'Hound Dog' - the film depicting the rape of a 12 year old girl set for release

Sadly, what's considered taboo today will one day be considered normal in the future. Notice very few mainstream movies would show nudity during the 50's, and now, pretty much any "R" rated movie will contain nudity.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
I, also, fail to see how dramatizing the reality that these things happens does anyone any good.

That is precisely my point. To whose benefit are movies like this made? They certainly have no artistic value... so, no one can feed me that line of garbage.

Originally posted by jsobecky

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
While it can be argued that things like this goes on in real life, do we really need to see a movie made about an eleven or twelve year old nymphomaniac? I think people are aware that they exist and to show a scene of a child being raped is deplorable.

Not having seen the movie, or read any reviews, I have to ask: is Dakota Fanning portraying a nymphomaniac is the movie? Where does the "eleven or twelve year old nymphomaniac" come into play here?

She's a prostitute in the movie...

Another actress that played a very controversial role was Dominique Swain in Lolita...


The movie was basically about a 30+ year old man who falls in love with a 12 or 13 year old girl...

How about holding your judgement until you have actually seen the film? That way you won't seem like the types who make up there own reality. How can you know that this film would turn on a pedophile? If you haven't seen it then how can you be so sure? I hope you will be first in line so you can tell us all about it, don't forget your trusty polaroid so you can get a picture of all those dirty perverts.

I saw that version of Lolita. The difference as I see it was that Domonique Swain looked much more mature than Fanning does. I'm not saying that made it right, just a little more tolerable. Fanning looks younger than twelve IMO.

Peace

Anybody remember a pretty graphic movie called "Kids" ?? Even though they were teens I personally thought it was borderline kiddie porn. It was complete trash. I am all for artistic freedom but we all know that Hollywood's agenda is about pushing the boundaries for a buck and not neccesarily concerned about quality or substance anymore. Sad.

Originally posted by DraconianKing
How can you know that this film would turn on a pedophile? If you haven't seen it then how can you be so sure?

A twelve y/o prostitue who gets raped? Sounds like a pedophile's wet dream to me.

And as far as taking a polaroid of all the freaks in the theater, doesn't look like I'll be able to if nobody picks it up. Even better for them that they can take it home on video and get jiggy with themselves.

Peace

Originally posted by _DISAVOWED_
Anybody remember a pretty graphic movie called "Kids" ?? Even though they were teens I personally thought it was borderline kiddie porn. It was complete trash. I am all for artistic freedom but we all know that

Problem is, there is nothing artistic about that garbage... Of course, in the screwy world we live in today, who the hell knows what they are going to call "art." I have seen people splash buckets of paint on a canvas and call it "art," if that tells you anything..

Originally posted by DraconianKing
How about holding your judgement until you have actually seen the film? That way you won't seem like the types who make up there own reality. How can you know that this film would turn on a pedophile? If you haven't seen it then how can you be so sure? I hope you will be first in line so you can tell us all about it, don't forget your trusty polaroid so you can get a picture of all those dirty perverts.

How does anyone who is not a pedophile know what truely turns one on?
But think about it like this they are turned on pretty much like any other adult (I would think) but with much much younger points of interest. So what does it take you you or any other adult to start thinking about sex?

Does seeing your wife/GF/signifigant other in a tight out fit up your blood pressure? How about if their wearing a low cut top as compared to a fully buttoned shirt? Maybe it takes a little more say some Victoria Secret or full nude? Not that I realy want to know this but what does it take for ppl to get turned on? Each person is differnt you can see that by the sex industry being so hugh.
Maybe it will only take seeing the bare shoulders of this young girl to get some one thinking about it. But in that same case they are already a child molester rather they have physically commited the act or not.

Do they need a scene that (is lacking in the eyes of the producer) to strengthen the story? No it's a story about a little girl though a prostituite getting raped. Yes alot more girls are going father at a younger age and a story such as this could be used by a parent to explain the dangers of such a life, but the scene need not be there. Even though the scene will not show every thing the act it's self that is portrayed might be enough to excite some after all they are preditors and it is the act of violating soe one else that they like not just the sex it's self. Sex can be found any where at any time by any one it's so easy that if I were not married I could get it tonight from a willing stranger for free. Ppl do it every day sex is very easy to get if you look for it.

Once again this type of story could help some one and should be told but it could be done with out a scene showing any thing. It could just show her leaving with some guy or some guy pulling her into a car or down an ally then show her in the next scene beaten looking for help or in the hospital. Why show an unneeded scene when we could get the general idea by using a thing alot of ppl are not doing any more and use our imaginations. Why show some thing that is understood already?

Dunno just my out look on it.

Raist

Yes I guess we should have a better definition of "art" and punish people who make things that don't fit into it. Then we could do the same with religion and science and politics. The reality is that just because you dont like something does not give you the right to deside if other people can like it or not. Just because you think this movie will appeal to child molesters does not mean it should not be made or released. As long as its not kiddie porn or the like. I know lets take children totaly off tv and movies, any mass media, so the child molesters wont have anything to look at. I don't think the majority of child molesters will realy care about this movie anyway. Rape is a crime of power, not sexuality, and most child molesters are sexualy driven and entice children as opposed to force.
And before anyone starts in on me I am not defending the movie or molesters. I won't be seeing this movie and child molesters should be castrated and locked up.

Who the #$%& are any of you to tell me what is art, and what I can watch for it's artistic or sociological value? I've seen kids. I saw it when I was about those kids age. I did the same stuff they did, and I identified with the movie. I thought it was great.

I haven't seen it since I was a kid, but then again, now, being an adult, it may not resonate as much with me.

And so what if some perv goes and whacks off to this movie? There are pervs who would go and whack off to Charlotte's Web because it has a talking pig in it, every farmer's fantasy. I'll reserve judgement of what I think of the movie itself until I see it. But it's crazy how some people on this board are so willing to dismiss it outright because of stuff they read in an article somewhere, without any knowledge of the story itself.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
go and whack off to Charlotte's Web because it has a talking pig in it, every farmer's fantasy.

No way man. It would be much more difficult to slaughter a talking animal. It would piss farmers off. Becaus eit can talk all these nu-job orgs like PETA would be all over it as a reason for mass human suicide to allow the animals to live in peace. But I guess we could argue that the pigs would go on to be totalitarian monsters ruling the rest of the barnyard through fear ala Animal Farm. Then we could declare war on them. Oh man! The price of sausage would drop way down! I cant wait!

As someone mentioned, it is very possibly/likely that this sort/kind of behavior already exists in our world. So the mind is quick to judge and paint situations which we have strong beliefs towards.
I see that in today's culture, we have many extremes. On the television, I see judgements and negativity towards the perpatrators/scapegoats/focus/target population. Nancy Grace? On another music channel, I can see younger and younger pop/sex symbol girls/guys being sold sold sold. Britney schoolgirl. Glitzy lights and fancy dancing. But as many of us suspect, both channels/opinions/viewpoints are being pushed our/created by largely the same powerful influences. Its as if they set up judgments/values/standards/common sense for us, but then also provide the temptation/opposite/allure of the "bad" thing/action behavior. So the people try to think/behave as society/external tells them to, while trying to overcome temptation and the urges of the spirit/soul/true freedom. Just like a puppeteer, the master/illuminati/bankers/secret societies/whatever sets the individual puppets/us against each other. And so we keep busy, busy, busy, and miss out on other things.

Really, I think it comes down to all of us just searching for happiness/peace/home/God. The john is searching for fulfillment in quick "love" and perhaps the young girl is searching for home/family/money. And I/we are here on a virtual board, looking for answers/truth/peace. I think all of our basic goals/motivations are the same. So when I see the sameness, I am not so quick to judge "good" or "bad" and I haven't felt a feeling of "sick" or "disgusting" toward another human being in a long time, and I don't think I ever want to again.

If the girl was your sister, and she had a story to tell, do you not think that after listening to her story, and feeling what she felt, that you too could see yourself in her shoes, making similar/same choices?

And if the john/man/pervert/sicko/other was your brother, and you knew his story, and why he chooses his particular ways of searching for happiness, could you not see yourself making similar choices, and understanding?

People are quick to judge this idea again as being impractical/dreamy/idealistic. I look at it as practical. For me, anyway. Any way.

I guess I just wanted to write after seeing so many negative judgements. They have their place in time, but I feel that soon enough, we/humans/consciousness will drop judgement of "good" and "bad" and "right" and "wrong" for understanding that all that has been was meant to be (simply because it happened) and so everything is valueable/important/vital to creation/life/universe. It sounds kind of like the same thing but is fundamentally different. Or am I fooling myself? And if I am a fool, how can I ever realize that?

Peace

I didn't mean whack, I meant whack off.

The best way to describe specifically is from a famous Peter Griffen quote

What are you gonna make me do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? 'Cause I'm married.
Peter Griffen, Family Guy

Originally posted by DJMessiah
Sadly, what's considered taboo today will one day be considered normal in the future. Notice very few mainstream movies would show nudity during the 50's, and now, pretty much any "R" rated movie will contain nudity.

i remember in the 80's i saw a movie with my parents that was pg and showed a man and a woman in a pond or river and they showed the womans breast! it was awesome.

just think of all the attention this is getting yet all those 5 year old kids who get put in those demonic movies with blood and guts and crap and nobody cares. that's america for you. when it comes to any kind sex related topic it's not allowed.

Originally posted by reaganero
just think of all the attention this is getting yet all those 5 year old kids who get put in those demonic movies with blood and guts and crap and nobody cares. that's america for you. when it comes to any kind sex related topic it's not allowed.

Difference is...most of those "demonic" movies you are criticising exhibit things that don't, at least not on a daily occurrence, happen... This movie is real life stuff..

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

Originally posted by reaganero
just think of all the attention this is getting yet all those 5 year old kids who get put in those demonic movies with blood and guts and crap and nobody cares. that's america for you. when it comes to any kind sex related topic it's not allowed.

Difference is...most of those "demonic" movies you are criticising exhibit things that don't, at least not on a daily occurrence, happen... This movie is real life stuff..

violence is an everyday occurence isn't? and hate and screaming and yelling and so on. besides are we talking about the age of the kid playing a scene or the topic itself because a rape scene or murder scene at any age is unpleasent to watch.

I thinking about this thread some more it brings to mind some thing that happened on another forum I regularly check.

This young girl comes on asking for advice about what to do because she was scared. She tells us see is 13 and the pics she posted seemed to show this to be true if not younger assuming it was her.
Now she goes on to tell us how she met this 30 year old man at on out door cafe. He came to sit and talk with her because she seemed sad (after some time of noticing her). They begin to talk and become close soon they begin having sex in which one time he makes a video of her. She later relates to us that she had told him she was "of age" and willingly done every thing with him even though prior to this she was scared because she realy did not want to do any of this but did because he made her feel special and finally had just told the police.

Well being that some of the story changed but the rest remained some ppl became upset with her and ignored her. A few of us went on to tell her that after some time even if only a few days of getting to know some one he should have known she was under age any one who looks close enough will see signs that they are under age. She was now upset because she felt it was her fault he was looking at jail time because she had lied to him. But I mean come on if you can't tell a 12-13 y/o girl from an 18 y/o in a few days time there is some thing wrong with you. So one an only assume that he knew she was not of age (not meaning he knew she was 13) but should have known he should not be messing around with her. I will assume the full later story was real every thing in her story seemed pretty heart felt and sincere maybe it was all a lie, but say it wasn't for the case of this post.

Another example a man I used to work with never would have known about his secret life if he had not been caught. He was sleeping with a 14y/o while he was late 30's early 40's married with kids almost the age of this girl. He had met her online started sleeping with her until she decided she could get some thing out of this and was charging him $100 or more a week even when not sleeping with him to keep it secret. How his wife never noticed this much money going missing each week is beyond me. Any way come to find out he had slept with her at a hotel using his name, at her house and his house. She was also messing around with a guy in his late 20's who said he thought she was 15 (like that would matter).

Why bring this up? Because look at how easy it was for these girls to do this even "lie" about their age. Could it have been worse for both of them very much so. Could a movie like this help save even one girl who is living a very sexualy active life at a young age? I would think so and stories like this (assuming it is one menant to be heart felt and after school special warningish and not some pop culter art garbage) should be manitory for young girls who are reaching sexual maturity.
But once again leave the scene out of the rape even if it shows only a little violance.

Raist