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Originally posted by crgintx
The name of Paolo Solieri's village is ArcoSanti. It an amazing work of architecture but I seriously doubt that humanity is ready to give it's consumerism.
Originally posted by crgintx
That said I believe that consumerism is about to take a strange turn as more and more people are aware that unbridled materialism isn't going to be sustainable. Welcome to the age of the enlightened consumer.
Originally posted by crgintx
Consumers are starting to demand fair trade products. No govt interference necessary. Many corporations are looking beyond the next quarter's earning statement at long term survivability.
Originally posted by crgintx
Every wonder why many Latin American countries despise the US? Just ask them about Dole or the United Fruit Company .
Well, considering the alternative is anarchy and barbarism, I'd rather take the feedback.
Yeah, but, ummm... that's what people are. Worker bees.
Consider this. If you removed civilization altogether, even to the point of taking away all material possessions, house, car, tools, clothing, etc... and put man back to square one in terms of what they have, what would man do?
How do you presume that these needs be met without work? Should they just fall out of the sky? Should he steal them from his neighbor? Or should mankind remain unevolved, unadaptive, and live only in a reactionary state to his environment? If your opinion is the latter, I invite you to examine the neanderthals and their fate, as this was the case with them, and they eventually died out, natural selection favoring sapiens for their ability to plan ahead and imagine the future and work towards it.
Homo Sapiens will always seek work because in order to satisfy our needs we must first be productive. Even if it is their own isolated house, in the middle of nowhere, with narry another human around for miles, they must work to eat, they must work to keep a shelter, keep it in good repair, work to store food through the winter, work to have firewood to keep warm, etc... Work, work, work. Those that do not work will either die of exposure or starvation, or they will have to have their needs met through the labor of someone else. In other words, a non-worker becomes a parasite.
That's a pretty bleak outlook on life. One wonders why bother even getting up in the morning, when eventually you know you'll probably just die someday anyway, or you could get shot, or you could end up having to breathe polluted air, or you might end up witnessing a war. I'm sorry to say that is a mindset that will get weeded out by neccessity once adversity rears its ugly head, because once adversity hits, it's either stand up or lay down. Me, I like standing.
Originally posted by undercoverchef
thelibra - Thanks for your well thought out and well constructed replies
I don't agree with most of what you say but do respect your opinion and also am a realist enough to know that, should there be a Situation X, yours would be the most likely outcome.
Originally posted by undercoverchef
There is no reason to believe that early man (aboriginals) behaved like savages... If we look at the hunter gatherer society's that still exist they are mainly peaceful people who enjoy a good life.