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Originally posted by HaveSeen4Myself
I love the way that skeptics portray UFO believers as so gullible that we do not possess the intelligence to question any and all claims made. I also love how skeptics portray themselves as superior in the critical thinking department. Gee, one could gather that if not for skeptics, the world would regress back into the dark ages.
Let's reflect a little....shall we?
Virtually every culture since the earliest known HISTORY OF MANKIND has recorded accounts of alien visitation. Our ancestors obviously had a profound respect and appreciation for these visitors, and went to great lengths to deliver this message to future generations. They depicted UFOs in their artwork, etched drawings on the ground and into granite walls, and even included their accounts in biblical texts. They laboriously constructed beacons of information; some of the most massive structures on the planet, specifically meant to focus our attention to the heavens. Many of these sites are characterized by advanced techniques of engineering and astronomy which are still mind-boggling by modern standards. By contrast, where is all the evidence of skeptical ancestry (i.e. ancient messages claiming UFOs are B.S.)? To discount the CONSENSUS of virtually all previous intelligent civilizations is the epitome of blissful ignorance, and hardly an example of refined critical thinking.
[edit on 1/23/2007 by HaveSeen4Myself]
[edit on 1/23/2007 by HaveSeen4Myself]
skep·tic –noun
1. a person who questions the validity or authenticity of something purporting to be factual.
Originally posted by HaveSeen4Myself
I love the way that skeptics portray UFO believers as so gullible that we do not possess the intelligence to question any and all claims made. I also love how skeptics portray themselves as superior in the critical thinking department. Gee, one could gather that if not for skeptics, the world would regress back into the dark ages.
Let's reflect a little....shall we?
Virtually every culture since the earliest known HISTORY OF MANKIND has recorded accounts of alien visitation. Our ancestors obviously had a profound respect and appreciation for these visitors, and went to great lengths to deliver this message to future generations. They depicted UFOs in their artwork, etched drawings on the ground and into granite walls, and even included their accounts in biblical texts. They laboriously constructed beacons of information; some of the most massive structures on the planet, specifically meant to focus our attention to the heavens. Many of these sites are characterized by advanced techniques of engineering and astronomy which are still mind-boggling by modern standards. By contrast, where is all the evidence of skeptical ancestry (i.e. ancient messages claiming UFOs are B.S.)? To discount the CONSENSUS of virtually all previous intelligent civilizations is the epitome of blissful ignorance, and hardly an example of refined critical thinking.
. It's the reason why, since I have been on this forum, I have advocated the creation of a new group that disregards and openly criticizes the fallacies of the fringes and works to collect objective evidence and credible testimony.
Originally posted by sigung86
I vote that we take all the skeptics out back and shoot 'em like the mad dogs they obviously are ...
Um ... er ... ahhh ... Wait a sec'! I'm a skeptic, and a fair one at that. See my signature.
The unfortunate thing here is that ,from hard core debunker to hard core believer, and all the shades in the middle, we are tied to the human condition. It's obvious that there are varying or individual needs for different levels of proof.
If your level of required proof is lower, or higher than mine, then so be it. If it is so all-fired important that you get me around to your way of thinking then it is your problem. You need to come up with the evidence that will sway me to your way of thinking.
On the other hand, if you truly believe that flying saucers (UFOs) are full of little green twinkies from the planet Munimula, and you are happy with that particular belief system, then what does it matter what I think? Adding my belief scalp to your belt will not change the reality of the UFO or the unreality of the UFO, one bit.
I think you will find, in the end, that the little green twinkies from the planet Munimula, will exist or not, whether I am skeptical or not. Nect Pas????
You have voted sigung86 for the Way Above Top Secret award.
Originally posted by karl 12
But so far, the UFO community has offered only fakes and blurry photos (and blurry bird photos at that)
Originally posted by HaveSeen4Myself
I love the way that skeptics portray UFO believers as so gullible that we do not possess the intelligence to question any and all claims made. I also love how skeptics portray themselves as superior in the critical thinking department. Gee, one could gather that if not for skeptics, the world would regress back into the dark ages.
Originally posted by yeahright
Okay, correct me if I misunderstand. As I read the OP, what (s)he seems to be saying is that the question should not be whether or not UFOs exist, the question should be "what are they"?
I don't think the OP is suggesting skepticism should not exist at the individual theory level. Since there's no true consensus as to what the UFO phenomena really constitute, you'd be in a position of believing everything if you weren't skeptical, wouldn't you? Impractical, to say the least.
Especially in reference to Dr. Kaku's statements - a bit absurd to question the existence of UFOs. Skepticism about their existence makes no sense. Skepticism about the myriad of theories of their origins makes perfect sense, to me.
So there's skepticism and there's skepticism.
Maybe.
Originally posted by HaveSeen4Myself
Togetic your words are very wise and well received. If all self proclaimed skeptics thought along the same lines as yourself, I think the division that exists in the UFO community would not be nearly as defined.
I have a serious problem with the 'UFOs don't exist' skeptics, however. These are often the ones who are the most vocal and quick to ridicule. UFO believers are an integral part of those who consider themselves fair skeptics, myself included.
I had an experience when I was 12 years old that included interaction with an EBE. Up until that encounter, I wasn't even concerned with the subject of alien life. For this reason, I cannot expect everyone to accept the idea freely.
Again, Togetic, I am very impressed with your skeptical open-mindedness. In no way would I ever try to belittle someone with an outlook on the idea of UFO/aliens such as yourself. I wanted to make sure we were on the same page and also further clarify my position.
Originally posted by polomontana
This is dangerous because our actions are starting to affect other beings throughout the multiverse. We have to advance mentally as our technology advances because it makes no sense to continue to deny our connection to them. It's the ego that thinks in terms of it's just me.
This will allow the governments of the world to control the situation when the Day of Visitation occurs. Some will be taken and this will cause a widespread panic. Governments will unite in the name of protecting humanity and people will get chipped in order not to be taken. People will work for nothing in order to build things like Star Wars in order to protect themselves. The skeptic will have helped to facilitate this because they have not allowed a serious discussion on these things. People could be better prepared because the evidence clearly points to their existence, the only debate is are they extraterrestrial, interdimensional or something else.