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"If you could ask a time traveler a question what would you ask?"

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posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 04:10 AM
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Thanks for trying to tell me what it means. I want to compare it to what TD says a




posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 04:46 PM
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Hey Cyber,
HAHA, I like your check list!

I must say in the stories in the links I posted, the religion part keeps coming up and I think the UMMO people have a similar story to christ which I cant help find disturbing, I get the feeling the bad guys made their way to some of these planets too like they did earth and taught them religion and they seem to be waiting for some kind of second coming, I cant say it makes me feel warm and fuzzy. I remember reading somewhere the pleiadians had a similar problem where controllers had a hold on them a long time ago as well, so it seems even if disclosure comes to earth, there is yet a much bigger picture to look at after the disclosure!

anyway, thats my input for now



posted on Dec, 7 2007 @ 08:57 PM
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Hello my friends!!

Unfortunately I am a little frustrated,

I have read a bunch of material at this site which includes the billy meier material:
www.galactic-server.com...

I have a question(s) to impose (to anyone) about ET intervention.

now, as I understand from the books I have read and other research it seems the earth is important to other worlds for many reasons of which many seem to make sense but what does not make sense to me at this time is that they do not go beyond our "leaders" to give us the "truth" about our universe because our leaders think we are not ready for that truth.

now if the leaders have a history of lies and deceit, what difference does it make?? in my opinion, that is like asking the slave master to release it's slaves for the sake of love, love which the leaders (slave masters) know nothing of it seems.

the point is why do the benevolent ET (not just plejarens) not extend these offers to masses one individual at a time? and if they have, its seems to far few??

In my opinion, the many leaders we have that cheated their way to their positions of power (how many is that??) should not be considered for such extends of help.

so the question is, why do they go to oppressing leaders when they know they will be rejected anyway, why not go to the one's that "know" or want to know??

please forgive my frustration, any insight would help!!



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 06:03 PM
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Hey Spaceranger !!!!!!!!!!

One theory of why, (this is not necessarily what I believe) is that to do so would be to give us a 'free ride'. If we are here indeed to learn what we have to learn to be able to move on to the next level, then intervention would upset that process. If this is the case then all the information about who, what, why and where would be just a distraction as it does not interfere with us becoming a loving caring person. (or what ever it is we are meant to become...lol)

The next question would be then if people at the same stage as us on other planets go through the same thing or not. Are they also kept in the dark and fed BS like us? This we don't know. I hope that the playing field is level in this aspect as it would be unfair if it wasn't.

I think the whole process sucks. Imagine studying for an exam for 12 months only to have your memory erased as you enter the room to sit the exam. This is what it feels like to me. It does not seem like a very efficient way to do things having people running around not knowing the truth about the world ect.

I agree with what you are saying about contact being made with far too few. Contact is still being made to us through dreams but I often wonder at how they pick out a certain person over others to make physical contact. What is the criteria they use or is it really just random?

Never will I understand why they go through the leaders and not the individuals. We have had over 60-70 years of this and what is there to show for it?

Hey has OTD received the DVD yet about that lady who had all the footage from years of contact? Maybe there is some information in there to chew over.



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 07:17 PM
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Hi all

Checking in for now, will make a post later, when time allowes.

Nothing Earth shattering to report.



posted on Dec, 8 2007 @ 10:54 PM
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Hi, all!!

I am in the same boat as win 52. It's the holidays here, and more of a demand has been made on my time - not to mention I have holiday shopping going on.

Cyber, I have received the DVD you spoke of. It ran 45min or so, and was mostly clips of the family talking about their mother's/grandmother's footage of strange lights. That was it (!).

The DVD was a waste of money. There was no evidence shown. The ad for the DVD boasted this woman had something like 30,000 feet of raw film of her contacts. Guess what? It was nothing but some lights. Everything coming out these days easily trumps the "evidence" they released on this video.

What's up, spacerocker!! I read your post/question about ET/government contact, and tried to search through my head to dig up anything I've read or heard about that.

The only thing I came up with was that, as James Gilliland stated in one of his interviews, there have been lower, more service to self oriented beings that have come here, attracted to the same "intentions" put out by our government, who for the longest time has endeavored to reach to the stars for their own selfish purposes.

These early days were the days of secret contracts and meetings, and abductions, etc. But the game is changing. Like James says, there is a greater call going out from the majority of the planet now. And that call has a higher, more love (service to other) orientation. The beings answering this call are of a higher order - but they don't respond, or conduct themselves in the manner we are used to; or have experienced. Contact was probably more cut-and-dried before. It's not anymore.

Just like TD and others have indicated before, there have been different groups, or types of beings that were allowed to interact with us. Everything happens with oversight, but early on there doesn't necessarily need to be interference by our guardians. Our growth is, I presume, a process we can't fully understand. However, it seems reasonable to me that there might be a policy of non-interference; even if there were some form of protection...Who knows?

The game is changing though. We are a race calling out for contact from the heart. This is a terrific and resounding plea. It's not like we are completely in the dark and ignorant of our place in the universe. We are waking up; and we are asking these questions now.

Someone else said it as well, but there is an evolution to a planet - a "how" and a "when" that planet becomes aware of and introduced to its neighbors. In an infinite universe with countless planets, teaming with intelligent life it's become clear that every planet grows up sooner or later. We are experiencing one such evolution. It's just not going to happen as we would expect, or wish.

It's been said, as I indicated earlier, that there have been various races involved with our own at different times, and for different purposes. You indicated yourself about your readings on religion, and how it was used with underdeveloped, or unevolved civilizations as a tool for control. This is very likely what had happened to us in the beginning. But we are seeing through all of that - we are awakening to our reality, and we are collectively saying GIVE IT TO US!

This is definitely something that is common in descriptions of what is happening now. In particular, we have been mislead, deceived, tampered with, and exploited - but the degree to which this was allowed to happen was clearly allowed to take place to some extent (although, I've also read of a conflict(s) early on that interrupted our evolution).

I believe there was a sort of "call" sent out to the universe by our consciousness at various times in our past. It's kind of like drawing to you what you need to learn. In one sense, we sent out a request by our somewhat unevolved (i.e., limited) conscious understanding of our universe for something that would help us understand our universe. It was sort of a call for a lesson, drawn to us simply by our desire to understand our universe. That call was answered by the requisite energies/entities.

We are at a different level now. We have used those lessons, and now it's time to evolve further and take on new lessons. You can't hang onto fundamentalist religious stories and dogma forever. It prevents growth, and this universe is driven by growth. To some degree, we may be involved in a decision-making process right now - do we hang onto our dated, dogmatic and limited views of our existence, or do we move on? To a larger extent, however, we are not really being offered a choice. It is time to move forward.

It should be clear to everyone that what is happening now is completely unprecedented, and is quickly leading us to full blown contact. What we are seeing over our cities right now is astonishing. It is something not witnessed at this scale before.

Simply going off of my government contact, and their sobering statement about this ufo activity increasing is enough to make it clear we are in it. The past is the past. And the future is here.

Of course, this is all well and good. I can refer to various articles and credible contactees, etc., but no one really knows until we get there. The only sure thing, however, is that we are getting there. These craft are playing with one government entity, and that's NASA. NASA is, as we know, a front for a very secret government/military operation that DOES NOT HAVE OUR BEST INTERESTS AT HEART. So let them continue to play...And let them feel free to do it closer to the ground.

It's clear that these craft WANT themselves to be seen. But are they swooping down and menacing us? NO. So these are worldwide efforts at public contact; or rather, the beginnings of worldwide, public contact. This is the way it occurs. No more governments.

I will say, however, that it's been very quiet out, despite all of the holiday activity around here. It feels like the calm before the storm. The last time it was calm like this a comet erupted ahah

To everything there is an ebb and flow. We are experiencing an ebb right now. Like win 52 said, we are enjoying a time shared with friends and family. After this time of gathering, we move into the new year, 2008. There should be another cycle soon; a flow.

It's important to have these times to rest; to be quiet, and to experience a "regular" life. A peaceful sort of digestion - a reflection of the things we've just experienced. The cycle will quickly come back around, because, again we are in a period of acceleration. Don't forget that.

Continue to dismiss negatively oriented messages. These messages often have positive messages mixed in with them.

If you think that we are about to be enslaved guess what - we would have been by now. The reason any folks in power work in secret and use psychological operations (read religion, or technology) is that they are unable to do this through any other means. But once they and their methods are discovered they lose all power. This is happening now. The worst these folks can do is to hope to influence those without discernment - the rest of us can laugh off everything they send our way.

Choose peace. Choose to bless those offering misleading, or deceitful information, and walk your own path. Carry this philosophy in your heart, steadfastly, and let no one and no thing take it away. This is the greatest gift you've been given. It's all yours. Hold it until the very end, and with a smile, happily take it with you. This is your spark. Let nothing cause you to doubt it.

Again, I urge everyone to take a look above them at night. Especially on clear nights. Take note of how many craft are in the sky. For my area, it's incredible. Also, take a look at how the craft move, and their lights. I'm seeing a lot that appear to just sit, or which move very slowly, or speed across the same flight path...

I have not had a chance to film these guys over my area yet, but I've received the Infrared filter and the zoom lenses. When I get it fired up I'll let you know.

Have patience. It's tough to go from the excitement level of what is happening, back down to the seeming banality and silence of our often oppressive existence.

At some point, you will realize - everyone will - that we can't go back to the way we were. We can't go anywhere but forward. We have spiritually and psychologically grown up; we have mentally moved from the surface of this planet and move steadily and surely toward the inevitable - contact and indoctrination into the society of greater beings who thrive all around us.

We're almost there...





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posted on Dec, 9 2007 @ 09:16 AM
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Yes, that is the bottom line.....We do not have to accept what is being shoved down our throats for one minute more. Talking to my Dad, he said there is nothing you can do about Govt and other things we don't like.

Well, I say there is. That is the base line in all of this. We need to stand up and say "no more". I don't mean vote, because your vote right now means nothing. What are you voting for? The outcome will be the same no matter who you vote for.

Yes vote, vote for real change. Something no Government existing today can give you. Vote for true freedom. Who can offer you this? No Government in existance, that is for sure.

Yes my friends, we are the catalyst for all of the changes. It is like the Biblical story of Lot where God said he would spare Sodom and Gamorah if there were any good men in those cities.(I think there was a number). The bottom line is that there were no men worth saving, except for Lot.

Here, now, we have many good Men and Women who will not accept what we are told as being truth. We want change, and are striving toward that end as I type. We can change things by not giving the time of day to those old ways.

Folks, I said pray, but that is merely a form of telepathic communication with a benevolent race who are here to realy help us fulfill our destiny. Pray like never before, because your prayers are being heard by those beings who can effect changes.....bar none.

"Seek the light, you are beings of light."



posted on Dec, 9 2007 @ 04:18 PM
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thanks friends,
I knew I could count on you guys for some wisdom!!I was in a mood for justice!!

so did anyone peruse those links/stories with many similarities to what TD said?? any opinions/observations?



posted on Dec, 10 2007 @ 01:56 AM
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...THis guy is just the cooolest...man he speaks straight from the soul...

Alright guys i found some good new similarities for ya. This guy Riley L. Martin is quite the character, he is very interesting to listen to, and kind of reminds me of TD at some times.

Listen to these 2 interviews:

the stuff he talks about gives me light into what TD says

- Downloading large amounts of info into your head ( using virtual reality headsets) Exactly what TD says
- Alien mothership ( i think this is the one TD talks about also)
- the different races in the mothership
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- Wiping your memory (there seems to be the same step procedure for abductions...wiping your memory and bringing you back after a week...lol)

Major Corroberation:
- the choice of immortality!!!
- living thousands of years with the use of technology!!!!
- cloning yourself a new body!!!!
- getting board with living and letting go of physical life ( or in TDs words "going to chill with the creator)

- the thing that is also cool which probably doesn't even relate is that he was abducted by 2 aliens when he was 7 then at 18, and then later on in life...

back in 2000 when people were talking about y2k he was talking about global warming and 2012. And also you can tell this is loving and true, it almost reminds me of the stuff Td went through...even the sex with the aliens...looooool


Part 1 coming of tan interview
www.youtube.com...

List of all parts


Riley Martin began having alien encounters when he was seven. He says he was taken aboard an alien spacecraft to a huge mothership in the rings of Saturn. Their computers downloaded into his brain the history of humanity, alien insights, and beautiful symbols by the thousands. He has chronicled his experiences in the book "The Coming of Tan." Riley shared his experiences aboard a mothership near Saturn, where he learned about a race called the Biaviians (BE-AH-VEANS). Martin claims to have been taken to the Biaviian spacecraft as a small child, though for 35 years he did not remember this childhood encounter, he explained. While aboard the mothership, Martin said the Biaviians downloaded "digital-neurological scenarios" from their alien archives into his brain, which gave him knowledge of the secrets of the universe, as well as the ability to relieve pain with mere touch.

Having lost their capacity for "extreme emotions," Martin said the logic-bound Biaviians admire mankind's passionate nature, which he noted as one of the reasons they continue to interact with humans. According to Martin, the Biaviians have been breeding with humans since biblical times in order to create a human-alien hybrid that can feel (emotionally) as humans do. Martin alleges he has participated in this Biaviian breeding program, and produced six children as a result.

Riley L. Martin was born May 9, 1946, in Mississippi to a family of sharecroppers of African American and Native American descent. This story starts one night when Riley was seven years old... he saw a strange light out by the river, he tried to wake up his brothers and not one of them would wake from their sleep. The next night the lights were brighter and little Riley was more excited and this time he tried to wake up everyone in the house including his parents. Then on the third night when the lights appeared again he didn't attempt to wake his family... he took his trusted dog Brownboy and they went to the river to investigate.

That fateful night; two aliens took little Riley on his first trip to their mothership near Saturn. Riley's second trip was when he was 18. It was on this trip that they placed a strange looking headset on him... then in a matter of seconds download into his brain... 144,000 different symbols...then while Riley slept they downloaded the history of humanity, alien insights, and a whole lot more. Riley made friends with this little alien he calls Tan. O-Qua Tangin Wann.

December 10th, 2005
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Author Riley Martin discussed his experiences aboard a mothership near Saturn and his interactions with an alien race called the Biaviians. He said the recent photos taken by the Cassini spacecraft of a brightly illuminated object above Saturn show the alien mothership he visited on several occasions.

Martin's story began in Northeastern Arkansas in 1953 when, according to him, he saw lights in the sky above the St. Francis River. Martin claims to have heard voices calling him to the river one night, where he witnessed two beings descending from a spaceship. The aliens, called Tan and Nela, brought Martin aboard their craft and took him to a mothership orbiting near Saturn. Martin described the mothership as 40 km (28 mi) across with domed gardens and powered by "hydrogen-fed fusion cores."

Martin said the Biaviian civilization is located 450 light years from earth, but the aliens can travel that distance in a mere 4 1/2 years. According to Martin, members of the Biaviian race stands about 4-feet high with large heads, oval-shaped eyes and skin colors ranging from olive black to chalk white. They have elongated arms and four-fingered hands extending almost to the knee. Martin said that tens of thousands of Biaviians live and work on the mothership, and they communicate with each other telepathically.

Martin alleges to have been taught many things while on the mothership. On one occasion he asked Tan about the existence of other life in the Milky Way Galaxy. Tan replied, "If you should visit a new living sphere each day for the duration of your gestation you would not even begin to tax the number, neither would I." Since Tan's race can extend their existence for thousands of years, Martin concluded that our galaxy must be filled with countless living planets.

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2nd interview

Alien contact: Riley Martain part 1
www.youtube.com...

list of all parts


here is a picture of the alien "Tan" that he talks about


www.rileymartin.com...

his site:
www.rileymartin.com...


Amazing guy, it would be cool to talk to him


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posted on Dec, 10 2007 @ 07:04 AM
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Hi, ATSGUY and all you rockers out there!!

I wanted to add to what ATSGUY found at thecomingoftan.com. I am short on time, but it needs be mentioned that Riley actually met another human being on that mother ship, who is a guy now living in Hawaii.

The person Riley had a meeting with, both of which remember, is named Michael. Michael has done, and is doing, weekly interviews (Tuesdays) at another site called, Helloearth.info, which is linked at Riley's website.

Michael remembers Riley, and they have talked recently. What is great about Michael's appearance on the scene is that he corroborates a lot of what Riley says; although, Michael does have his own experiences.

These experiences include, having sex with three beautiful, human-looking women and meeting Jesus. Michael says that his encounter with Jesus began with him thinking this was some hippie; a very ordinary person. But his opinion quickly changed when he realized who he was standing before. He talks about this encounter in at least one interview.

The site owner at Helloearth is asking for help transcribing the interviews, but he's got a couple done already.

Here are some things I learned from the interviews with Michael.

1) The beings on the mothership call that ship the "New Jerusalem"

2) Our race was being nurtured and assisted along, but a battle erupted at some point in our distant past and this was interrupted. The victors in this battle assumed this territory, and because of that a quarantine was placed on our planet. The quarantine has been, and is being further lifted. Assistance with our evolution, advancement into the greater society is resuming at a greater pace.

3) We have a royal heritage and a destiny given to us by our creator. This was interfered with by other beings who wanted to interrupt our connection with our creator, and/or our knowledge of our reality and our destiny.

4) Jesus chose to incarnate as a human being, thereby inviting our race, ultimately, into the greater galactic collective (i.e., he invited into the neighborhood).

5) The beings on the mothership expressed love - "God's love," according to Michael. And this love – their hearts – is what they wanted Michael to share with us. The more we can accept that there is love out there, the closer they can come to the earth – and they are coming closer.

6) They cannot interfere and just give us free energy, because what we are would dissolve, according to Michael. In other words, we can't become reliant upon them for everything, but at the same time, we are receiving inspiration and technology; so this isn't necessarily how things are working.

7) The traditions of man have made first contact more difficult. They have kept man from moving forward and achieving greater understanding. Man has taken our traditions as the ultimate truth, and it is preventing mankind from SEEING and receiving the real truth.

Michael takes as an example the fundamentalist Christians who cannot see anything outside of the bible. Michael talks of the shortcomings of these limiting belief systems and sees them as an obstruction to the revealing of greater truths.

8) Michael says that the college/school of the future is the Internet. And it requires people who understand these things to use plain language to share these revelations and have them be seen and understood by the entire planet. [I can see this also]

9) Michael says these beings were on a schedule. “intense preparation”, “very business-like” There was something they were doing. “There's something up.”

10) These beings told Michael that what is happening now is for those who are seeking more; who want to know more of God [not the Christian God, but the source/creator]; more of existence. It is an answer.

Michael said that the mothership (AKA New Jerusalem) had a “newness” and this newness will be brought to our planet. He described this newness as a completely different architecture and atmosphere. Our political structure will change and become in accord with this greater community; the universe. The quarantine that was removed is part of these changes. We are no longer known as a quarantine sphere.

11) Ordinary people, the ones who do not have a power structure, are the ones to become enlightened and to inherit the earth.

12) Michael says his memories have been like a fog that he knows hides something, but his memories are returning to him at this time, which he believes is significant.

I looked up New Jerusalem, and Jesus' Second Coming and read those passages without the religious connotation. They speak simply of cloud ships; and reference Jesus' departure into the clouds, and his arrival in similar fashion. Michael talks about the mothership being "new" and that, that newness will be brought to the earth. Michael actually talks about the jasper and elements that are reflected in the Book of Revelation. Here is a LINK to info on the Second Coming as written in the bible. See if you can read these passages without the religious overtones and they are talking about ufos and cloudships, etc.

It is also interesting to note that Ra in the Law of One talks about the "Council that oversees our world" in Volume One of David Wilcock's "Shift of the Ages",



Later on in the book, Elkins asks a question about where Ra came from, and they tell him the planet Venus, many millions of years ago in our terms; they have since gone on to the sixth dimension.

They describe how they were seen as luminous beings when they appeared on Earth. Elkins then asked them how they were able to appear on Earth.

Since they were sixth-dimensional beings, how were they able to appear in the third? This will prove to be an interesting answer that will also provide more questions.

Q: How were you able to make the transition from Venus? Did you have to change your dimension to walk upon the Earth?

RA: I am Ra. You will remember the exercise of the wind. [This was a process regarding opening the pathway to higher consciousness.] The dissolution into nothingness is the dissolution into unity, for there is no nothingness.

From the sixth dimension, we are capable of manipulating, by thought, the intelligent infinity present in each particle of light or distorted light so that we were able to clothe ourselves in a replica visible in the third density of our mind / body / spirit complexes in the sixth density.

We were allowed this experiment by the Council which guards this planet.


Again, what Ra seems to be referring to here is that they are taking each “distorted particle of light,” and manipulating its frequency to a lower vibrational level in order that they might become physically visible to us on Earth.

What they are obviously referring to is consciousness units, which have been central to our discussion. Ra then seems to hint at some form of cosmic government or Council that allowed them to do this. Naturally, Elkins jumped on the opportunity to ask about this.

Q: Where is this Council located?

RA: I am Ra. This council is located in the octave, or eighth dimension, of the planet Saturn, taking its place in an area which you understand in third-dimension terms as the rings.


SOURCE

I also wanted to add some links to sites on cloudships. I've done a little more reading and found that the author of Operation Terra (or one of them) had contact experiences with cloud ships who actually told her to, "Go home and read Ezekiel." This tale is linked at Operationterra.com

The OP for OT indicated above had this recent update to share,


This month, several planets in our solar system and our sun are aligning with the Galactic Center, which is sending powerful energies through to break apart and transform old structures and ways of being. Many more people are having cloudships appearing for them as "a show of presence."

People in the first two waves are being worked on constantly and the pull of the timelines separating out from each other can be felt by those who are sensitive to these energies. 2008 is shaping up to be a very dramatic year. As some old structures come tumbling down, be certain that new life and new forms are going to emerge and lead the way through the chaos ahead. Steady as she goes!


SOURCE

Here are three more links to cloudship sites: LINK 1, LINK 2 and LINK 3.

Finally, here is a small find re: TD's ancient satellites. I am off again...

Have a great week!! And hang in there!!

Peace...



posted on Dec, 10 2007 @ 12:29 PM
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I would ask simply, 'How can the people of the world, free themselves from the evil parasites who control our Governments, without us having to resort to their violent means?'
Horsegiver.





posted on Dec, 10 2007 @ 05:57 PM
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HEy OTD,

Great find i started listening to the interviews...lol its like 21 interviews and they are each 1 hour long...but it is really amazing what he talks about.

i found one part fascinating

helloearth.info...

near the end, it doesn't really show the time at the part...but Micheal starts talking about the elders. The lady asked him if he saw any symbols on their "purple robes", and he said he saw something like the star of David. Sheldan Nidle said that is the symbol of the galactic federation i think...check it out

www.paoweb.com...

really interesting, these guys must also be apart of the federation. It is so crazy and cool how everything is falling into place, it is all one big peace of the puzzle.

here is an artists illustration of one of the elders and other creatures on the ship.

www.thecomingoftan.com...

www.thecomingoftan.com...

symbols:

thecomingoftan.com...

Also the aliens recommended Micheal a book called THE URANTIA BOOK...so yea i know i am gonna check it out.

en.wikipedia.org...

he says that the Ets composed it...

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posted on Dec, 11 2007 @ 10:25 PM
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4 I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north—an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal, 5 and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance their form was that of a man, 6 but each of them had four faces and four wings. 7 Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze. 8 Under their wings on their four sides they had the hands of a man. All four of them had faces and wings, 9 and their wings touched one another. Each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved.

10 Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a man, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle. 11 Such were their faces. Their wings were spread out upward; each had two wings, one touching the wing of another creature on either side, and two wings covering its body. 12 Each one went straight ahead. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, without turning as they went. 13 The appearance of the living creatures was like burning coals of fire or like torches. Fire moved back and forth among the creatures; it was bright, and lightning flashed out of it. 14 The creatures sped back and forth like flashes of lightning.

15 As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. 16 This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. 17 As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not turn about [d] as the creatures went. 18 Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around.

19 When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. 20 Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. 21 When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.

22 Spread out above the heads of the living creatures was what looked like an expanse, sparkling like ice, and awesome. 23 Under the expanse their wings were stretched out one toward the other, and each had two wings covering its body. 24 When the creatures moved, I heard the sound of their wings, like the roar of rushing waters, like the voice of the Almighty, [e] like the tumult of an army. When they stood still, they lowered their wings.


The Link to the whole Book

Cha Ching,..... I know there is a connection. Why do you think I always try to link God and Jesus with the ET phenomena we are experiencing right now? Because it is connected, Duh!

Read the part about the new Jerusalem settling to earth and all the dwelling apartments within the city.

I also know the big battle is already won. If you think this will be violent, well it may reach that levell of tension. No Earth Human will need to act violently. I am not sure of the logistics of how the final trump, so to speak, will be played out.

I believe once the complete un-cut truth is exposed and we get to see and understand what took place here for the past few thousand years, we will understand the why's and what fore's. We will have a time of true peace and understanding, Worldwide.

Just wanted to add, after reading more of Ezekiel, that whole Book is jumping off the paige for me. It is so real to me. We are in those times right now. Now that is an experience worth striving for.



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posted on Dec, 12 2007 @ 04:40 AM
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Hey There !!!!!!

I can't keep up with what you guys are posting. I am about 2 pages behind with the videos it feels.


Seems like I have hit a wall at the moment and feel like I am going backwards. I was given a test today. A test that I have failed in the past a few times. Failed it again, even knowing more about it than I have before and knowing how to pass it. Simple but totaly stupid on my part.

Just not feeling as connected as I was. The posts that you guys put here will help me to refocus and will inspire me to get back on the job. Keep up the good work.



posted on Dec, 12 2007 @ 08:27 AM
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Originally posted by win 52

4 I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north—an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal, 5 and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance their form was that of a man, 6 but each of them had four faces and four wings. 7 Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze. 8 Under their wings on their four sides they had the hands of a man. All four of them had faces and wings, 9 and their wings touched one another. Each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved.

10 Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a man, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle. 11 Such were their faces. Their wings were spread out upward; each had two wings, one touching the wing of another creature on either side, and two wings covering its body. 12 Each one went straight ahead. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, without turning as they went. 13 The appearance of the living creatures was like burning coals of fire or like torches. Fire moved back and forth among the creatures; it was bright, and lightning flashed out of it. 14 The creatures sped back and forth like flashes of lightning.

15 As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. 16 This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. 17 As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not turn about [d] as the creatures went. 18 Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around.

19 When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. 20 Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. 21 When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.

22 Spread out above the heads of the living creatures was what looked like an expanse, sparkling like ice, and awesome. 23 Under the expanse their wings were stretched out one toward the other, and each had two wings covering its body. 24 When the creatures moved, I heard the sound of their wings, like the roar of rushing waters, like the voice of the Almighty, [e] like the tumult of an army. When they stood still, they lowered their wings.


The Link to the whole Book

Cha Ching,..... I know there is a connection. Why do you think I always try to link God and Jesus with the ET phenomena we are experiencing right now? Because it is connected, Duh!

Read the part about the new Jerusalem settling to earth and all the dwelling apartments within the city.

I also know the big battle is already won. If you think this will be violent, well it may reach that levell of tension. No Earth Human will need to act violently. I am not sure of the logistics of how the final trump, so to speak, will be played out.

I believe once the complete un-cut truth is exposed and we get to see and understand what took place here for the past few thousand years, we will understand the why's and what fore's. We will have a time of true peace and understanding, Worldwide.

Just wanted to add, after reading more of Ezekiel, that whole Book is jumping off the paige for me. It is so real to me. We are in those times right now. Now that is an experience worth striving for.



[edit on 11-12-2007 by win 52]


wait Win, is this stuff actually in the bible...is that in Ezekiel...loool i still don't know why they have to discredit alien beings. Its like saying you don't have a nose because you cant see it, but its right there in front of you. I gotta start reading the bible, i mean with all the new knowledge that we have all gained i wanna see what they had cooked up in their (aliens and all).

Also Micheal talks about the big mother ship near Saturn, its name is New Jerusalem. And even in the book they say that it would come down and stuff...so maybe we have a connection, just maybe...lol

I am on part 10 of the interview and it is very fascinating...the connection with everything from religion to the present day with ufos and the revelations is just amazing...nothing should be discredited because it was all orchestrated. It also gives you a better understanding of who we are.

helloearth.info...

lol and cyber i know how you feel. i am still watching the videos i posted and listening to the old Renato and Bart interviews...and also just some old Renato interviews that i have missed.

www.ufotimetravel.com...

recordings.talkshoe.com...

www.nowlive.com...

www.blogtalkradio.com...

Take care...i am still trying to finish the Tsaran videos..lol

And man don't worry Cyber, you will pass the test. Dont get yourself too down in the dumps.

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posted on Dec, 12 2007 @ 04:39 PM
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you know i have been listening to the old podcast of TD and Bart, and i came across one 3/04/07. You guys said you wanted to spread this to as many people as you could...and i got to thinking, i usually want to call in to Coast to Coast but i sometimes just forget and stuff...lol...With the next Art Bell coast to coast, he usually only comes out once a year on the radio, and considering he is probably the founder of coast to coast there will probably be millions of people tuned in to the show. There are millions of people tuned in every night but the Art Bell night is special. I can see no better way of spreading your story than going on coast to coast during open lines or something and talking about it..With TDs permission i would gladly talk about it and i think you guys and others should do too if you get the chance.

www.coasttocoastam.com...

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posted on Dec, 14 2007 @ 12:47 AM
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here's my question.. is it too late to be a time traveller? Because i would love to be one!

also

This mass landing you speak of, will some world event trigger it or is it just going to happen one day, like any other daY?


Thanks! good thread!


Wig

posted on Dec, 14 2007 @ 04:09 AM
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I would ask the time traveller to take me with him/her/it.

I also ask what has all this recent stuff on this thread got to do with the OP?



posted on Dec, 14 2007 @ 05:55 AM
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Hey Dudes & Dudettes !!!!!!!

I had a funny message come through today while driving. I hope I can explain it properly.

The Self was trying to convey the message about how everything around us can already be linked to life in the higher densities, in an infancy type of way.

Example given was of a Higher Level Being wishing to appear to us in this 3rd density world. The Being would have to select a body to do this as they do not have a solid body in their natural form. As you can guess there are many different choices of bodies (vehicles) to choose from to do this, all with different characteristics and qualities.

I was then told that if you think about it, we are already doing this. We do this every day. When we drive to work we enter a vehicle and thus enter a second density world when we drive to work. The vehicle we drive lets us function in this second dimensional world. Just as with the case of the Higher Level Being their are many different choices of vehicles all with different characteristics and qualities.

Our human bodies are just one type of vehicle for a third density world. When the journey is over you just get out of the vehicle as you do in your car and continue on to the next.

Other things like the radio being on only one channel and learning to be able to tune into all the channels at the same time were also explained. I guess it would be like having a car with hundreds of cell phones all working at the same time.


There are many more examples of things around us that can linked to the higher densities. Can anyone else list one?

Hey are we due for a radio show this weekend?



posted on Dec, 14 2007 @ 09:28 AM
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There is justification in what was being said now, contained in the entire thread. I would suggest you single out people by clicking on the thread button at the bottom of the post and read their contribution in this thread, to date.

I know it is a long thread, and there is a lot of debate at times. The negative things posted by crakeur at one point, carried the debate and added to the length of this thread.

We are still here posting because we are resolved to bring this information through to fruition. As my guide said, "You will not be alone with your understanding. Many people will be involved with bringing these events and changes into your reality. You will be a small part of the whole. You will be swept up and involved in the changes. You will see these things comming to pass and know the time is short. You will not be left behind. The human race will not be left behind. We will assist you every step of the way."

So, you see, I am not afraid of the future and what is in store for me. I have the promise of benevolent beings, that I (and this world) will be taken care of. My life to date is proof of just that. The bottom line is the times are changing. We are on the doorstep of a new reality where time travel will be as normal as going to the store for milk and bread.



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