NESARA is a scam to give people hope that free money is coming there way and all debts will be eliminated. Dont waste your time on it.

(To the Illuminati) Your continued attempt at economic, biological, military, and nuclear perfidy upon your own citizens as well as the citizens of other sovereign countries and indeed the planet itself is ended. There have been YEARS of meetings and very empty promises, and no progress on agreements made.

This is an empty claim, and misappropriation of the term Illuminati.

As an Illuminist myself, I can tell you that while the writer of this nonsense probably had good intentions - the entire proposition he offers is laden with the classic signs of propaganda for personal gain.

Please be wary.

I saw on another thread that you are a self initiated illuminatist. I think they are talking about the 'cabal' or the reptilian illuminati. No, i have not seen one myself, i just believe they exist from police reports, other people seeing them, etc, what do these people have to gain from saying they saw one? Only something to lose. NESARA has been saying this stuff for years, i just wanna see some results, or have faith i guess. maybe its easier to believe in something you cant see than something you CANT see :-P

Originally posted by GENERAL EYES



This is an empty claim, and misappropriation of the term Illuminati.

As an Illuminist myself, I can tell you that while the writer of this nonsense probably had good intentions - the entire proposition he offers is laden with the classic signs of propaganda for personal gain.

Please be wary.

General Eyes, some clarification here. You see, this is why there is so much confusion. The illuminatti and the illuminists are actually two separate movements, to my knowledge.

General Eyes, the illuminatti is a group of individuals who are attempting to gain political control of the world's governments through corruption and deceit... From what I understand, illuminists arose from the mystery schools and have no direct correlation with the illuminatti... Correct me if I am wrong, but that is my understanding.

...a group of individuals who are attempting to gain political control of the world's governments through corruption and deceit... From what I understand, illuminists arose from the mystery schools and have no direct correlation with the illuminatti... Correct me if I am wrong, but that is my understanding.

I understand the confusion, SpeakerofTruth...no hard feelings whatsoever.

I just find it sad that Illuminati - a word whose definition means (literaly translated) "enlightened ones" is being used to refer to a group of materialistic and unspiritual beings.

It's a common use of the word these days, I guess in my quest to deny ignorance I would like to enlighten (pardon the pun) the masses to the true meaning of the word.

In the context it's commonly used in the conspiracy circles - it tends to become a bit of an oxymoron unto itself.

A better spelling for those guys would be "IllumiNAUGHTY" for all the bad behavior and misuse of their knowledge and power.

I think what it is referring to is the bavarian illuminati that started from adam weishaupt, then the infiltrated the freemasons, theyre using it as a general term for the cabal that runs the country. Anyone can become illumened, or enlightened, but usually the illuminati as you know is referrering to the BBB&G's
(Big Bad Boys and Girls) that run the world, such as the bilderburgers, trilateral commision, the 13 main families, etc.

heres a great video on someone who actually WAS in the illuminati, a freemason, and in the church of satan. He is now a christian and although i dont consider his analysis 100% objective, its still really good. Watch it and tell me what you think!
here ya go:

Exposing the Illuminati within

part 1

Google Video Link

part 2

Google Video Link

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Funny - that type of person is what I consider to BE "illuminaughty".

I mean, if you listen to what he's saying - he's just pointing fingers, throwing out information that contains LOADS of information on what the "illuminati" DO - but never once proposes how to live a life free from their influences.

There is no knowledge here - just repetition of old wives tales and more fearmongering in search of an audience. In other words, he's using the subject of the "illuminati" and attendant conspiracy as a springboard for HIS own agenda.

Isn't that the very thing he's claiming to be AGAINST?

If Iwere to really get deep with it - I'd suspect he's just using his platform to attack those he feels are threats to HIM and HIS way of life.

If he's truely a Christian, he shouldn'tt be judging and pointing fingers. He should know it's all part of God's Divine Plan.

(no offense intended - but these are tried and true propagandist techniques he's employing...)

*edit for spelling

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Well, i believe he has one of the most 'objective' opinions out there because he was a defector, actually IN the cabal are you sure you watched the whole thing?
I dont care for the guy too much, but the information is good.

I respect your opinions - but I still feel he's stretching some of his statistics, just a little bit for impact.

It's a compelling video, I agree on that issue - bit he's still trying to profit off of this information. That doesn't sit well with me for some reason.

The main reason why I cannot equate Illuminati with these ties of Satanism, is because I have met so many people who fall into the bloodliners.

My family knows some people in some pretty powerful positions, and we're all good folk - just human, and not perfect by any means.

If I might be so bold as to suggest it is not the entire "13 Bloodlines" that are committing these atrocities - but only one within them. The proverbial "black sheep" and Judas of the Families.

It seems to me that this 13th faction seeks to discredit the most powerful of the Families in order to gain a foothold over the mind sof the people and topple their rivals businesses from the outside. THAT is a very Satanic mentality - destroy your enemies.

Maybe a closer look should be given to what these other 12 families have contributed to the world and humanity as a whole - I mean, if they ARE the owners of corporations that provide goods and services that most people take for granted - how is that a bad thing?

Business is buisness - but linking the business world with Satanism is a bit too far fetched to me.

That's how I've always seen it - but it seems no one else has made the distinction.

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I dont think he is profiting at all, i dont think the prophecy club pays the orator to do lectures... but i could be wrong.

Overall, I liked the shows... All except for the last 30 minutes of the 2nd video, he goes psycho for a while there, lol.

He has some very good theories on all this stuff, and he backs it up well, considering...

There is nothing wrong with large business and driving profit. Where would the world be without businesses (small and giant) driving profit? In fact I think it's one of the best things you can be a part of, as long as you are ethical, and most are. What % are the unethical? Very small %, but they are the ones that get on the news.

Thank you for watching the videos novise, any other views? what do you think about his claims about the mormons? pretty crazy huh? i believe it though. Yeah he did go pretty pshyco hehe

His ideas just made way to much sense and presented very well. It was quite eerie.

He had me convinced all the way through, but I really do always give a speaker the benefit of the doubt. About halfway through I just had to tell myself to take it with a grain of salt, but I had to tell myself that, this guy had his arguments covered easily. Even when he starts yelling at the end, he has the argument for it.

Ok so what sticks out...

The Mormons: The timeframe of its founding and going along with his chronological presentation of occultism, and the way it was founded are huge points he makes. The timing was just too good, and the rest is icing. Also, notice how most Mormons have a lot of kids. Going along with the child abuse of Crowley's occultism, terribly sick and eerie. I'm sorry if you are a Mormon, but listen to him yourself, maybe you will see how a small % of Mormons could actually be doing this. And why do you have 7-10 kids per family? I think it's safe to assume that 1 or 2 % of ANY church, do wicked things. Mormon or not.

Aliens: He had the best explanation for aliens I have heard. Also, this isn't the first time that the great flood has made issues with many theories of bloodlines, races, species, etc. Those that shouldn't have survived the flood but appear later in the Bible. His argument that these all come from fallen angels or demons fornicating with humans, gives a good reason for how this could all continue post-flood.

The versions of the Bible: I agree with him here, it would be so easy for the Bible to "evolve" with all the versions coming out every year. I have always thought this was possible. There are 30,000 different versions of christianity, and 4,000 versions of the Bible? That's lovely isn't it.

Do you need to be a mason to move up in satanism: I seriously don't believe that. I think he's just trying to tie satanism to his argument, because satan is what christians see as everything/anything that is evil. But I couldn't be sure. EDIT: Laveyan Satanism does not believe in Satan as a Deity, but people assume that, so it was useful for the speaker to tie the two together, even though there is no relation, there would be in his audience's heads.

I personally do not see occultism as an us vs. them type thing. I see it as a way to find your own answers to life's mysteries, and to become a better person. I see Laveyan Satanism as a good way to get things out of your system, and a great way to look at yourself in the mirror and not be too hypocritical. I am probably naive but I think that modern occultism, and the Satan of the Bible, are two different things.

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Yeah i agree with everything you say, im not mormon but it is kind of weird about what he says is going on. He did say there was good and bad aliens didnt he? Because thats what i believe, yeah he starts ranting about how the king james bible is the only 'good' bible. I think its probably actually the other way around and every other bible is just as good if anything. The king james version is just the version that King James PAID for, it didnt have anything special to do with jesus or anything. If you know any more christians have them watch these two movies, id like to know what they think.

But back to the original topic. So this website is saying that Sananda (supposedly jesus) is helping remove the 'bad' illuminati with his Et freinds. I believe sananda could be jesus and i believe in ET's, its just that NESARA has been saying this for a long time now.

just wondering...is there anyway i can save this video or at least the audio to my ipod? i started watching it but i really would like to listen to it at work. if nobody knows then no big deal..ill just watch it on google thanks....btw thanks for the video.

Originally posted by Funkydung
just wondering...is there anyway i can save this video or at least the audio to my ipod? i started watching it but i really would like to listen to it at work. if nobody knows then no big deal..ill just watch it on google thanks....btw thanks for the video.

If you have a video ipod you can definately, but im not sure if you can with just an audio ipod..ill look it up

ok here we go, this is the instuctions for ipod

To download a video to your iPod using iTunes version 7.0, please follow these steps:

1. Search on Google Video and select the video you'd like to download.
2. Select "Video iPod/Sony PSP" from the drop-down menu to the right of the video and click the "Download" button. If these options don't appear, the video in question isn't available for download.
3. Save the video to a location on your computer.
4. Connect your iPod to your computer and open the Apple iTunes application.
5. In iTunes, select "File" > "Add File to Library." Browse for the video you downloaded, then click "Open."
6. Select the "Movies" tab.
7. Check the "Sync movies" box.
8. Click "Apply."

To download a video to your iPod using iTunes version 6.0 or earlier, please follow these steps:

1. Search on Google Video and select the video you'd like to download.
2. Select "Video iPod/Sony PSP" from the drop-down menu to the right of the video and click the "Download" button. If these options don't appear, the video in question isn't available for download.
3. Save the video to a location on your computer.
4. Connect your iPod to your computer and open the Apple iTunes application.
5. In iTunes, select "File" > "Add File to Library." Browse for the video you downloaded, then click "Open."
6. In iTunes, select "Edit" > "Preferences" > "iPod" > "Videos" > "Automatically update all videos." Click "OK" when you're done.

Once you've followed these steps, iTunes will automatically copy the video to your iPod. To play the video on your iPod, select "Videos" > "Movies."

hope this helps

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This is just a Scam!

I'm sorry folks but this is rediculous!

"THERE WILL BE THOSE CLAIMING TO BE HE"

CHRIST even said be watchful/mindful of those claiming to come in HIS NAME.

Keep Vigilant!

Be aware of your stature in life and the Crown of Glory!

I'm sorry but this is down-right rediculous!

The Lord said in the last days (Daniel/Revolation):

'People will run to and fro seeking knowledge'

For God sakes...wisen up people!

Yea sorry, there is no way for that website to prove what it says.

And don't get me wrong, I liked the video, but all this stuff has to be taken with a grain of salt. I was rather excited about how well he told the stories, and how well he backed them up... But you always have to reserve a little judgement in cases like this.

When it comes to things like this, I don't look for answers, I look for theories. He had a lot of them, and he even said they were theories usually.

Yeah i know, i do also take this with a grain of salt, i just wanted to see what other people would think about it. It does seem interesting. I mean, if there is going to be a 'second coming' in his human form, it would be cool if he and his freinds arrested the STS cabal.