posted by Murcielago
ok. I kinda jumped around through some of your points ... but now I have a few questions for you "don"
1. What’s your view on the Iraq war ... and if your in favor of a early exit, when? & your strategy?
I’m reading a book, “The Assassins Gate: America in Iraq”
by George Packer which recounts the inadequacy of our preparations in
the run-up to the Iraqi War. Especially revealing is his re-telling the lack of coordination between Defense and State.
America’s intervention in the Middle East has upset the balance of power reached over the decades first starting in 1920-1922 which was the time
when today’s borders were drawn. Then came the 1948 insertion of the Jewish survivors of the European Holocaust into the region taking land already
possessed by others.
Today, Iran is the most populated and most tragic country in the region. If we leave Iraq precipitously, without reaching an understanding with Iran,
we will surrender the region to Iranian hegemony. That would not be Armageddon per se but it is not our intention either. Yet I cannot shake the
notion that our very presence in Iraq is counter productive.
I’d say this. If we don’t have a GOOD plan, openly arrived at, publicly debated, with many inputs, then we need to leave ASAP. There is nothing to
be gained by more blundering around. If we do have a good plan how to 1) establish security, and 2) let the Iraqi decide what kind of government they
want, then I’d be willing to stay a few more months to see if it is really going to work. I believe it will. Or can.
Part of the reason the Iraqi will not reach an accommodation is that we are throwing away $2 b. a week in Iraq. Aside from being worse that ridiculous
we are making it too rewarding for anyone to want us to leave. Chaos for those in power is like GOLD!
2. Illegal immigrants? what would you do about them?
First, many undocumented workers here do NOT want to be US citizens. They do want to work here legally. Next, we cannot compel or force 12 million
people to leave the country. We need to register them. We need to identify them. We need to give them not a Green Card, but maybe a BLUE Card. Make
them legal. Then get off this craziness of putting them at the bottom of a 10 or 20 years long waiting list, and put them in line to get citizenship
if that is their goal.
I HATE walls. Instead we need to establish a JOINT border control authority with Mexico. We cannot stop illegals from entering the US if we don’t
have the full cooperation with Mexico. Let’s get over it, and do what we have to do to make it work. Employers could send in weekly numbers needed
and those could be posted across Central America. Workers could then enter the country, do the work, and go back home to wait for the next call for
help. Most of them prefer that over moving here. It can be solved but NOT unilaterally.
3. the possible/probable Iranian conflict ... I'm talking about how to deal with them ... not about the little hostage thing their doing now.
I’m not sure what you are referring to when you say the “little hostage thing.” If you mean the 1979-1980 hostage taking, I’d say that’s
over and we need to keep in mind this is 2008. We have little to no comprehension of the psyche that dominates the people of the Middle East. Proud
of their past but screwed by foreigners and their own leaders who sold out to the foreigners time after time. The whole region is filled with
desperate people who don’t know who to trust. Until we get “down and dirty” and learn how the man on the street feels and how he or she is
getting on, we will never be able to deal with foreigners.
The British did just what we need to do. From their time in India - 1700s - to the time they departed India - 1947 - the Brits managed a civil
government in places they were totally strange to but they learned how to manage. We need to study how they did that. And then adapt and apply those
lessons to America in Century21 if we plan on being the world’s hegemony.
During that long era - when Britannia ruled the waves from Trafalgar to Singapore - one-fifth to one-third of the graduates of Oxford and Cambridge
went abroad, to Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Rhodesia, the Caribbean and to India, the Jewel in the Crown
. Most of them stayed on in
their chosen countries, for their whole working life. 20-30 years. If you want to rule the earth, you must be in a place long enough to not only learn
the language, but to learn the culture as well. You cannot do that on a 12 months tour. It's up to us.
[edit on 2/28/2008 by donwhite]