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"If you could ask a time traveler a question what would you ask?"

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posted on Mar, 17 2007 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by Crakeur

Originally posted by timedrifter
if you accept a mission to do PR, than it is your place/right to release your footage, but clearance is needed by the community of volunteers.


in other words, you guys will go and party with Alexander the Great and come back with nothing more than your own stories as further proof.

I expected nothing less.
alexander the great said divide and conquer, I dont think I would party with him, maybe get um drunk and beat the heck out of him and film that!

this proof thing, I believe there is a thread link onthedeck threw up a page or two back, perhaps that is the link that best suits you, make suggestions of good proof ideas there.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

tell me what it would take instead of finding parasites under rocks in my story.




posted on Mar, 17 2007 @ 03:44 PM
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TD, you friend OTD set that thread up as a means of vetting ideas for your story here. That is how I see it. That is what it appeared to be. That is why he was always shooting down the valid suggestions as not viable. He wanted to establish that nothing would really work, this way, when people started asking him for proof on this story, his answers were all taken care of.

It was a clever plan. Others tried to do it after him.



posted on Mar, 17 2007 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by Crakeur
TD, you friend OTD set that thread up as a means of vetting ideas for your story here. That is how I see it. That is what it appeared to be. That is why he was always shooting down the valid suggestions as not viable. He wanted to establish that nothing would really work, this way, when people started asking him for proof on this story, his answers were all taken care of.

It was a clever plan. Others tried to do it after him.
did you look at the very first post?? I asked him to post it for me, your really on the ball aren't you?
vetting ideas for what?? you know your really sending mixed vibes here, why are you here? to put on debunking muscles?? what is it, there is nothing wrong with questioning everything but come on already.



posted on Mar, 17 2007 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by timedrifter
]did you look at the very first post?? I asked him to post it for me, your really on the ball aren't you?
vetting ideas for what?? you know your really sending mixed vibes here, why are you here? to put on debunking muscles?? what is it, there is nothing wrong with questioning everything but come on already.


I read it and I was active in it until it was obvious that he was going to find reasons why every single answer wouldn't work.

I'm here for many reasons.


Incidentally, and on a slight tangent, there's a show on tonight about the biggest celebrity bloopers and apparently Paris Hilton and Mel Gibson are featured. I wonder if they'll talk about being part of the last supper etc.



posted on Mar, 17 2007 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by Crakeur

Originally posted by ChiliDog
So, uh - just me posting is enough, eh?


Once again, let me say that pointless, one line posts will not be tolerated. This thread deserves the to be treated just like any other thread, whether you believe the story or not, so please refrain from the unnecessary one liners.

thanks.


How is this not a valid question? I was not asked for any contact information, a location, physical description, etc. I was surprised by this. Why would I not be, and that being the case, wouldnt this question be the logical next step?

How was this in any way pointless?



posted on Mar, 17 2007 @ 07:35 PM
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My apologies chili, I didn't see what you were getting at in your post. there were several posts prior to that centering on one liners and I thought you were being a wise....

thanks for adding me as a foe. It means a lot to me.



posted on Mar, 17 2007 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by Crakeur
My apologies chili, I didn't see what you were getting at in your post. there were several posts prior to that centering on one liners and I thought you were being a wise....

thanks for adding me as a foe. It means a lot to me.


My apologies back at you. Check your U2Us.



posted on Mar, 17 2007 @ 09:30 PM
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Hey Chilidog,
yes all you have to do is post you want to volunteer, it is up to you how much contact info you want to post, but there is no guarantee you or anyone will be excepted, but you will be contacted at the very least. hope that clears things up.



posted on Mar, 17 2007 @ 09:44 PM
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First, Crackuer, you have an amazing talent for putting words in both my mouth and TD's mouth that never came out.

Your continued assertion that I claimed that this story was speculation, was your misinterpretation of my statement to the effect that "this thread was placed in a speculative section of Above Top Secret, because the mods/admins felt it was better suited here." I have always maintained that this story is very real.

It may not mean much to you, but your continued misstatements about my own and TD's posts are causing more confusion and trouble than there needs to be. You are in fact arguing points that you created out of thin air by misinterpreting what we've said.

I don't think my posts have been too unclear, but you misquote me and then argue these misstated points. I don't mean this as a personal offense, but you have to really read what is being said. I don't know that you are understanding what I'm saying. And misstating my points and then arguing those misstatements is confusing readers.

I started this thread to start an interesting exchange on the subject of time travel. Specifically, to get posters to ask questions that I could have answered by someone who has traveled to our past and future.

This thread was not opened to prove time travel either way, which as you yourself pointed out, I attempted to ascertain the possibility of in another thread.

You said,



TD, you friend OTD set that thread up as a means of vetting ideas for your story here. That is how I see it.


What I believe I've shown in the "proof" thread is that proving something like this is just not as easy as everyone would like to believe.

Now, it's definitely easier to prove time travel to a single person, but much more difficult, if possible at all, to prove to a large group of people. Infinitely more so without access to time travel technology.

I invite everyone to read that thread and decide for yourself how easy it would be to prove to a large number of people that you time traveled.

I wasn't trying to set up this thread to "vet" information - this is another misinterpretation (presumption?) of yours.

I was trying to determine through an open discussion on the matter, whether or not it was possible to prove this as a reality to a large group of people.

The conclusion I came to was that it was extremely difficult, if possible at all, and that it actually required a degree of open-mindedness in the audience.

I think I came to that conclusion correctly, but anyone is welcome to read that thread and see if they come to the same conclusion. It seemed like my responses were harsh and a little improbable, but I was dealing with very limited mindsets when thinking out my responses.

Aside from the facility of proving this to one person, the next real question one would have to ask is, Why would a time traveler want or need to prove that he was who he was to one person? It's certainly not because he wanted to satiate that person's curiosity. How trivial would that be?

However, if you're thinking that if that one person were the president of the United States, then you have to ask yourself, would he announce to the planet that he's met a time traveler? Are there any reasons he may not make this announcement? Personally I can think of a string of reasons.

You also said about that other thread,



That is why he was always shooting down the valid suggestions as not viable. He wanted to establish that nothing would really work, this way, when people started asking him for proof on this story, his answers were all taken care of.

It was a clever plan. Others tried to do it after him.


Do you really think that two individuals have masterminded such a sophisticated plan by creating a thread to eliminate challengers just to trick people into believing that JESUS WAS GOING TO APPEAR AT A SLAYER CONCERT?!

Why would we waste so much time in planning this complex ruse, then methodically unfolding this master plan, only to end up with Elvis and Jesus at a Slayer concert? Does that make any sense?

Why would we seemingly be such sophisticated liars that we plan out a bulletproof hoax, and then toss in something as obviously ridiculous as Jesus at a Slayer concert. It's absurd. Obviously someone doing that would make the end result much more believable, and they would have planned to gain something from this ruse.

So far we have not gained any proselytes to our cult, have received no money, and no fame, but quite the contrary, have been pushed into the Skunk Works section and have taken heat from you and others.

What have we to gain here? I'm still missing the point. And if we were trying to gain something it clearly should have been gained by now. Anyone clever enough (thank you for that compliment) to pull off something so sophisticated would recognize the rule of diminishing returns and would have packed up and left.

Believe me, I am not typing this post to you because I am trying to salvage my reputation, or because I particularly enjoy it. And I'm not doing it in the hopes that someone is going to suddenly come to the conclusion that we're special for some reason. Anyone in their right minds perpetrating something like this for personal reasons would have left this whole thing behind by now.

We obviously have some people who are interested, but by no means do we have what you might consider a following of cult members. So why are we here? Why are we bothering?

It's simply because discussion is important. Because even though you are unwilling to budge on the subject, there is still merit to discussion. This is the most important thing we can do at this stratus of our society. It's not happening the higher you go. At least that's the way it seems.

Beyond the value of discussion, we are sharing information that we believe to be pertinent to everyone on this planet. That's all.

There is information coming from here (me and TD) and it's going out there (to ATS, all of you, and other message boards).

Some people take this information and sift out what they feel has merit and leave the rest. This would be the suggested way to go about it.

There is information coming from the two of us free and unadulterated. Yes we are claiming these things to be real - that is for everyone to decide.

We have said that although this thread is not about proof, that for our own reasons, we are working on compiling witnesses and evidence. This is irrespective of our ATS threads.

There is nothing here to argue, because we have said that this is not a "proof" thread. Also, aside from the witnessed events that have occurred over the course of TD's life, many of these events are just unprovable. There is no merit in arguing for or against something that cannot be proven.

So yes, you must take much at face value. We are not holding a gun to anyone's head. You are perfectly free to accept or dismiss any or all of it.

Crackeur, you seem hell bent on squeezing proof out here, but we are in the speculative section, which means we have a sort of dispensation with regard to proof here. If you feel that you and you alone justify proof, I'm afraid you are alone in that presumption.

I can tell you that you will be hard pressed to find proof here aside from what we have generously offered (www.ufotimetravel.com). I can't restate what I've said too many times, because people will get bored with that - but please reread my posts, and if you are unclear on any of them I will clarify them.



posted on Mar, 17 2007 @ 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by OnTheDeck
Crackeur, you seem hell bent on squeezing proof out here, but we are in the speculative section, which means we have a sort of dispensation with regard to proof here. If you feel that you and you alone justify proof, I'm afraid you are alone in that presumption.


I feel the need to clarify that none of this actually happened and you are speculating that it might have happened, which is why you are in skunk works. If you are saying this is 100% true and every event, as detailed, has actually happened, perhaps we should move it to the proper forum.

Of course, you will then be open to deeper inspection by the other members.

The issue I have is one day it is 100% real, the next it is speculation. make up your minds. Did TD travel with Mel Gibson to see Jesus? did he really get abducted outside the IRS office in Montauk?



posted on Mar, 17 2007 @ 09:57 PM
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If anyone is interested in TD's story, or who would like to volunteer either anonymously, or otherwise, or who has related experiences that they would like to share, I would be glad to hear from you.

Please feel free to u2u me "OnTheDeck", or to email me at atsdeck@yahoo.com.

You will not find a critical audience. I have already heard from several individuals through these threads that have not been mentioned here, who have corroborated TD's story to some degree, who have shared their own stories, and who have added valuable pieces to the puzzle.

It's a big puzzle, and we are still looking for pieces.

Thank you to everyone who has contributed, and to those who are reading I know you're out there, because I'm getting messages from you.

Please keep them coming. Our door is wide open to you. This story is everyone's story - no one is excluded.

Everyone is playing a part, and will be playing a part in the near future. So I say, keep your chin up. Stand firm. You have more friends than you could have imagined.

Peace!!

Onthedeck



posted on Mar, 17 2007 @ 10:16 PM
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You said,



I feel the need to clarify that none of this actually happened and you are speculating that it might have happened...


I will clarify - everything that TD (and me on his behalf) have claimed in these threads as happening have indeed happened. All of it is true. This is our sincere belief.

I've bolded my statement so it's easy to find. This is straight from the horse's mouth, and should clarify beyond a reasonable doubt, my own and TD's stance on what we are presenting here.

The difficult part comes when you introduce a human being to an ET abduction experience whereby he actually has his memory toyed with. If you can accept that a human being was abducted by an extraterrestrial, then you have a good departure point for what may have occurred during that abduction experience.

We both believe in the abduction experience, as well as everything that happened before, during, and after this experience, as much as you "believe" you have parents.

Proving all of this is a different story. But like we've both said, the purpose for our putting his story and everything else out there is very simple, to tell people that there are some big things around the corner. PREPARE YOURSELF.

We are not presenting this information to prove to people that TD had time traveled.

I opened this particular thread, however, and the related "proof" thread, to try, separately, to get a feel for the current social conscience with regard to time travel. That is all. It was not to prove time travel either way.

There's another one straight from the horse's mouth. Should be clear.

I wanted to highlight a presumption in your first statement,



I feel the need to clarify that none of this actually happened and you are speculating that it might have happened, which is why you are in skunk works.


At no time did I indicate that what TD and I were claiming was speculation. I don't know why the thread was moved to Skunk Works. A moderator obviously felt it belonged in Skunk Works, but I didn't get an indication as to why.

You seem to presume that it was moved to Skunk Works because of some admission of mine, but that is not the case. It was moved quite to my surprise.

You said,



Of course, you will then be open to deeper inspection by the other members.


Re: the abduction, we can't prove it, outside of friends and family acting as witnesses of his missing time, and neither do we want to prove it. That is not our intention. Anyone can probe as much as they want, but they will find a brick wall. We can only state this so many times.

You said,



The issue I have is one day it is 100% real, the next it is speculation. make up your minds.


Crackeur, TD and I had our minds made up at page one. We are waiting for you to make up our minds, so we can move on. You are arguing, essentially, with yourself. We cannot be clearer.

You asked,



Did TD travel with Mel Gibson to see Jesus?


Yes.

You asked,



did he really get abducted outside the IRS office in Montauk?


Yes.

Now, can we prove either of these things? No. So where are we now?



posted on Mar, 17 2007 @ 10:29 PM
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Originally posted by OnTheDeck


did he really get abducted outside the IRS office in Montauk?


Yes.

Now, can we prove either of these things? No. So where are we now?


how can he have been abducted outside an office that does not exist?
this is nothing more than a blatant lie. there was no montauk IRS office. If the office didn't exist, he could not have been adbucted outside of it. He worked for the IRS (so he claims, not arguing that), let him get something from them showing that they had an office in Montauk,

This was a lie. Not an error because he said he worked for them and was delivering laptops to the the montauk facility when he was abducted. that never could have happened as he never would have been delivering laptops to the irs in montauk.

if that is an error, was it an error in the job he held, the location of the place or was it an error in assuming nobody would know that the IRS does not have an office in Montauk?



posted on Mar, 17 2007 @ 10:45 PM
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TD admitted that the building he traveled to, which was an IRS facility, at which he had an experience of missing time, was a location referred to as "Montauk" by his coworkers and supervisor.

This is how the word Montauk became associated with this experience. Because TD had only been to this location once or twice, he was obviously not familiar with the area, and had assumed that what was referred to as the Montauk location was located in Montauk.

This is precisely the situation, and it is not a lie. It was a misunderstanding and nothing more.

The important point of that experience was not the physical location as much as what occurred there, and that there was another witness to this event.

It is just one in a lifetime of bizarre experiences. It was a simple misunderstanding.

So please, put this one to rest. There is no proof forthcoming, evincing this location was "in Montauk", because in all likelihood the physical location was not inside the city/province of Montauk. So there is no use asking for proof of this.

This is a triviality that you saw as the card that would bring this house of cards tumbling down and it turns out it was a simple misunderstanding. It happens to the best of us.

If you wish to debate this point in perpetuity until this universe and all other universes come to an end you do it with my blessing. I just don't know if everyone else reading is going to have as much fun with it anymore...



[edit on 17-3-2007 by OnTheDeck]



posted on Mar, 17 2007 @ 10:48 PM
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Originally posted by OnTheDeck
TD admitted that the building he traveled to, which was an IRS facility, at which he had an experience of missing time, was a location referred to as "Montauk" by his coworkers and supervisor.


why would they call an office in a town other than montauk, "the montauk facility"? That is utter nonsense.

do they call Holtsville the Atlanta Facility? do they call Riverhead "Ogden?"

he blew it on this one. there's no way around it. he even said that it was in montauk and he took exit 52 to get there. why didn't he say it was referred to montauk but all I remember was we took exit 52?

he screwed up and his arrogance dug his hole further



posted on Mar, 17 2007 @ 11:06 PM
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If you want to fabricate your own reality you do it with my blessing.

I'm turning in.

I look forward to the long weeks and months ahead where we get to continue the back and forth on the Montauk statement, and eventually passing the legacy onto our children.

The next generation of Crackeurs can continue the tradition of setting up paper tigers and stabbing at them with swords, distracting the weaker of intellects while the rest continue into a new and brighter future.

I don't mean to demean this particular argument, because it has done so with vigor on its own, but I think at this point we can leave the verdict up to the reader and move on to greener pastures.

Our position is that this was a misunderstanding. Yours is that it was a complete lie. You've stated your case, and we ours.

Let's leave it up to the readers to use their keen intellects and decide to read on, or to abandon this subject and thread.

We don't lose face because we're already in the speculative section, and we never felt that important in the first place.

Attacking someone in the speculative thread for making unbelievable statements is like busting into an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting and berating someone for being an alcoholic. You really don't get any sympathy from the guy above for that sort of behavior.

I hope we can agree to disagree and move on to more important matters. If that's not good enough for you, prepare to be not responded to. No personal offense, but we're wasting the two other reader's valuable time.

Peace!


[edit on 17-3-2007 by OnTheDeck]



posted on Mar, 17 2007 @ 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by OnTheDeck
Attacking someone in the speculative thread for making unbelievable statements


so now it's speculation and not fact?

make up your minds

if it is fact, I found a flaw in the story that you cannot explain away. that makes your story suspect. I apologize if my finding errors bothers you but, look at it this way, when you write the second book, you can make sure you don't screw up that fact again.

thank me instead of hate me



posted on Mar, 18 2007 @ 07:11 AM
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Stop playing games with yourself at the readers' expense.

We stated our case; you stated yours. We will have to agree to disagree.

Does this circumstance of an immovable object meeting an irreversible force make sense to you? Have you heard this analogy before?

It refers to a situation where two parties cannot agree on an issue and recognize the futility and waste of engaging further on their current course.

It is very clear to me, and probably to our two readers that this is the case. And many are probably ready to blow their own brains out every time they see the word IRS and Montauk in your fruitless posts.

You should know that every time you post another trivial post, it will be met with a similarly "constructive" response on my part that will reveal your post for what it is for all to see, and will further bruise your ego.

You can continue in like fashion for as long as you want.

Let me tell you something, Crackeur. I have limitless resources to engage in these circular arguments forever. I really do. And I can go on about this honest misunderstanding for decades. I kid you not. I am here for the long haul.

I have chosen my purpose here, and I do it with much more vigor than you have, wishing to go on repeating your point about this misunderstanding.

I predict that your desire to restate your argument, which has already been responded to, undermined, and beat into the ground, will not match my desire to fulfill my purpose here, which is to get information out, free and unadulterated; and to provide constructive, meaningful posts.

Despite personal offense I may suffer in any of these threads, notice how I still manage to add civil, constructive posts to these threads. Is that so difficult?

If you wish to continue for years talking about this, I will happily fatten this thread humoring you, but will at the same time, continue doing what it was I came here to do in the first place.

Crackuer, you said,



so now it's speculation and not fact?

make up your minds


Stop insulting my intelligence, TD's intelligence, and the readers' intelligence and patience by continuing these worthless, inane posts.

You know both TD and I assert this as fact.

To make a post such as the one above shows you are playing games, and have lowered your side of the conversation to pointless mockery instead of a civil exchange.

I have already told you, TD and myself have made up our minds. If you wish to make them up again for us so we can move on please do so. We're ready to have our minds made up for us, Crackuer.

You sound a lot like a government body I know of, "Our citizens are free to think as they wish, as long as it's in line with our philosophy."

Are you capable of a civil exchange?

I think your motives were clear much earlier when you had previously suggested that this thread, and others like it be removed altogether.

Let me make something crystal clear to you again at the risk of straining readers' patience.

This thread is now under the ATS First Amendment protection by being located in the Skunk Works section of the site.

This means that we can type whatever we want here within the Terms and Conditions of ATS and do so with impunity, and regardless of the fact that the great Crackeur disagrees with our mere presence.

We have told you that proof will not be forthcoming, and despite that fact, you continue asking for it. Why?

Also, we have been asserting the same thing, the factual reality of this story, all along - despite what you misstate me as saying, Crackuer.

If you can find a post where I stated all of this is just speculation, then please post it here or stop misquoting me. Fair enough?

There is a worthless round robin on this point, and it's clear we are at an impasse.

You seem more motivated by self-interest than that of pursuing reason at this point, especially when your posts do not seem to reflect reason in any form.

Also, how you can fruitfully argue against an ET abduction is beyond me. You cannot prove that it didn't happen, including the Mel Gibson incident, and we cannot prove that it did (save for contacting Mel and getting his take on it).

So to argue that these things didn't happen is impossible, because you can't prove a negative, but instead can only restate that you don't believe these things.

You can go on "stating your refusal to believe" ad infinitum, but trust me, readers got it after your first go at it. After your hundredth reiteration I suspect people will grow tired of your posts (I'm tired after the tenth).

I would suggest, Don Quixote, that you play with the paper tigers on your own time, and to stop derailing this thread for your own clearly selfish motives, and at the expense of the readers' patience and time.

Everyone reading this can see that you are now just being destructive instead of constructive, are being mocking, insulting, and are forcing your own agenda into this thread.

This is not Crackeur's thread, it's the peoples' thread.

None but yourself has seen fit to come into this thread and disrupt it to the extent that you have.

Your motivations for doing so have proven to be directed by self-interest, and come at the risk of shedding yourself in a bad light, and at the expense of readers' patience.

I think you have made your intentions clear by now, and they have nothing to do with engaging in a civil discussion.

I am asking you, mostly on the readers' behalf, to move on, Don Quixote. However, if you wish to continue to run at windmills that is your prerogative. I will continue having the pleasure of watching at your expense.

By I will ask, respectfully, for you to stop misquoting me without directly quoting and citing my statements in your post. To continue doing so is to further reveal your motivations, which have nothing to do with reason, and more to do with exacting Crackuer's brand of justice.

I would also kindly ask on behalf of our two readers that you to stop wasting their time and straining their patience by repeating a position I've already responded to.

Montauk R.I.P.



posted on Mar, 18 2007 @ 07:57 AM
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Montauk is alive and well and the lie about the IRS facility will never go away because it was a lie that was exposed and then TD tried to clarify the reality of the Montauk facility with driving directions which were wrong as well. Now you're saying the IRS calls some other facility the Montauk Facility and that is downright silly.

When you tell a tall tale and a lie is exposed, the rest of the story becomes suspect.

Does this mean that the rest of story could be true? Sure. TD could have lied about the abduction at montauk but he still could have time tripped with Paris Hillton. But without any proof of anything, the one lie makes the whole story seem less stable.

Incidentally, if the IRS calls some other facility the Montauk Facility, can you please tell me which office it was? I already linked you to the various locations in New York. Can you pick one and claim that they call that one the Montauk Facility? Can you also explain why they would call an office in any other town something other than that town's name?

Perhaps, this time, before you make up another story, you should consult a map of Long Island and see which offices are near the exit TD said he took to the to the "montuak" facility.



posted on Mar, 18 2007 @ 08:23 AM
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Goodmorning. Well, we went a whole five minutes without talking about Montauk.

I'm not even going to quote your post, or refer to your statements.

The IRS office in which TD worked referred to the location of TD's missing time experience as the "Montauk" office.

If this is too far fetched for you to believe, then you will spend many a sleepless night. And for that I am deeply sorry.

Your request for further information or proof will not be granted on the basis that your requests are frivolous; especially after our correction

I've made the requisite retraction and clarified the situation; and we are not providing proof that TD worked in an office of the IRS wherein such a statement was made, because it is - IN OUR MINDS - trivial, and doesn't significantly add to the conversation.

If you want to prove that Renato worked at an IRS building in New York, go ahead and research this yourself. It is not important enough for he or I to waste our time pursuing.

In a laundry list of events that have occurred over TD's lifetime, this incident is akin to the socks versus the suit that needs to be dry cleaned and pressed, if you catch my analogy.

This was an honest misunderstanding and nothing more.

However, not to completely scrape your inane posts from my shoe without some form of acknowledgment, we will, with your excessive generosity with regard to this incident, certainly make it clear where this building was physically located in the second book.

Also, because we have a sense of humor, we may even cite you as the source of the need for clarification. I hope that makes you all happy and fuzzy inside.

Now please, go on with your bad self; since our card house is still standing after this fateful blow, you will need to tug at another card.

P.S. I love how you misrepresent the facts, my statements, and reality in your posts.

You said,



and then TD tried to clarify the reality of the Montauk facility with driving directions which were wrong as well.


TD threw out an exit. It was a guess and it was incorrect. This was done off the cuff in response to a single post earlier in this thread. This does not equate to driving directions.

Apparently, I must now draw attention to your lapses, misquotes and exaggerations as a matter of clarification, before you get ahead of yourself.

You said,



Now you're saying the IRS calls some other facility the Montauk Facility and that is downright silly.


Opinion. It's like a part of the human anatomy.

You asserted,



When you tell a tall tale and a lie is exposed, the rest of the story becomes suspect.


I agree to that statement. On a side note, when you include axioms in your posts they don't, in and of themselves, add any weight to your argument, but only have the perception of doing so.

I understand that the above is your position. However, you're completely disregarding my retraction, and still acting as though we are maintaining that this facility was in Montauk.

We clarified this and said it was "referred to as Montauk". Your request for proof that this facility was located in Montauk is not taking this retraction into account. To whom are you now making this request then?

I'm glad you granted the following,



Does this mean that the rest of story could be true? Sure.


It could be, and it is.

You said,



But without any proof of anything, the one lie makes the whole story seem less stable.


That is a reasonable assumption. So again, where are we?

Any proof that TD or myself cough up is incidental to this thread. We are, in essence, saying "We have no proof". So where are we?

That is not the point. The only thing we are doing here is sharing information.

Proof seekers please go to a real thread and seek your proof there. This is the circus tent, and we only have spectacle here.

All we are saying is please enjoy the show. You will not get a peek at the man behind the curtain. That is, unless you wish to do so. If that is the case, TD's website is peppered throughout this thread. You are welcome to peek at your leisure.

Lastly,



Incidentally, if the IRS calls some other facility the Montauk Facility, can you please tell me which office it was? I already linked you to the various locations in New York. Can you pick one and claim that they call that one the Montauk Facility? Can you also explain why they would call an office in any other town something other than that town's name?


No.

This is not the Crackeur show. If you want your own show, take your advice to win 52 and open a separate thread called, "The Crackuer Show". It should draw legions of fans, waiting in line to hear about and IRS facility in Montauk (*bang* uh-oh, another reader down).

This is not a vending machine you just drop a quarter in and out pops the proof.

Requests made to TD and myself must be respectful, sincere, and not come in the form of a demand.

If we wish to provide it to you you will have it. We are not here to create a scientific study of time travel, or to provide a documentary on TD's life. We are only sharing a message.

Efforts from our side to provide proof of TD's story come only when we feel it is justified, or the request is sincere.

He and I have engaged you on this issue for so long that it's become ridiculous.

Hopefully, with our corrective action, and some counseling, we can, together, move onto something else.




[edit on 18-3-2007 by OnTheDeck]



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