why I adressed you the way I did and I felt it was justified.









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posted on Jan, 26 2007 @ 11:09 PM
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Although I can't say I agree with Libertarian aims 100%, I have to agree with lost sailor that Americans seem to be awakening to the defects of politics in general and that if the Libertarians can represent a solution then they are likely to gain increasing traction in the future.

So here's the question I'd like to pose (since the recent election has found a surprising number of Libertarians on this board):

Aside from the policy failings of the agenda laid out in the state of the union, there were arguably symptoms of serious systemic failings, notably a lack of respect for the War Powers Resolution represented by Bush's implication that he felt he could rush the troops in and that the Democrats wouldn't dare try to pull them out once they were in harms way. The War Powers Resolution covers not only the initiation hostilities but significant increases in US combat forces.

Libertarians just don't get the big media coverage that the major parties do, so I rarely get to hear an explanation of their ideas in their own words in the kind of personal format that can give a sense of credibility. Enter this thread. I'd be interested in hearing from our Libertarian members on matters such as that which I used as an example.


df1

posted on Jan, 27 2007 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by The Vagabond
So here's the question I'd like to pose (since the recent election has found a surprising number of Libertarians on this board)

Most folks that call themselves libertarian are not card carrying members of the Libertarian Party (LP). At election time these lowercase libertarians tend to vote as independents rather than for LP candidates. The party itself has experienced no growth and it has no clue how to get libertarian candidates elected, so don't hold your breath waiting for the LP to seize the day.



posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 09:18 PM
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Well to better the call to arms for America I would vote satan into office before I vote a Republican or Democrat into office. The political landscape as it is today is outdated. Republican,Conservative,Democrat,Liberal view points are growing fast outdated. For our country to move forward we have to put fresh idea's into power. The last 50 years we have been putting the same groups of power brokers and elite into power. This circle has to be broken. As a independant I would be glad to vote a fresh party into power



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