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Originally posted by Flyboy211
Originally posted by Togetic
I am forced to agree; how could anyone in their right mind think that this is the logical way to go? Steven Greer claimed that the earth leadership was "eschatological" in their thinking--meaning that they were looking towards Biblical Armageddon--but given his past statements and lack of proof, I find that incredibly hard to believe.
Double eh..I haven't seen anyone especially Ronald Reagan advocating that it was the "logical way to go" lol. Ronald Reagan was formerly an actor, he must've had a penchant for dramatics and theatricality. Referring to a conflict with an extra-terrerstrial race was his way of showing our common bond.
Originally posted by Flyboy211
Eh lol?
I think you misunderstood the purpose of that speech.
Originally posted by CidCaldensfey
If could attack an E.T., I would so do it. Just think of how much money an alien body would be.
Hell, in the game X-Com: UFO Defense, one of the best ways to make cash to buy more weapons was by selling the corpses of aliens to different countries around the world for megacash.
What an awesome job that would be. Oh man, lol...E.T. farming.
Guy A: hwow did that 1 guy cid make so much money ???
Guy B: hes an et farmer all he does is kill ets all day then vendors them to countries
Guy A: stupid farmers hey lets go do livestrat
Guy B: K!
[edit on 30-1-2007 by CidCaldensfey]
Originally posted by 137
When a life evolves to this level that they can travel lightyears to our planet, then they must have found a way to live with each other without selfdestructing there own species and world(s) in the process,
Originally posted by CidCaldensfey
Tock, try to make an arguement rather than a, roffle roffle, shoddy insult. I'll show you what I mean.
1) I forced you to read something over the internet. Give me your money. If I can get you to read a post against your own free will, then you can give me your property as well.
2) There is no proof of any aliens contacting Earth. All we have are fuzzy pictures and old astronauts who have nothing better to do with their time then try to get themselves famous again. It's over. Forget about it.
I honestly believe a lot of people may have experienced something, but the majority is just bull. People want excitement in their lives because life itself is redundant and old. The same thing happens everyday to them and it is nice sometimes to think that something strange could happen.
I would go on, but that was just an example. And I'll agree, you are 'at lost'. :]
Originally posted by Togetic
I watched the Disclosure Project press conference the other day, and a woman who claimed to have worked with von Braun near the end of his life. He claimed that there were people who ordained that we would demonize the USSR, then after they fell we would go after international terrorism, and then we would turn against the ET's. What perked my ears was that this testimony was given in May of 2001, before 9/11 and the War on Terror.
On the other hand, the woman blew her credibility out of the water later on when she claimed that she knew that the aliens wanted peace and had technology to solve our problems. C'est la vie.
Originally posted by Togetic
In a broader sense, I find disturbing about ufology that many credible ufologists inject politics into their discussions.
Steven Green naturally, but also Stanton Friedman (whom I respect immensely but who i every speech invariably opines that self-respecting aliens would never want to engage with a planet engaged in "tribal warfare") and others.
I further find it self-deprecating that it is somehow assumed that ETs are more enlightened and therefore socialism or some other socioeconomic system naturally comes to them. First, why assume that they are enlightened? We discovered the nuclear bomb in the 1940's. Would you say that just because we discovered that technology that we are enlightened? You cannot assume that technological superiority implies moral superiority.
There is a belief that just because ETs come from the sky, they must necessarily be angels.
Originally posted by Togetic
Further, what happens when the ET technology falls into the hands of bad ET's?
Unfortunately, if showing that the ETs are peaceful was one of the main points of the project, then unfortunately it was doomed to failure from the beginning.
Originally posted by Tiloke
In another thread we discussed this, but not as in depth as I would have liked to.
My sister gave me a book that was writtin in the late 70's. It was writtin by someone who said he used to be high up in government. Unfortunatly I nca't remember the name of the book or the author.
In this book the author described how the new world order would come to power. He said it would begin with a "cold war" between countries as an excuse to militarize and enforce new freedom-restricting laws on the population. When the cold war no longer works, An "attack" on the civilian population would be planned,executed and blamed on "terrorists". The war on terror is the next step for the new world order. The book said that when the war on terror is not enough anymore, the Govn. will tell the populatoin about an "alien invasion" and use it as an excuse to take more of your freedoms.
The author gave a list of the criteria our species would have to meet beore large scale contact was made.
1. You must have a single planetary government. If YOU can't decide who speaks for Earth, how can we?
2. You must have a single planetary religion. Its hard enough keeping idividual species from killing each other due to religious differences.
3. In order to enter "galactic trade" you must have a planetary currency. This currency must be backed by something.(gold standard, for example)
4. You must develop interplanetary travel on your own. We will help you with interstellar once you "get your feet wet".(in the book the author explained that due to a mistranslation, the space race was so important because both Russia and America both thought that once they made it to the moon, ET would open trade with them.)
Damn, I wish I could remember the name of this book.
[edit on 25-1-2007 by Tiloke]
Originally posted by Togetic
Again, don't get me wrong, I hope that they are decent and have a highly developed moral code. I hope that Greer is right in some respects. But the question must be asked: what happens if it doesn't pan out that way?
Originally posted by GBBumblebee
We are too fractured and warlike as a species to be trusted at this early point in our evolution.