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reply posted on 26-1-2007 @ 07:23 PM by darkbluesky
Originally posted by loam
Originally posted by darkbluesky
But perhaps I should have said, almost every species that ever existed is now extinct.


No offense, but what an unhelpful point.

Do you happen to have a view on the rates of extinction or causation?


[edit on 26-1-2007 by loam]


I maintain it is not unhelpful. You, Forestlady, and many others must eventunally come to the realization that this planet, biosphere, ecosystem...or whatever other term you want to apply to it, is an incomprehensibley large and complex system that we haven't even begun to understand. For hundreds of years everyone KNEW the Earth was the center of the universe, until someone proved it wasn't.

Concensus, is not fact.

Back to the point in question.

Extinction is a fact of life. There are three primary causes.....cataclysim, climate change, competition (natural selection). It's extremley anthrocentric, IMO, to believe the humans should be expempted from being competetive. We evolved on the same planet under the same circumstances as the Polar Bears, Penguins, and the ######,
pasenger pigeon. I for one will not dispair because we have utilized the gift of oil to ascend to the top of the evolution ladder on this rock.

And by the way, someone will ensure all he bears, and the nuns, and all the other little furries will survive if the ice melts. That's because we're alot smarter than they are, and posess the quality of compasion. Something that no other species, that ever crowded out another, ever possesed.


reply posted on 27-1-2007 @ 01:37 PM by forestlady
Originally posted by darkbluesky
I maintain it is not unhelpful. You, Forestlady, and many others must eventunally come to the realization that this planet, biosphere, ecosystem...or whatever other term you want to apply to it, is an incomprehensibley large and complex system that we haven't even begun to understand. For hundreds of years everyone KNEW the Earth was the center of the universe, until someone proved it wasn't.

Concensus, is not fact.

Back to the point in question.

nd by the way, someone will ensure all he bears, and the nuns, and all the other little furries will survive if the ice melts. That's because we're alot smarter than they are, and posess the quality of compasion. Something that no other species, that ever crowded out another, ever possesed.


You're preaching to the choir here, dude. I'm married to a biologist, have learned alot from him and continue to do so. Also, myself being Pagan, I have always known that everything is connected. Sort of a basic concept of Paganism.I'm not some school kid that you need to teach basic science to, so don't try teaching me elemental science because I probably know more about biology than you. That's kind of one of the things that Pagans study.

We don't know everything about how climate works, but we sure as hell know alot more than we did 40 years ago when the topic of GW first came out. Everything we've learned since then supports the original theory that our planet is heating up VERY rapidly, too quickly for life forms to adapt. That, right now, is why the extinction is happening right now. In fact, this present extinction has been underway now for quite awhile, long enough for us to know that this extinction is the most rapidly occurring one ever, by far. In that sense, it is already the largest extinction ever..

If we changed everything we're now doing tonite, we would still be in for at least another 30 years of ever-increasing rapid GW. If you're not aware of the extinction, why should I think you are a credible source?

And no, no one is conserving the polar bears and penguins, they're time is running out and they are rapidly disappearing. There are simply too many species endangered to preserve all of them. For more information, read "The Song of the Dodo". Do you know what the song of the dodo sounds like?...
No, no one does, because they have been extinct for over 100 years at least. And that, to me, is an extremely sad thing. They became extinct because of humans killing them off, they didn't do it because of any natural occurrence.

The extinction has already been set in motion and we can't do much about it for at least 30 years. That's alot of life that will be gone.

If we're smarter than animals, then why are we destroying our planet and the animals never have? Also, animals do have compassion. Doesn't sound like you've ever had a dog. They know when you're feeling down and come and comfort you. Meerkats have been shown to stop and wait for another meerkat who is ill or dying. They will stay with the animal until it's either better and able to travel or until it dies. As you can tell, I'm not so sure that humans are smarter than animals.



reply posted on 27-1-2007 @ 11:43 PM by soficrow
Originally posted by TheAvenger

Regenmacher:


I would gladly compare scientific credentials with you to establish who is more qualified to assess Global Warming THEORY, ...




Did you mean
hypothesis ?

theory needing investigation: a tentative explanation for a phenomenon, used as a basis for further investigation
The hypothesis of the big bang is one way to explain the beginning of the universe.





The word theory refers to :

a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena

***

scientific principle to explain phenomena: a set of facts, propositions, or principles analyzed in their relation to one another and used, especially in science, to explain phenomena





Scientific credentials, you say?







[edit on 27-1-2007 by soficrow]


reply posted on 29-1-2007 @ 06:53 AM by loam
As many anticipate the report's release later this week, some details are already emerging...



[ats]http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:ubQnS3Zn_4YUHM:
www.ikzm-d.de...[/ats]

A chilling conclusion on global warming

The United Nations is poised to release a report on climate change so grim and so vast in scope that scientists involved in the six-year study say it will end the debate on global warming.

The report will say that global warming caused by human activity is no longer a theory. It is a fact.

...

[T]he report will ask and answer four basic questions:



  • Can humans affect the climate system and, if so, what changes have been observed? The report will say that natural factors alone can no longer explain the changes seen in the second half of the 20th century, citing a new physical understanding of the climate system.

  • How sure are we that humans are responsible for climate change? The report will say that it is a virtual certainty that humans have caused the change, meaning that the scientists are "99 percent" certain.

  • How different will the climate be in the future? The climate, its chemical mix now substantially altered by higher concentrations of carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide, will continue to warm. Ice sheets will continue to melt, making sea levels rise.

  • How has science changed our understanding of global warming since international efforts were launched in 1990? All the evidence has come together, scientists say, to form an internally consistent story.

    More...



Here's the real surprise...

Think the report might be too alarmist? Here's what top US Scientists say:



Melting ice means global warming report all wet, say some experts who warn it'll be even worse

Later this week in Paris, climate scientists will issue a dire forecast for the planet that warns of slowly rising sea levels and higher temperatures.

But that may be the sugarcoated version.

Early and changeable drafts of their upcoming authoritative report on climate change foresee smaller sea level rises than were projected in 2001 in the last report. Many top U.S. scientists reject these rosier numbers. Those calculations don't include the recent, and dramatic, melt-off of big ice sheets in two crucial locations:

They "don't take into account the gorillas — Greenland and Antarctica," said Ohio State University earth sciences professor Lonnie Thompson, a polar ice specialist. "I think there are unpleasant surprises as we move into the 21st century."

Michael MacCracken, who until 2001 coordinated the official U.S. government reviews of the international climate report on global warming, has fired off a letter of protest over the omission.

More...



In case you've forgotten, here's one of the things they are so animated about:

Greenland Ice Melt: See if this don't scare you!

See, also, Glacial earthquakes

I've long sat on the fence on this issue... But it's strating to look like that position is no longer reasonable.

Stay tuned... and hope for the best. It looks like we are going to need it.



Last warning: 10 years to save world

Scientists say rising greenhouses gases will make climate change unstoppable in a decade

THE world has just 10 years to reverse surging greenhouse gas emissions or risk runaway climate change that could make many parts of the planet uninhabitable.

The stark warning comes from scientists who are working on the final draft of a new report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).









[edit on 29-1-2007 by loam]



reply posted on 29-1-2007 @ 09:27 AM by Regenmacher
Originally posted by loam
Stay tuned... and hope for the best. It looks like we are going to need it.


Thanks Loam. I suspect Western leaders knew this all along considering the recent wars and strategic re-positioning of military forces is more in lines with hoarding and self-preservation. I suspect their solution will be much of the same in creating more war to remove the threat of large poverty stricken regions, secure resources and crush uprisings that will be a result of climate change.


Key findings of the IPCC's fourth assessment report

* Global temperatures continue to rise with 11 of the 12 warmest years since 1850 occurring since 1995. Computer models suggest a further rise of about 3C by 2100, with a 6C rise a distant possibility
* It is virtually certain (there is more than a 99 per cent probability) that carbon dioxide levels and global warming is far above the range of natural variability over the past 650,000 years
* It is virtually certain that human activity has played the dominant role in causing the increase of greenhouse gases over the past 250 years
* Man-made emissions of atmospheric aerosol pollutants have tended to counteract global warming, which otherwise would have been significantly worse
* The net effect of human activities over the past 250 years has very likely exerted a warming influence on the climate
* It is likely that human activity is also responsible for other observed changes to the Earth's climate system, such as ocean warming and the melting of the Arctic sea ice
* Sea levels will continue to rise in the 21st Century because of the thermal expansion of the oceans and loss of land ice
* The projected warming of the climate due to increases in carbon dioxide during the 21st Century is likely to cause the total melting of the Greenland ice sheet during the next 1,000 years, according to some computer forecasting models
* The warm Gulf Stream of the North Atlantic is likely to slow down during the 21st Century because of global warming and the melting of the freshwater locked up in the Greenland ice sheet. But no models predict the collapse of that warm current by 2100.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



reply posted on 29-1-2007 @ 09:40 AM by andy1033
Originally posted by Regenmacher
Originally posted by loam
Stay tuned... and hope for the best. It looks like we are going to need it.


Thanks Loam. I suspect Western leaders knew this all along considering the recent wars and strategic re-positioning of military forces is more in lines with hoarding and self-preservation. I suspect their solution will be much of the same in creating more war to remove the threat of large poverty stricken regions, secure resources and crush uprisings that will be a result of climate change.


Key findings of the IPCC's fourth assessment report

* Global temperatures continue to rise with 11 of the 12 warmest years since 1850 occurring since 1995. Computer models suggest a further rise of about 3C by 2100, with a 6C rise a distant possibility
* It is virtually certain (there is more than a 99 per cent probability) that carbon dioxide levels and global warming is far above the range of natural variability over the past 650,000 years
* It is virtually certain that human activity has played the dominant role in causing the increase of greenhouse gases over the past 250 years
* Man-made emissions of atmospheric aerosol pollutants have tended to counteract global warming, which otherwise would have been significantly worse
* The net effect of human activities over the past 250 years has very likely exerted a warming influence on the climate
* It is likely that human activity is also responsible for other observed changes to the Earth's climate system, such as ocean warming and the melting of the Arctic sea ice
* Sea levels will continue to rise in the 21st Century because of the thermal expansion of the oceans and loss of land ice
* The projected warming of the climate due to increases in carbon dioxide during the 21st Century is likely to cause the total melting of the Greenland ice sheet during the next 1,000 years, according to some computer forecasting models
* The warm Gulf Stream of the North Atlantic is likely to slow down during the 21st Century because of global warming and the melting of the freshwater locked up in the Greenland ice sheet. But no models predict the collapse of that warm current by 2100.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.




there loads of likely and maybe in that statement, this is why the governments will never do anything. the sciencetists just cannot properly predict the outcome. you see how they say most likely, thats not enough to change anything.

the sciencetists need to be confident in there findings, or it is just a waste of time.

can we also ask what effect that the population increases will have in this century, whether or not co2 by man has an effect

also in that article they state it could have been worse but for aerosol releases by humans ahve prevented further warming, could this be what chemtrails are doing. people have speculated that chemtrails are there to do something like this, and reflect sunlight, interesting.

[edit on 29-1-2007 by andy1033]


reply posted on 29-1-2007 @ 10:02 AM by Regenmacher
Originally posted by andy1033
also in that article they state it could have been worse but for aerosol releases by humans ahve prevented further warming...


That phenom is called
global dimming which has slowed the rise of global temps. The increased aerosols and dust also inhibit precipation and increases desertfication, which in turn reduces the amount of ariable land to grow crops on.
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