hillary has a load of big names behind her from new york. i thought new york business decides who is president.

Andy,
New York is an important state for both business and votes. If however, you want to consider the possibility of this thread, that the next president has already been chosen, it is because the people with the money have already made that decision and used there money to buy Clinton and put her in office. I some one is good enough to find where all the money came from, I might wager a dollar to a donut that it will be tracked to the institutions that do and will have her favor.

This is the conclusion that many experts are giving.

If Bush attacks Iran it will be no way in hell that a Republican will win the White House in 2008.

If Hillary win the primaries she will be the next president.

So far the only candidates in line in the Republican party are not very popular choices among conservatives.

Marge,
I really do basically agree with you. However there is one conclusion that some one else posted earlier in this thread. It was something to the effect that even if Clinton and Obama were to team up, that this country is not ready for a female executive, so the Neoconservatives win again. I don't really agree with it, but it is another interesting conclusion.

Go Hillary Go!

Am I they only one rooting for Hillary to win the Democrat nomination?

What a blessing for the Republicans!

I think it will come down to Hillary and Gingrich.

McCain and Guiliani are going to cancel each other out, and in steps Gingrich, energizing the conservative base!

Gingrich 2008!

Well I have not see no many people around hear endorse to many politicians at all. I think that trend will probably continue, after all this is a conspicry discussion site.
However if you want Clinton as the executive feel free to state your reasons if you wish.

Don't forget what J. Titor said about the president in 2008...all they will care about is POWER! =)

Maybe,
That could be said about most any President. However in this case, at this time, in my years, I will half to agree with you and Titor.
If it means anything I wish I did not feel that way.

I wish i did not feel the same as well, but, Hillary, for instance was elated by the power she had even when her husband was president. And i cannot blame her, being a woman and all.

I can only hope she can keep this under control while she is president.

Although, Obama is looking pretty promising nowadays! He's young, new, fresh, has a "fan" group. Anti-christ? One never knows!

Hillary was the first one to say that she'd bring the troops home from iraq if they are still there when she takes office. Obama's failure to say something specific in response may have hurt him. Was this smart politicking or something else?

the GOP will easily slaughter hillary and all the other democrats, the democrats have failed to adress not only the war in iraq with a clear plan they are flip flopping on it ( hillary ). americans see this and she will get buried by the GOP.

the GOP has been silent because they are working on a strategy to unleash the US economy and the US individual, bandit if you warn me for this you're ice cold as it's a rellevant point. the GOP is running on fairtax, the liberals are scared and so are the people within the GOP who dont want to see our current tax system replaced. when hillary starts running her mouth about universal healthcare for every child blah blah blah you will see people like duncan hunter say ' there are better ways for americans to fund such programs without having government take over and taking away ones income and damaging the US economy and individual growth' and hillary will be shut down. the fairtax will be an issue the liberals will have to adress, as it will be a platform for the election. it will probabaly surpass iraq as topic because it has everything to do with this country in general and how we fund our defenses, overseas operations, business domestic and overseas, economy, healtcare, industry/manufacturing, outsourcing, individual prosperity especially for the poor. it's already tied to illegal immigration as we will be taxing those leeches while getting them out of the country.

what we are seeing is the media hype machine at work, hillary is a joke and people hate her in this country. all the other democrats are going to be buried by their own ambition by refusing to adress and actually lying about our federal tax policy claiming they want to help the 'poor'. this is going to be great the democrats are going to get roasted. K street will be GT (ghost town ) street. the media in this country is against us people, please wake up they are nothing but federal propagandist. talk radio !



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In as much as I like the idea of tax reform, I can't say that I see any indications that the Republicans are revving up to sell it. Gingrich is conducting his own seminars and presentations, and while it really is a good idea...I just don't see the ground swell for it that ape is alluding to.

Again, I need to point out that the vote in 2006 wasn't about anything else except the war. it was a referendum on the war. Bush's positive economic performance has been strongly overshadowed by the perception of incompetence regarding the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. On the basis of this by itself, it won't be hard to imagine most Americans going to the polls in '08 to vote for anyone who is not a Republican.

Within the last 48 hours, as I write this, Hillary has stated the one thing that most unhappy voters want to hear. She'll bring the troops home if she is elected. A lot of people don't like Hillary, that's true. But...they will vote for a shot at ending the war in Iraq. The political junkies among our audience here will recognize that what Hillary has done so far is very Machivellian. She's making herself known for what she will do rather than what she has done.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that I support her. I'm a trained political scientist, and I'm looking at this through a non-partisan lense. I'm calling it like I see it. Her tactics are better than those of her competition at this time.

Originally posted by RedGolem
Will Hillary Clinton Be The Next U.S. President?
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Lets hope not. The world needs a change from the Bushs and Clintons

Originally posted by Justin Oldham
In as much as I like the idea of tax reform, I can't say that I see any indications that the Republicans are revving up to sell it. Gingrich is conducting his own seminars and presentations, and while it really is a good idea...I just don't see the ground swell for it that ape is alluding to.

Again, I need to point out that the vote in 2006 wasn't about anything else except the war. it was a referendum on the war. Bush's positive economic performance has been strongly overshadowed by the perception of incompetence regarding the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. On the basis of this by itself, it won't be hard to imagine most Americans going to the polls in '08 to vote for anyone who is not a Republican.

Within the last 48 hours, as I write this, Hillary has stated the one thing that most unhappy voters want to hear. She'll bring the troops home if she is elected. A lot of people don't like Hillary, that's true. But...they will vote for a shot at ending the war in Iraq. The political junkies among our audience here will recognize that what Hillary has done so far is very Machivellian. She's making herself known for what she will do rather than what she has done.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that I support her. I'm a trained political scientist, and I'm looking at this through a non-partisan lense. I'm calling it like I see it. Her tactics are better than those of her competition at this time.

it's already an issue in the house and senate justin, take a good look at the co-sponsors for the bill and the people who support it, hillary and all the socialist are against it. this will bury them. the democrats will not take the presidency just based on the iraq war, people cannot stand hearing them talk about it right now because they are hypocrites and they are weak( how can they confirm a general who wants to increase troops then scheme to cut funding)? no principles. if you do away with a system that costs an iraq war every year just for compliance people will get on board. the fair tax is apart of newts plan I from what I understand he supports the bill, so does duncan hunter. john mccain does not and he will not be president. our federal tax policy is a greater enemy to the individual and our country second only to terrorism. the democrats are weak on both subjects, this win in november means nothing as the people who ran on tax reform and supported bill HR25 won in the nov elections.

hillary says ' if i was president in 02 i would have not went to war', yet she votes to go into war and made the case agianst saddam? we all have heard this, what I canont understand is how anyone can take her seriously anymore. there are far more problems for the american people instead of just the iraq war, she has yet to adress our domestic issues in a way that doesn't call for complete government take over and that goes for all of the socialcrats with their universal healthcare garbage.

In as much as I like the idea of tax reform,

no reform my friend, replacement.


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off topic. ape, i looked at the lnks you provided for the fairtax and personally im all for it. ive been saying for years that this EXACT idea is whats needed. waht will kill it is that, lets fact it, an individual can be smart but people in general are pretty dumb. they are going to hear "23% sales tax? omg are you nuts?" and forget taht they get to keep their whole paycheck...just my take.

on topic: oh please if theres a god in heaven anyone but hillary. funny thing, i dont have a specific individual reason to not like her. its not that she's a democrat, a woman, or a clinton, i just dont trust her and i cant even offer a RATIONAL reason. i just dont. i see her as yet another career politician, training herself since college to be nothing else, and i dont think she gives two drops of rat urine what the rest of us, the PEOPLE actually think or care about.

why do i want her as the leader of the country i live in again?

i dont.

i still think we write in springer and skeptic as pres and veep. they can flip a coin to see which one is which

I'm not happy about having Hillary as our national leader, either. I felt strongly enough about that to develop my own thinking in my published work. Having said that, I can't ignore the political realities of what I see before me. Since 2000, the Republicans have handled themselves so poorly that I'm not sorry to see them get spanked. As you may have seen in the CM forum, I do have some worries tha the GOP might be so crippled that we could see a radical shift in American politics that wouldn't be good for any of us.

the people will be educated damocles, they will learn their are embedded taxes in everything they purchases today wether it's goods or services. tax replacement is a very real reality for all of us, the democrats and hillary dont seem to want to evolve with the century, they are stuck in the 20th with their arcane marxist ideology and that wil bury this country.

I agree that the GOP mucked up pretty bad justin but take a good look at all the hits our economy has taken from the .com burst to 9/11, katrina, every other nation would have crumbled. they are regrouping and going back to core principles. the dems will get called out, 08 is going to be pretty intense.

I'm an independent and it's my personal opinion that the democrats and hillarys domestic policies are dangerous.

Originally posted by ape
I'm an independent and it's my personal opinion that the democrats and hillarys domestic policies are dangerous.

I'm with you there. i saw the collapse of the GOP coming years ago. I made the case for it in my book. Now, inspite of your optimism, I can't help seeing what I see. I'd like to see the Republcans rally in '08 but that's just not going to happen.

With the conservative minorty reduced even further in the House, and possibly in the Senate; we will see an acceleration of the leftist agenda that will be harmful in the long run. In many respects, it is my opinion that the Dems will speed up the acquisition of Federal power. I'm not sure the broken shards ofwhat used to be a conservative party can stand in the way of that.

Having said that, I hope for the future. After they spend some time in the wilderness to re-learn what it means to be proponents of small government, we might see a resurgent GOP that could come to the rescue during the very dark and troubled times that I have predicted. If somehow the Libs manage to prove me wrong, I'll be happy to eat my words...but I have my doubts.

In as much as I agree with your assessment of the taxation situation, I hold no hope at all that the American people will be 'educated' in this election cycle. There's too much bad blood stemming from malfesance connected to the Iraq war. the Republicans, no mater how repentent, are going to suffer for the mistakes of their President who is not in the least bit repentent over what he has done.