Originally posted by centurion1211
But there is this article ...
iran believes it could take out Israel with one nuke
I will quote your source:
JERUSALEM — Iran's nuclear program seeks first-strike capability against Israel, a leading strategist said.
The Israeli strategist and former intelligence officer said Iran believes it could destroy the Jewish state with one nuclear weapon.
An Israeli former intelligence officer says that Iran believes. Am I supposed to naively believe the words of this guy?:
I refuse to believe a loose statement like this, nor is there any evidence that Iran already is in possession on nuclear weapons.
Originally posted by centurion1211
Because of MAD (see below) and the fact that they are run by pragmatists, not madmen or religious zealots.
As long as the zealot or madman does not harm anyone else, and bear in mind, Iran has not been an aggressive power for decades, no one has the right
to attack them. Additionally, it does prove that Iran is not a country of ''zealots'' as US and Israeli propaganda pretend it to be.
Originally posted by centurion1211
I doubt that anyone who has really studied the history of WWII believes that after all the other atrocities they had committed, either Japan or
Germany would have hesitated to use nuclear weapons if they had them.
You misunderstood me. If both Japan and the US would have had a nuclear weapon, the US would probably haven't dropped two nuclear bombs out of fear
for a nuclear rataliation. Iran's position is very different. They are not engaged in war, nor are they losing a war, while Japan was.
Originally posted by centurion1211
only works if you are not dealing with madmen or religious zealots. Deterrence will not work when a country such as iran is run by mullahs and a
president who feel that dying as part of an attack on the "great satan" is the most wonderful thing that could happen to them. And they don't care
who they take with them.
Even when Iraq invaded Iran back in the 80's and used chemical weapons on several Iranian targets, Iran did not retaliate with a counter chemical
attack.
If you can find any sources that show the opposite, please show them. As for yet no one on here has been able to do so.
The loose statement that Israel should be wiped off the map is a product of Dirty Israeli propaganda machines in the US.
Does Iran's President wants Israel wiped off the map?
To raze Israel to the ground, to batter down, to destroy, to annihilate, to liquidate, to erase Israel, to wipe it off the map - this is what Iran's
President demanded - at least this is what we read about or heard of at the end of October 2005. Spreading the news was very effective. This is a
declaration of war they said. Obviously government and media were at one with their indignation. It goes around the world.
But let's take a closer look at what Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said. It is a merit of the 'New York Times' that they placed the
complete speech at our disposal. Here's an excerpt from the publication dated 2005-10-30:
"They say it is not possible to have a world without the United States and Zionism. But you know that this is a possible goal and slogan. Let's take
a step back. [[[We had a hostile regime in this country which was undemocratic, armed to the teeth and, with SAVAK, its security apparatus of SAVAK
[the intelligence bureau of the Shah of Iran's government] watched everyone. An environment of terror existed.]]] When our dear Imam [Ayatollah
Ruhollah Khomeini, the founder of the Iranian revolution] said that the regime must be removed, many of those who claimed to be politically
well-informed said it was not possible. All the corrupt governments were in support of the regime when Imam Khomeini started his movement. [[[All the
Western and Eastern countries supported the regime even after the massacre of September 7 [1978] ]]] and said the removal of the regime was not
possible. But our people resisted and it is 27 years now that we have survived without a regime dependent on the United States. The tyranny of the
East and the West over the world should have to end, but weak people who can see only what lies in front of them cannot believe this. Who would
believe that one day we could witness the collapse of the Eastern Empire? But we could watch its fall in our lifetime. And it collapsed in a way that
we have to refer to libraries because no trace of it is left. Imam [Khomeini] said Saddam must go and he said he would grow weaker than anyone could
imagine. Now you see the man who spoke with such arrogance ten years ago that one would have thought he was immortal, is being tried in his own
country in handcuffs and shackles [[[by those who he believed supported him and with whose backing he committed his crimes]]]. Our dear Imam said that
the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to
create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime [Israel] has in fact, signed
the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no
doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the
Islamic world."
(source: www.nytimes.com, based on a publication of 'Iranian Students News Agency' (ISNA) -- insertions by the New York Times in squared brackets --
passages in triple squared brackets will be left blank in the MEMRI version printed below)
It's becoming clear. The statements of the Iranian President have been reflected by the media in a manipulated way. Iran's President betokens
the removal of the regimes, that are in power in Israel and in the USA, to be possible aim for the future. This is correct. But he never demands the
elimination or annihilation of Israel.
He reveals that changes are potential. The Shah-Regime being supported by the USA in its own country has been vanquished. The eastern governance of
the Soviet Union collapsed. Saddam Hussein's dominion drew to a close. Referring to this he voices his aspiration that changes will also be feasible
in Israel respectivel
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[edit on 23-1-2007 by Mdv2]