Two observations I would like to point out:

1) the photos he used as visual aids in his presentation never made it to the net. Or if they did, they have since been erased.

2) The coordinates he promised to give for the bases and the book he was working on never saw the light of day so far as I know.

Can anybody confirm or deny these observations?

Originally posted by Maya432
oh boy...this is a wild one huh?
I dunno what to believe here but .

its not been DEBUNKED or proven FALSE... not even close........

whistle blowers.......
what do we make of them?

Phil Schnieder
John Lear
Dr. Deagle
Bob Lazar
Nick Pope
William Cooper
George Green
Col. Corso

All these very educated and very professional people all trying
to tell us of a FU&^ED world where Aliens and the world governments
are our captures......our villains..and we are the controlled sheep/prey..

man.......I gotta head ache...........

I'd like to add Dan Burisch and "Victor" to that list.

I have not looked into the Schnieder case so I would not claim to know anything for myself on this one. However when you guys mentioned a Rhyolite Clearance and Phil claimed that he was a geologist...i find it interesting that Rhyolite is a type of rock.

Hi guys,

I want to participate in this discussion because I am also not sure about the "story" of P. Schneider.....welll to be honest...I am sure he made it up...or lived in a kind of illusion.

** excuse my english......can speak 4 languages but my english i little rusty **

Why?

1) Story

Real witnesses stick to their story and do not "add information". So, if someone said 7 years ago "I had an accident with my car. It was terrible.....the rain....lost control of my car and rushed down the hill" and he is now saying "Oooh...I knew that day something would happen....my mother was kind of a medium and I also have this capabilities. It was raining and my car went off the road....It wasnt my fault....it was the tires...cheap asia rubber...my car did tumble 8 times".

In psychology this addition of comments, information and slight changes is proof for an active modification of the experience to make it "look/sound" better but it has nothing to do with fact.

During my army years (not US) I was trained in interrogation and our teacher taught us to see & divide...the fact portion from the fiction (made up) portion.

People do this even unknowingly. There was this Hungarian guy who claimed he worked in the WW2 german Ufo factory in Hungary....almost 50 years he told the story...but from decade to decade the story changed suddenly he made links between Nazis and aliens and freemasons - which were not part of his first interview. In the last 3 months of his life.....he was ill and weak.....some researcher visited him and asked him about "gaps" and " differences" in his story. He said weak that he didnt remember other facts so he want to help and studied UFO literature to fill the gaps....to make the story whole and complete.

2) Reliability

Bo Lazar is my famous example - he told stories about new antigrav engines and Flying saucers. He claimed that he was involved in the develpoment & research of this devices?!

First of all.....there is no proof that he studied at MIT and also he cant proof his degree. He did never worked on alien engines because if so....he could give more and detaileds about the technology. After his so-called work at area51 he did never worked as scientist or did research. So, it seems that he was nothing more than a simple technician (the IRS paper proofs the same because he got 950$ per month - to low for a MIT graduate even for army/air force personel). He owned a shop for scientific parts/gears/chemicals....and for this you dont have to be a MIT graduate.

The same with several people which claimed they build Nazi ufo saucers for nazi germany - not one of them was able to recreate the blueprints or rebuilt the technology or was able to explain the physics behind it.

Phil Schneider also told many stories but was nit able to give more details like:

- How many people worked on digging, security
- who was his supervisior, collegaeus and so on
- Did he showed blueprints (re-drawn)?
- and almost 10000 other questions

3) False & inproper Information

He said Delta Force from other countries? Anyone who worked with military for a while can clearly divide between army, air force and Navy. Foreign military personel is clearly to be identified with markings/Patches/flag emblems. He couldnt do that!

He said FBI was included in the shooting?! Why that? What does FBI do in a underground base and especially in the digging area? If the military has secrets - they will keep this secret (if possible) from federal goverment because secrecy cant be kept if the circle if big and includes federal deperatment. I would belive if he would say that NSA Security personel was there but FBI? No Sir, the job of FBI is clearly stated in the USA. In germany the BKA (similar to FBI) would be contacted if the military is working in civilian areas or a civilian was killed but...first they would talk this through with the german security council. In Uk and France the same...keep the circle small!!!!

see next post>

4) Related facts & fiction

Phil Schneider is talking about New World Order....what does this have to do with deep underground bases? If I am an engineer working for the military than I can talked only about things I saw - like this:

a) They built underground bases with several areas for research, Sigint and storage areas

b) The base was A-bomb proof. We used steel concrete of this XXX thickness.

c) I saw People from Navy, army, air force, Black beret.....20men.....every week new military personal etc

He relates othe famous UFO topics to make his story more interesting but this has nothing to do with fact or personal experience. Every psychologist would agree that this things are commonly used by people who made up parts (or the whole) of their story.

For Example Dr. Deagle (the biggest moron on earth) -> in his videos he starts with Roswell links it to DUMBS links it further to virus vaccines to Freemasons and further to FEMA......crap par excellence! He is fake....he knows nothing.

5) Cobald poisining

The claims of kobalt poisoning by an alien weapons is "critical"....he could got cobalt poisoning (or uranium) by work under ground. The father of a friend worked in a mine and had uranium poisoning.

6) F-19 and other military crafts

Well, he is talking about things.......he dont know as geologist (same as we all here) but if he says it.....it becames more true? Maybe he did read this stuff later and he did try to modified his story..........well it dont make his claims more true.

7) His fater and career

Well, its very convenient that his father was an M.D and then worked on the Philadelphia Experiment..........this is the greatest Hoax ever.......oooh his daddy worked also on secret projects...wow....it became more true-ish! Later his daddy worked on the development of the nuclear submarine.....as M.D?

He did try to give his background more credential by adding "trueish fiction facts" to appear as "the men who knew it all".

8) Weapon in Secret projects

I dont believe that a geologist is allowed to carry a weapon in a military facility without a military rang.

The 22 killed fictional Delta Force are also "critical"...because Delta Force is anti-terror company......it makes no sense to use higly trained personal in a underground base....Its like to use S.E.A.L personel in the congress library.

Why do I dont believe?

If we believe "lies" and believe "Facts-without-any-proof" - we can not get the truth out.....we cant explain the reason for DUMBS and we cant taken serious.

Not every claim in the UFO-Alien-Conspiracy area is true....can be linked to other topics.....and cant be taken without challenge it.

Just my 2 cents. Ghost1 did the right thing....to many things doesnt add up with P.Schneider. Sorry.

cheers

Alan

while i agree that you are not to believe everything you see, hear, or read, i DO believe that all things must be taken into consideration....i think that since there were underlying circumstances to his death, there was reason to believe that what he was speaking of was important....i am currently researching this dulce base and have already been visited by "big brother" its a shame that "unfortunate accidents" happen all the time...or so i have been told....with that in mind if the base were not real then why is it that so many try so hard to make sure its kept quiet? i will tell you that the "people" that visited me were less like any humans i have ever seen....strange the way that they looked...their skin a different color than any "normal" color almost indescribable...almst a grey/pastel green color...noses were almost not there...just enough to hold up dark sunglasses therefor did not see their eyes. they showed no badge and when i asked for identification all they said was that the government plate on their black....sedan was the only proof i needed as he promptly pointed to the car. he never asked to come in...there were 2 of them one standing next to the car looking around almost as if he was waiting for something or playing lookout....i was honestly terrified....i can not repeat everything that was said only that i was told to stop researching this subject because it would be a shame if.....well now i have to stop

in any sense i do NOT intend to stop my search but rather be more careful in what i decide to search about if i look outside the box and make sure that i stay away from certain topics that i should be fine.....i wont post many findings on this site since i do not feel safe in doing so however, there are other means of communication....

but again i pose the question that comes to my mind.....WHY ARE SO MANY TRYING TO HIDE IT IF IT DOES NOT EXIST? HAS ANYONE EVER THOUGHT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE CLAIMS SEEM SO CRAZY THAT NO ONE COULD MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT UP? THERE ARE SPECIFIC DETAILS THAT BOTH SCHNEIDER AND CASTELLO GAVE THAT LEAD ME TO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS SOMETHING GOING ON HERE

one last note...on another thread someone posted about the fact that they havent seen any ufo activity on or around the reservation adn dont believe that there is a base there...however they DO believe in bigfoot and have had several encounters with it....
HAS ANYONE THOUGHT THAT THIS COULD BE A GENETIC EXPERIMENT BY THE DULCE BASE?
I WATCHED MONSTER QUEST AND THEY FOUND AN UNKNOWN DNA THAT WAS ONLY 1 CHROMOSOME OFF FROM OURS!!!!! WHAT DOES THAT SAY??

DISTANT RELETIVES OF SOME SORT?? OR MAYBE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN RELEASED AFTER A MEMORY WIPE AND GENETIC ENGINEERING???

ITS WORTH A LOOK I THINK....oops forgot caps was on im not deleting and rewriting all that so.....sorry guys

Ok Philip Schneider had alot of illnesses such as Osteoporosis(which increased risk of fracture) second Cancer , thrid are a number of injuries which he clam he got form a attack of an extra terrestrial. it is possble that Cancer could have being the cause of his death. but dying from cancer is long progress some people clam that his death was a suiciude which on one has poof but just cause his it could have be murder does not give poof that his story is true also did his so-called "friend" Al Pratt visited his apartment, in Willsonville, Oregon For several days in a row until Finally, on January 17th, 1996 Al Pratt, along with the manager of the Autumn Park Apartments and a detective from the Clackamas County Sheriff's office entered the apartment. Inside, they found the body of Philip Schneider. have think about that.

I can tell from his demeanor during his presentations that he was a bull#ter let alone his misinformation. I might be jaded but could see his bull# act from the gate.

Seasons Greetings fellow human being. I must say, many strange surroundings our man Pil but, with hands down only the tip of the iceberg! I myself still cannot deny the war on aliens. The best of the best have fallen and are falling and will forever remain the unknown - unknown.

Originally posted by anonymousAlienResearcher
while i agree that you are not to believe everything you see, hear, or read, i DO believe that all things must be taken into consideration....i think that since there were underlying circumstances to his death, there was reason to believe that what he was speaking of was important....i am currently researching this dulce base and have already been visited by "big brother" its a shame that "unfortunate accidents" happen all the time...or so i have been told....with that in mind if the base were not real then why is it that so many try so hard to make sure its kept quiet? i will tell you that the "people" that visited me were less like any humans i have ever seen....strange the way that they looked...their skin a different color than any "normal" color almost indescribable...almst a grey/pastel green color...noses were almost not there...just enough to hold up dark sunglasses therefor did not see their eyes. they showed no badge and when i asked for identification all they said was that the government plate on their black....sedan was the only proof i needed as he promptly pointed to the car. he never asked to come in...there were 2 of them one standing next to the car looking around almost as if he was waiting for something or playing lookout....i was honestly terrified....i can not repeat everything that was said only that i was told to stop researching this subject because it would be a shame if.....well now i have to stop

in any sense i do NOT intend to stop my search but rather be more careful in what i decide to search about if i look outside the box and make sure that i stay away from certain topics that i should be fine.....i wont post many findings on this site since i do not feel safe in doing so however, there are other means of communication....

but again i pose the question that comes to my mind.....WHY ARE SO MANY TRYING TO HIDE IT IF IT DOES NOT EXIST? HAS ANYONE EVER THOUGHT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE CLAIMS SEEM SO CRAZY THAT NO ONE COULD MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT UP? THERE ARE SPECIFIC DETAILS THAT BOTH SCHNEIDER AND CASTELLO GAVE THAT LEAD ME TO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS SOMETHING GOING ON HERE

one last note...on another thread someone posted about the fact that they havent seen any ufo activity on or around the reservation adn dont believe that there is a base there...however they DO believe in bigfoot and have had several encounters with it....
HAS ANYONE THOUGHT THAT THIS COULD BE A GENETIC EXPERIMENT BY THE DULCE BASE?
I WATCHED MONSTER QUEST AND THEY FOUND AN UNKNOWN DNA THAT WAS ONLY 1 CHROMOSOME OFF FROM OURS!!!!! WHAT DOES THAT SAY??

DISTANT RELETIVES OF SOME SORT?? OR MAYBE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN RELEASED AFTER A MEMORY WIPE AND GENETIC ENGINEERING???

ITS WORTH A LOOK I THINK....oops forgot caps was on im not deleting and rewriting all that so.....sorry guys

Your post epitomizes the typical Dulce base "discussion"; speculation, innuendo, and repetition of past claims, as if repeated enough it will be forgotten that the original tales were offered with no verifiable proof. I suppose it's human nature to need to spice up our drab lives, ala Walter Mitty, by latching on to conspiracies regardless of any tangable proof. And now with the internet, anyone on the planet can "join" in the battle against the evil aliens by googling up sinister pics from the Dulce area which turn out to be BIA health clinics, New Mexico Highway Department motor pools, old gravel pits, and fully functioning coal-fired power plants.





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Does anyone know where he went to college and what degrees he aquired and when? I think some research on any jobs he worked on (job history before secret clearence work) his age could factor in on this as well.

Originally posted by AParanormalLook
I have not looked into the Schnieder case so I would not claim to know anything for myself on this one. However when you guys mentioned a Rhyolite Clearance and Phil claimed that he was a geologist...i find it interesting that Rhyolite is a type of rock.

There is no such thing as a "rhyolite clearance" It's a totally bogus term. If you find a reference to a rhyolite clearence, it is in regard to Schnieder's stories.



[edit on 22-12-2009 by RKWWWW]

plaese note that just because he lie does not mean the base does not exist.