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State of the Union Thread (and contest)

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posted on Jan, 23 2007 @ 07:19 PM
Well, very shortly President Bush should be breathing a huge amount of life into this forum (and quite possibly becoming the first President in history to ever get the finger from the Speaker of the House during the State of the Union Address).

For the sake of ease (as I think it's safe to anticipate at least 3 threads popping up on this) let's have replies and comments here in one official thread so that everyone gets heard and can be appropriately flamed if they don't agree with absolutely everything that we believe (kidding, obviously, keep it civil).

An impromptu contest
Members who would like to issue a rebuttal to the president's speech after it is complete should include the title "Rebuttal" in the subject bar of their post to this thread.
By some unscientific process which I am not completely sure of yet (I may invent a scoring sheet or I may just rate them summarily), the top three rebuttals will be selected and rewarded with an applause and a WATS vote from me.

posted on Jan, 23 2007 @ 09:13 PM
I am going to run a play by play durring the speech here. I was going to start a thread about this but I will yield to this thread. I should have time in between each statement to write something about my feelings on what this talking monkey has to say.

Hopefully the Speaker of the House will be giving quite a many one finger salute to the president tonight. Perhaps a slap upside his head!

Madam Speaker! That is a great thing to be able to say! At least Bush had the honor enough to call attention to this historic speaker of the house.

The right of custom he tells about the hardship of the American state of the Union. Each of the people there are suposed to be guided by their constituancy not their own personal views.

The future of opertunity in this country does not include this talking monkey at the podium tonight. He wants to talk about getting more buisnessness started. Yet he has singlehandedly messed up the budget that was balanced when Clinton was in office. This governmnet has the largest defecit in history.

Ah the five year plan to eliminate the deficit. LOL Least he is talking about killing earmarked money that has no place in laws.

Social Security is a plan that the government started and forced on the American people now it's in danger because they have been diping into it this entire time! Now this moron wants to save it and save his behind.

The no Child left behind act is underfunded. Drasticly underfunded.

Private health insurance is the best way to meet their needs. Thats a joke he has already wanted to tax health insurance. Afordable healthcare for avarage americans that make minimum wage is nearly impossible. Least some states are thinking about socialized health care.

Health Savings accounts? Like that would work! ah and here comes the intro to the RFID Chip! Technology for health reasons.

So far this speach has been nothing but lip service.

Now onto Boarder Controll. Temporary Worker Program. I have thought of this years ago!

John Mcain looks constipated LOL (sorry)

So far he hasnt said anything of real consiquence to America.

Now he talks about Energy what next?!? Ah terrorists lets put that fear got to force that fear down everyones throat.

Has no one even looked at geothermal energy? Ethinal, bio desiel, Nuclear power (he still can't say it right :lol

How come Cheiny laughed when Bush said 2017? He can't even keep a straight face when Bush talkes about 2017 why is that?

and the arobic workout continues in the congress whenever bush makes a statement. it's worse thain Catholic Church.

Back to throwing fear down the American peoples throats. More terrorist threats by this president even though not much has happened outside the norm. Governments love to have this enemy to controll their people.

Great now he has alienated Sheites as well as Sunis and basicly called all muslums extreemists!

Short little blurb now about big brother and what it can do to protect you the American people. I remember speaches like this when reagan was president.
Welcome to the new cold war.

Now he is patting himself on the back for things that other countries have done Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebinon.

Unlike us to leave with promises unkept? Ask Vietnam.

Wait here we go the plan to put more troops into Iraq. Lets ignore the will of the American people and put more of our boys into a dangerous and horrible place, where the people that live there don't want us there. I say its high time Iraq learns to sink or swim.

The best chance for success is for us to come home. Give the Iraq its country back!

Joe Liberman looks quite bored. Or is that he just doesnt care and will agree to anything?

More Sep 11 references. Gotta love that fear. Fear and Ignorance Ignorance and Fear these are this morons watchwords.

We did not vote for failure. LMAO google Failure and hit "Im Feeling Lucky"

The war on terror will continue long after you and I have given over to others. Yea thanks Bush thanks a lot! Suppose diplomacy wouldnt have worked in the begining eh?

great 92,000 more troops "Sigh"

Civilian Reserve Corps? Can anyone say DRAFT!

Op here we go lets talk about invading Iran now. Like we don't have enough problems with Iraq we need to destabalize the region further.

And yet bush still cannot pronounce NUCLEAR!

Ah finnaly Darfur gets an honorable mention a horrible genocide gets a small one liner from the talking monkey. I do have to say his handlers have realy worked on his speach skills. Or is it the constant interuptions give him time to focus LOL

Does bush think that HIV and AIDS is one single phrase? HIVAIDS

Laura Bush just looks like the devil to me I am sorry but she does.

Finnaly he said at the end that the state of the union is strong. Traditionaly this prase was said at the beginning of the speach.

Bushs speach can be summed up as such

Fear fear fear. Ignorance, ignorance, ignorance. Now my fellow Americans we have witnessed the birth of the new cold war. This war is hot right now as we are going after countries that we feel harber this threat. But lately this threat has been just that a threat. We are going to see less of Al Quada and more of fear of Al Quada.

The only thing I have seen him say of any real substance in this speach was ithe bit of Heathcare. If he realy plans this heath care tax break this might just be the only thing good that has been brought forward through this speech.

He realy avoided the subject of the sectarian violence in Iraq instead he alienated Sheite muslums, these have been so far our best Muslum allies now hes putting them with extreemist Sunni Muslums. Sigh.

He starts of saying that the state of the union is troubled and ends it with the state of the union is strong.

(only two years left, only two years left)

This has been a comentary by What U KNO Net Radio for Above

posted on Jan, 24 2007 @ 12:02 AM
Im surprised that there is only one response so far, but perhaps that is only because 9pm Eastern is so close to bed time for many people (including John McCain if my eyes did not deceive me.)

I'll refrain from commenting at length on your rebuttal for now Whatuknow... I do have a few things to say but since there is a contest at stake, although so far not a very successful one, I would like to give everyone their shot.

(I'll close the contest late tomorrow)

One impression that I will share right now though is that our members should carefully evaluate the speech in light of the President's budget proposal.

Part of the plan to balance the budget involves underfunding the payment of interest on the national debt. This means that even though the budget is balanced, the national debt will continue to grow. That isn't really a balanced budget. It's like not paying your rent so that you can spend 800 dollars in vegas and saying that you had balanced your personal budget for the month. You're going to have to pay your rent, plus a late fee, the first week of next month... you just hid the shortfall on a separate page of your bank book.


posted on Jan, 24 2007 @ 01:13 AM
same old crap from bush that we heard last year and the year before, we need to elect officials into office who actually get stuff done and represent us. the democrat agenda is irrelevant as it does not adress any key issues in this country so anything they are trying to get through is garbage.

posted on Jan, 24 2007 @ 02:02 AM
Interesting drive-by ape. I'd be interested in hearing your rebuttal to Mr. Webb's response speech. Do you believe the issues he addressed are irrelevant or do you simply doubt that he meant what he said?

posted on Jan, 24 2007 @ 04:57 AM

Originally posted by The Vagabond
Part of the plan to balance the budget involves underfunding the payment of interest on the national debt. This means that even though the budget is balanced, the national debt will continue to grow. That isn't really a balanced budget. It's like not paying your rent so that you can spend 800 dollars in vegas and saying that you had balanced your personal budget for the month. You're going to have to pay your rent, plus a late fee, the first week of next month... you just hid the shortfall on a separate page of your bank book.

Didnt Clinton balance the budget years ago? I thought that by now the national debt was suposed to have been drasticly reduced? But nope we got El Georgio De Muerte as Prez the last 6 years. Now he wants to start balancing the budget again and get it under controll in the next five years? The national debt will continue to grow your absolutly right Vagabond.

He also stated a bit of lip service about reducing the amount of Earmarked money sliped into bills at the last moment. But only by half. These earmarks are little bits of Imbesselment in my opinion that the government has given a cute name to.

I seriously would also watch out for this Civilian Reserve Corps. This sounds like a prelude to a draft. Yea you probably won't see much combat duity untill they ship your sorry butt off to Iraq or the next quagmire that we start thanks to the Warmonger in Chief.

I have a good one for 2012 Conspiracy theorists out there. I noticed that Cheney laughed each time Bush mentioned 2017 durring his speach. Just an observation but why would Cheney laugh?

posted on Jan, 24 2007 @ 11:50 AM
The conspiracy theorist in me couldn't help but notice Mr. Bush's brief mention of a "Civilian Reserve Corps." The conservative in me is repelled by the notion that the government should become the country's largest employer. As I prepare new material for my CM forum, I will certainly have to addres this one in more detail.

As a former [Federal] civil servant, I can say from experience that the Fed is already busy providing jobs for people that the private sector wouldn't hire. This labor mobilization program smacks of socialist work programs carried out by the Euro Fascists in the 1930's. Their goal wasn't just the employment of the jobless. They had...other goals in mind, too.

By creating a work force that is essentially loyal to the government, we risk expanding Federal power yet again. Unintentiionally[?], the Federal job roles will play an artificial role in the 'health' of the economy. the private sector could be at the mercy of the Fed, even more so than it is today thanks to the recent centralization of authorities accomplished by the Bush administration.

More on this later, in the COM forums.

posted on Jan, 24 2007 @ 05:28 PM
I just read the analysis of the Bush's healthcare proposal and I think this is a dangerous idiocy.


(a) it does nothing to stop the exponential growth of healthcare in this country, hence can't really be a long term solution in the firstplace
(b) it effectively taxes people who do have health insurance already, and takes the proceeds to give to those who don't. While I agree this is a step (awkward as it is) toward social justice, I can't help thinking that Bush is somehow quote OK with tax cuts for the rich, while effectively putting more tax burden, via this health plan, on the middle class.

Bottom line, employers will be less able to afford/provide/subsidise health insirance for their employees. It's a zero sum game... Except for Bush's tax cuts.

I can't understand people giving this bull# a standing ovation.


posted on Jan, 24 2007 @ 09:57 PM
If I understand it correctly, won't only those who spend more than the appropriate deductible for their healthcare pay taxes on it? So I for example, who does not receive employer benefits, and who only pays about $1600 a year will gleefully enjoy a $7500 deduction.

Could this possibly be a measure to help undermine a future attempt at socialized healthcare (Clinton)?

Also I'd be interested in more detail about this medical liability reform. I'm guessing there's a few lines in there that limit corporate liability in a pandemic event. This I think is perfectly fine and necessary, but I would like it to at least be made known.

posted on Jan, 26 2007 @ 10:02 PM
Well, I'd hoped people would be a little more opinionated, but that's what we get for having the State of the Union compete with American Idol.

Results to be announced within a couple of hours for you wonderful few who think Bush is more amusing than Simon Cowell.

Edit to add...

And the winners are...

Justin Oldham put forward a very strong showing for its brevity, picking an overlooked angle and making an interesting analysis of it.

Whatukno put forward the most ambitious response, offering a survey of all of the issues covered and making me chuckle a few times at things I had noticed also. Hitting an unpopular present with both barrels runs the risk of being trendy though, so when you do it you really have to set yourself apart with great depth and insight. A little more depth to the criticism would probably have made it a hands down first place.

Aelita was too close to call with Whatukno, choosing to focus on one issue and, though not going into ridiculous depth, covering it pretty well.

Thanks for participating- the prize (one of the lamest in ATS history) is an applause and is on the way.

[edit on 26-1-2007 by The Vagabond]

posted on Jan, 26 2007 @ 10:43 PM
What do we get if we win again? Besides recognition and I told you so?

posted on Jan, 26 2007 @ 10:48 PM
I made the mistake of editing the results into my previous post, but just realized it wont update the thread in your subscription lists, so BUMP.

posted on Jan, 27 2007 @ 02:39 AM
I'm not bothered if the contest has finished.
The best thing that Bush can do for the rest of his term is to shut up. Bush isn't a great public speaker and when he opens his mouth he proves how out of touch with reality he and his admin are.

As for the State of the Union speech its a part of American political tradition and practice. There isn't an equivalent in the Commonwealth system of government that I know of. The value of making the state of the union address may have fallen because American politics has become more partisan since the 1960s. Someone like Ronald Reagan would be able to gain public support from a state of the Union address and maybe some partisan support.

Would a State of the Union address by Bush influence Congress ?
My guess is no due to the extreme partisan nature of American politics and as I noted above Bush isn't a great public speaker.

Its hard to know what to make of Bush he is certainly blinded by his political ideology and he is to easily influenced by those around him that much Im sure of.
Is Bush really the naive man from Texas ?
The troop surge in Iraq proves Bush has more political skills then he makes out.
I guess the answers belong on another thread............

posted on Jan, 28 2007 @ 06:24 PM
I won? Hey, whaddya know? I guess that's what a secretive panel of advisors and an elite strike team will do for you on a moment;s notice. Ha. And my people said he we needed to hack a satellite...

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