Originally posted by johnlear
I have read many inaccurate and false claims Ghost1 has made such as ‘there are no underground levels at Groom Lake’. Fortunately Ghost1
qualifies that inaccurate statement by saying, “From our research,” which he fails to complete by saying “made solely on the internet.”
John,
For the record, my research on Groom Lake isn't limited to the internet by any means! I spent hours going through books in libraries, I Read
Dreamland several times. I special orderd four or five different videos on the base, examined geological and topographical maps of the lake bed
(which B.T.W. has a concrete, like consistency to it).
About the only thing I haven't done is physically gone out to Groom Lake.
John, do us all a favor! Go to the ATS Research Forum, Pull up the Groom Lake Research Project, and review the sources listed there for yourself.
You will clearly see they include: Books, Maps, FOIA Requests, Videos, Declassified Air Force records and much more!
When I first started at ATS, I when by "ghost". that account had a problem so I created a new one as Ghost01. You can see my research on Groom Lake,
Along with
ALL of the documentation. Feel free to U2U some of the other ATS members who worked with me on that effort and ask them about their
sources. Tell you what, I'll give you the link to our data, just click and read:
Groom Lake Research Project
I have U2d him on several occasions and never received a reply such as on his claim there was no Lockheed F-19. Ghost1 wouldn’t have the
slightest idea whether or not there was an F-19, his research being limited to the internet. I have 3 human being witnesses to the F-19.
Strange, I don't remember those U2U's!
That said, I will address to "F-19" story right here! I said they don't have a plane called the F-19. However, I never said there was no mystery
aircraft by Lockheed out there. As with my research on Groom Lake, I know better then to go make claims without checking into it first. For the
record, I
Have even fallowed up on the tips you have given me.
The Plane Mr. Lear is referring to as the "F-19" is in fact a Lockheed Spyplane that is based on Kelly Johnson's Blackbird! It's not called
the F-19, but it's correct designation is currently unconfirmed. SR-75 is the most likely Canadate!
That said, Phil Schneider was indeed a fake. Phil used my information and others for his claims. I have mentioned on several occasions that I
felt Phil was real but now, based on information I have received (which was not over the phone or over the internet) I am sure he was a
fake.
Ok! Let's see if I'm reading this correctly. Your last line seems to say,
YOU believe Phil Schnider was in fact a Fake. You lost me here
John, If you think Phil Schider was lying and speading disinformation, why are you attacking me for arguing that exact point?
If I'm misunderstanding you, please correct me. I have no intent to misquote you in any way!
The number given to me by Mr.X who gave me my first briefing on Dulce in 1987 was “44” government scientists killed by an alien. I believe that
number shows up in some of my writings until late 1988 or early 1989 when Bob Lazar read in a briefing at S-4 about an “altercation’ in a facility
in which “66 scientists and Delta Force personnel were killed.” The briefing Bob read did not say “Dulce”. It is possible that Bob’s level
of clearance had not reached that high. He says that many of the briefings, of which there were about 100, where stapled at various points,
preventing him from reading further. And as his level of clearance progressed, the staples would still be there but allow several more pages to be
read.
But the description of the similar circumstances of the ‘altercation” convince me that he was reading about Dulce.
For the record, the status of the Bob Lazar claims while still questionable in some details, shound Not be dismissed. I Have in the past done E-Mail
corraspondence with George Knapp, an Investigative journalist from KLAS TV in Las Vegas NV. Mr. Knapp confirms that Mr. Lazar has passed a polygragh
exam on general detals about the base (things such as where the cafateria is, color of rooms, check in perceedures, ect.)
I believe that there were, in fact, 44 scientists killed and that would mean that 22 Delta Force were killed making the total number 66.
The other point I would like to make is that Ghost1 said “Underground shelters yes, but I don't know of any that are whole cities for 20'000+
people”. Ghost1 doesn’t know very much about underground cities and he certainly won’t find them on the internet.
As you corretly quoted me, I said I didn't Know of any! Saying I don't know about something is Very different from saying it doesn't exist. Sorry
if I came across as claiming to be a "Know-it-All", that wasn't my intent. I've honestly never heard of an entire city under ground. I know about
places like the Greenbriar Hotel, where the government's top official could retreat to during war times.
My statement was intent as an acknowlagement of my lack of knowedge on the subject, not as an attack on your credability!
And to Ghost1, please accept my sincerest apologies if I have offended you in anyway. Just because you read something on the internet and it is sworn
to by the Joint Chiefs of Staff doesn’t mean its true.
Appology accepted! I occasionally have difficulty expressing what I intent to say clearly. I know hetter then to take everything the government says
at face value. If I wasn't skeptical of the Defense Department, and the military, do you think I would be here on Above Top Secret?
John Lear, Please accept my sincerest apologies if I have offended you in any way! I never intended to come across as being arrogant or snobbish! I
may hold different oppinions then you do on some things, but I try not to disrespect others. Hopefully we can all learn something from this debate
between Mr. Lear and myself.
Perhaps "Debunked" was a harsh way of expessing the fact that I don't find Phil Schnider to be crediable! I wasn't out to attck the man on a
personal level. However, as I have said, I just find too many things about Mr. Schnider's story that I do not think are true.
Tim