It's a shame so many foks here on ATS have legitimate concerns about global warming, because not one person at the state department gives a rat's
ass.
U.N. climate report will shock the world! (RELEASED), page 5
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reply posted on 4-2-2007 @ 12:02 PM by pai mei
One day people will realize that they cannot eat money. There is more CO2 in the air now than anytime in the last 650000 years , and we are to
blame.
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reply posted on 4-2-2007 @ 04:09 PM by Regenmacher
I suspect there will be many a rude awakening for those fail to prepare for future problems.
This is called not being prepared for anything:
Personal savings rate drops to lowest in 74 years CNN
The Groundhog Emerged, and Sounded a Lot Like Al Gore New York Times
This is called not being prepared for anything:
Personal savings rate drops to lowest in 74 years CNN
The Groundhog Emerged, and Sounded a Lot Like Al Gore New York Times
reply posted on 6-2-2007 @ 02:24 PM by Regenmacher
Originally posted by budski
Doesn't anyone find it strange that after years of largely ignoring the UN, suddenly US politicians are embracing it?
To ignore the report, would mean to ignore our own scientists:
NOAA SUPPORT FOR IPCC : PEOPLE, EXPERTISE, TECHNOLOGY
Ye old cliches:
We can tell what kind of soup is in the pot by tasting only one spoonful.
Disregarding risk makes many a dead fool and the morticians rich.
reply posted on 6-2-2007 @ 02:51 PM by Regenmacher
Originally posted by budski
science can barely predict weather 5 days in advance - are we now to accept that they can predict 100 years into the future?
our atmosphere and environment is a massively complicated structure - it cannot be modelled using current techniques - it can only be guessed
Maybe you better look up the difference between a regional weather model and a global climate model and you'll discover that answer for yourself.
Climate has already been modeled and the accuracy increases year after year, amazing how that works for mere guessing.
www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov...
reply posted on 6-2-2007 @ 02:57 PM by budski
Maybe you better look up the difference between a regional weather model and a global climate model and you'll discover that answer for yourself.
Climate has already been modeled and the accuracy increases year after year, amazing how that works for mere guessing.
www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov...
sorry, nil points - are you trying to say that scientists can accurately model climate and weather? they only just found out what el nino actually is, never mind the rest of the planet....
if their models are so accurate, wh do they qualify all statements with "may" and "could" etc etc.
some people are so gullible.......
Climate has already been modeled and the accuracy increases year after year, amazing how that works for mere guessing.
www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov...
sorry, nil points - are you trying to say that scientists can accurately model climate and weather? they only just found out what el nino actually is, never mind the rest of the planet....
if their models are so accurate, wh do they qualify all statements with "may" and "could" etc etc.
some people are so gullible.......
reply posted on 6-2-2007 @ 03:08 PM by Regenmacher
Originally posted by budski
sorry, nil points - are you trying to say that scientists can accurately model climate and weather? they only just found out what el nino actually is, never mind the rest of the planet....
if their models are so accurate, wh do they qualify all statements with "may" and "could" etc etc.
I noted el nino will fade out by summer, amazing how this is coming true...must be voodoo magic!
2007 Hurricane Forecast: Is La Niña Coming?
I suggest you post your on climate predictions and see if you can do more than hindcast and blow smoke. Maybe you best include the terms if, may, could ....cause all science has a margin of error. Then we shall see how gullible you are.
reply posted on 6-2-2007 @ 03:14 PM by budski
go to this, then d/l all the data into excel, generate mean graphs from all weather stations, then look at the trends.......
data.giss.nasa.gov...
i reiterate the point that we are NOT being told the full picture, this is what i mean by gullability
if you cannot take ALL the facts on board before making a decision then it is not a true opinion.
data.giss.nasa.gov...
i reiterate the point that we are NOT being told the full picture, this is what i mean by gullability
if you cannot take ALL the facts on board before making a decision then it is not a true opinion.
reply posted on 6-2-2007 @ 03:45 PM by Regenmacher
Originally posted by budski
go to this, then d/l all the data into excel, generate mean graphs from all weather stations, then look at the trends.......
if you cannot take ALL the facts on board before making a decision then it is not a true opinion.
GISS data has already been compiled, maybe you should look at the bottom link I provided in my post: ATS: Global Warming Has Ended
Maybe you should tell me what climate model doesn't Include these parameters that you presume are facts? Then show me your climate model that does include the whole picture and is more accurate.
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reply posted on 6-2-2007 @ 04:27 PM by Regenmacher
Originally posted by budski
you have completely missed the point that NO climate model can be accurate, you accuse others of cherry picking, but you do exactly the same when quoting from someone else's post.
as i said,
Causality (physics)
Yes, climate models can be accurate and have been proven to be accurate. You can pretend all you want they don't forecast climate change or have a record of historical accuracy. It's more like you are the one disregarding proven working models for the sake of your ego.
en.wikipedia.org...
The Met office's climate predictions is but one good example of accuracy:
ATS: 2007 forecasted to be the warmest year yet
Go study chaos theory if you want to build a better model or deal with what you got. Nothing is going to be perfect, since humans are not.
reply posted on 6-2-2007 @ 05:08 PM by Regenmacher
Originally posted by budski
you've just proved my argument
The only thing you have proven is your lack of comprehension in the meaning of the term "accuracy" and thus have confused it with absolute perfection, where as perfection is an ideal and not realistic.
Accuracy: The degree of correctness of a quantity, expression, precision, etc.
If the model says a 90% probability of an event occuring, then only the fool would disregard it. Maybe you should study probabilities and odds, then go to Vegas and learn about the term "the house always wins". I would also suggest you not test the validity of the AIDS/STD infection rate model with the local working girls either.
Repeat: Disregarding risk makes many a dead fool and the morticians rich.
[edit on 6-2-2007 by Regenmacher]
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