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posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 07:23 PM
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I have heard these exist! My father was a mason (and yes he always said they were wierd and most likely all lizards!) and one day i heard there were lady masons, in fact a group (clan, lodge, coven, gaggle whatever) in the next town to me, but i cant find any information at all on lady masons! I would love to join, i have a sick curiosity and lots of spare time!


Anyone know anything about em?




posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 07:27 PM
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You'll be in a clandestine lodge because Masonry doesn't recognize these "Co-ed" lodges.



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 07:40 PM
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hmmm... i shall listen in to converstaions by odd looking people on the bus hee hee, but the other option is to get a stick on tasche, but im sure two things would give me away ha ha. i shall have too seek out my dads masonic books and have a read, i know we still have them somewhere, he got into some invite only not everyone can get in, bit, so maybe interesting reading, i know they wanted books and stuff back when he died. I shall snoop and come back to you all!

x x x

[edit on 21-1-2007 by Irisa]



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 07:44 PM
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There is also the OES (Order of the Eastern Star) which are wives and daughters of Masons. Almost every lodge has a group.

The Co-Masonry in the US is indeed considered clandestine and not recognized. In France there is a bigger presence of Co's



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 07:47 PM
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Originally posted by Irisa
I have heard these exist! My father was a mason (and yes he always said they were wierd and most likely all lizards!) and one day i heard there were lady masons, in fact a group (clan, lodge, coven, gaggle whatever) in the next town to me, but i cant find any information at all on lady masons! I would love to join, i have a sick curiosity and lots of spare time!


Anyone know anything about em?


Irisa,

I know SEVERAL of them (including the author of this page)

www.luckymojo.com...

As Freimaurer says, you won't be a member of a Lodge recognized by "regular" Masons, but you might enjoy membership, nonetheless.

Good luck to you.



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by Irisa
I have heard these exist! My father was a mason (and yes he always said they were wierd and most likely all lizards!) and one day i heard there were lady masons, in fact a group (clan, lodge, coven, gaggle whatever) in the next town to me, but i cant find any information at all on lady masons! I would love to join, i have a sick curiosity and lots of spare time!


Anyone know anything about em?


Your father is correct. Lady Masons are, for the most part, weird lizards.

For more information, check out this site: www.zombo.com



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 08:16 PM
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I have sent off an email to the head of the west lancashire lodges (dropping in my fathers membership) and asking if he knew of anything, Order of the Eastern Star, yarda yarda, never know it could come up with something fo rme, or i could get kidnapped and probed for my knowledge by lizardy crazy people! Although that counts as a good night out round here



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 08:21 PM
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Greetings Irisa




See the following.

Link: BLAVATSKY’S MASONIC PATENT



I would not join the Eastern Star, because they utilize the inverted Pentagram, the symbol of the fallen (wo)man.

And the goal of Initiation is to be Raised Up or Upright, like the Blazing Star.

The Eastern Star of modern Co-Masonry seems to be not much more than, that some chauvinists simply decided to throw the female family-members of modern Masons a bone, so to speak.




Certain Masonic sects also use the inverted pentagram (namely, the Daughters of the Eastern Star).

Most modern sects and religions that use that symbol say it symbolizes the spirit descending into matter, or the Divine "touching" earth. We know that is a false understanding of that symbol. The majority of people who use that symbol simply don't know any better.

A "counter clockwise" swastika is not inherently negative. The clock wise swastika is the symbol of Cosmic Christ leaving the bosom of the Absolute in order to create or initiate the Mahamanvantara. The counter clockwise swastika is when it returns back to the absolute.






Better to study more the Ancient and Primitive teachings of FreeMasonry.




On the Rit Egyptien

In France, after the revolution, there was a split in the masonic lodges. Some adhered to Cagliostro's Egyptian rite (the right way) which reincorporated a Priestess in their temples. Others (like the idiots that denied Blavatsky) still stuck with their Piscean, foolish ways of excluding the Priestess. They are just like the modern so-called Christians (which are Piscean in nature) that still practice stagnate rituals without a Priestess! If one is to consider the symbolism of the ritual without a Priestess...it is disgusting. Again refer to "The Revolution of Beelzebub" and the "Perfect Matrimony" by Samael Aun Weor for more info regarding this.





The Gnostic Lumisials are the true inheritors of the Ancient and Primitive Rite of FreeMasonry of the Illuminati and Master Alchemist Cagliostro, who had more respect for Women, the Priestesses, and Dakinis.







Regards



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by Tamahu
I would not join the Eastern Star, because they utilize the inverted Pentagram, the symbol of the fallen (wo)man.
And the goal of Initiation is to be Raised Up or Upright, like the Blazing Star.


Actually if you had actually bothered to study the symbolism of the Order of the Eastern Star, you'd know that the five-pointed star, with one point down, is a represenation of the Christ, descended to earth and has NOTHING to do with "fallen" (wo)man. Never did. Never will.


The Eastern Star of modern Co-Masonry seems to be not much more than, that some chauvinists simply decided to throw the female family-members of modern Masons a bone, so to speak.


And if you actually knew what "Co-Masonry" is you'd know that Co-Masonry does not HAVE an Order of the Eastern Star. Never has. Never will. Co-Masonry confers the same degrees that regular Masonry confers (Entered Apprentice, Fellow Craft, Master Mason as well as several of the commonly-called "York Rite" Degrees up to Knight Templar as well as the 4th - 33rd Degrees of the Scottish Rite.


Better to study more the Ancient and Primitive teachings of FreeMasonry.


'twould appear that it's better to actually study FREEMASONRY itself before one TEACHES it, huh?


[edit on 21-1-2007 by Appak]



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by Appak
Actually if you had actually bothered to study the symbolism of the Order of the Eastern Star, you'd know that the five-pointed star, with one point down, is a represenation of the Christ, descended to earth and has NOTHING to do with "fallen" (wo)man. Never did. Never will.




We have to distinguish between a fall and a descent.

Christ descending, does not invert.

The inverted Pentagram is the symbol of fallen humanity.




And if you actually knew what "Co-Masonry" is you'd know that Co-Masonry does not HAVE an Order of the Eastern Star. Never has. Never will. Co-Masonry confers the same degrees that regular Masonry confers (Entered Apprentice, Fellow Craft, Master Mason as well as several of the commonly-called "York Rite" Degrees up to Knight Templar as well as the 4th - 33rd Degrees of the Scottish Rite.




Whether modern Co-Masonry, or Eastern Star; it doesn't change the fact that the Grand Lodge didn't listen to Cagliostro, and that modern Masonry, for the most part, keeps the Woman somewhere in the background.


The Grand Demiurge Architect of the Universe is both Male and Female.

Abba and Aima.






Regards




[edit on 21-1-2007 by Tamahu]


adc

posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 08:46 PM
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Do you and the rest of humanity a favour and research and join the anti-NWO movement.



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by Appak
'twould appear that it's better to actually study FREEMASONRY itself before one TEACHES it, huh?




Ancient-and-Primitive, and modern Masonry share the same roots.

And I've certainly no wish to disrespect the Foundations of FreeMasonry, nor to disrespect modern Masons who truly have honest intentions.




However, to quote Eliphas Levi(with quoted-commentary):






Originally posted by Tamahu
...Let us quote the Great Magician, FreeMason and Alchemist Eliphas Levi(which was written over 100 years ago when the world was not near as degenerated as it is now)in bold, with some added notes(which are not in bold).

I ask all the Masonic Brethren to read this carefully and take it how you will as a message, instead of worrying about the messenger:








...Science is a noblesse qui oblige and we shall in no wise fail to deserve the princely crown of the Rosy Cross. We also believe in the resurrection of Hiram.

The Rites of Masonry are designed to transmit a memorial of the legends of initiation and to preserve them among the Brethren. Now, if Masonry is thus holy and thus sublime, we may be asked how it came to be proscribed and condemned so often by the Church; but we have already replied to this question when its divisions and profanations were mentioned. Masonry is the Gnosis and the false Gnostics caused the condemnation of the true. The latter were driven into concealment, not through fear of the light, for the light is that which they desire, that which they seek and adore; but they stood in dread of the sacriligious-that is to say, of false interpreters, calumniators. the derision of the skeptic, the enemies of all belief and all morality. Moreover, at the present day, there are many who think that they are Masons and yet do not know the meaning of their Rites, having lost the Key of the Mysteries:





The Four Rivers of Eden







Regards


[edit on 21-1-2007 by Tamahu]



Moderator edit: Please don't copy and paste other messages that you've written... even material on this board. Pointing to the original is a great idea, and so is rewriting it. But please don't do the old copy-and-paste bit.

[edit on 22-1-2007 by Byrd]



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by Tamahu
We have to distinguish between a fall and a descent.
Christ descending, does not invert.
The inverted Pentagram is the symbol of fallen humanity.


What makes it (the star with one point down) "inverted?" Who SAID it was inverted? Why isn't the star with one point UP Inverted and the one with one point down, right?

It's all in the interpretation and intent of the symbol....the interpretation and intent of the organization USING it (in this case the Order of the Eastern Star) not YOUR definition. See?



Whether modern Co-Masonry, or Eastern Star, it doesn't change the fact that the Grand Lodge didn't listen to Cagliostro, and that modern Masonry, for the most part, keeps the Woman somewhere in the background.


What, pray tell, did the Charlatan Cagliostro have to do with modern Grand Lodges? BTW, there are TONS of Grand Lodges...not just one. His so-called "Rite" was illegitimate and NEVER recognized by actual Freemasonry.


The Grand Demiurge Architect of the Universe is both Male and Female.


Uhm..hm...a fascinating concept of Gnosticism...but has nothing to do with the Masonic Order.







Regards








[edit on 21-1-2007 by Tamahu]



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by Appak
What makes it (the star with one point down) "inverted?" Who SAID it was inverted? Why isn't the star with one point UP Inverted and the one with one point down, right?



Because it is a symbol of the Christified, or Upright Man(or Woman).

Who stands on His or Her own two feet.





It's all in the interpretation and intent of the symbol....the interpretation and intent of the organization USING it (in this case the Order of the Eastern Star) not YOUR definition. See?




I've explained elsewhere, how symbols carry objective vibrational energies.

Adepts of Mantra-Yana know this full-well.

This is why there is a Mantra given by Lord Krishna, to invoke the appearance of the Upright Blazing Star, as to scatter the tenebrous ones.




What, pray tell, did the Charlatan Cagliostro have to do with modern Grand Lodges? BTW, there are TONS of Grand Lodges...not just one. His so-called "Rite" was illegitimate and NEVER recognized by actual Freemasonry.




I believe it is explained in Manly P. Hall's "Secret Teachings of All Ages".

Manly P. Hall agrees that the Grand Lodges should have followed Cagliostro's recommendations.

See also what was written in the Blavatsky's Masonic Patent.






The Grand Demiurge Architect of the Universe is both Male and Female.


Uhm..hm...a fascinating concept of Gnosticism...but has nothing to do with the Masonic Order.



Albert Pike and many others such as Godfrey Higgins(both FreeMasons) have proven almost beyond any shadow of a doubt, that FreeMasonry is in its origins a Gnostic sect.

Masonic Light has pointed out, where Albert Pike wrote that the "G" of FreeMasonry, also stands for Gnosis(and Geometry, Grand Architect, God, etc.)







Regards




[edit on 21-1-2007 by Tamahu]



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 09:43 PM
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Tamuh... I really wish you would stop attacking Masonic threads and attempting to compare it with gnostism..

As Apak said, the meaning of a symbol has a meaning in realation to the one using it. The star for instance means many things, the Jews also use it (star of David) and I am sure they do not mean it to be of a fallen women? ... The star used in the Order of the Eastern Star is used by that organization to represent christ coming to Earth...

Just because one culture at one point took a line and deformed it into any given shape, does not mean that the shape is to be used exclusivly for that purpose and that purpose only.

Now anyways...

Back to what the young lady who originally made this thread had wished to discuss... before having it hijacked by book sales..

As several Masons here have already said, the Order of the Eastern Star is the only organization for women. There are also children groups (Rainbow Girls) is one of them. But actual Masonic lodges do not accept women..

I cannot tell you anything about OSE because ... well I dont know anything about and unlike some (not naming anyone like Tamuh) I try my best to give the knowledge I have without professing my self an expert. But I do believe you have to have a sponsor, or a husband/father in Masonry before you can join OSE.

But I think the more important question would be why your so interested to join an organization without knowing what it is?



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by Tamahu
Because it is a symbol of the Christified, or Upright Man(or Woman).
Who stands on His or Her own two feet.


Yes, when interpreted as such. That is NOT how the Order of the Eastern Star utilizes that symbol though. As I said, different organizations interpret and utilize different symbols in different ways. The fylfot (swastika) is a good example. The Nazi's sure used it to symbolize something entirely different from it's earlier interpretation, huh?



Adepts of Mantra-Yana know this full-well.
This is why there is a Mantra given by Lord Krishna, to invoke the appearance of the Upright Blazing Star, as to scatter the tenebrous ones.


Uhm-hmm. Not significant to the Order of the Eastern Star, though. Not mentioned or even hinted at in their ritual. Apples. Oranges.


I believe it is explained in Manly P. Hall's "Secret Teachings of All Ages".Manly P. Hall agrees that the Grand Lodges should have followed his recommendations.


Hall was an individual (not EVEN a MASON) when he wrote "Secret Teachings...." Why would his words carry any weight to MASONS since he spoke with no authority? Even when he BECAME a Mason (some years later) he held no high office or authority. His writings were his own opinions and not the opinions of any Grand Masonic body.

You see, that's one of the beauties of Masonry...no one man speaks for all of it. Never has. Never will. Many (like yourself) look to writers like Hall or the straw-man Pike as "Masonic Authorities" and they simply aren't.


See also what was written in the top link of the "Blavatsky Masonic Patent" google-search posted above.


Madame Blavatsky (being female) wasn't even a legitimate Mason, let alone an authority on Masonry. Her "theosophy" was an interesting (albeit convoluted) concept, but NOT Masonry.

Sorry.



Albert Pike and many others such as Godfrey Higgins(both FreeMasons) have proven almost beyond any shadow of a doubt, that FreeMasonry is in its origins a Gnostic sect.


Aw shucks. And I thought I was a Catholic.



Masonic Light has pointed out, where Albert Pike wrote that the "G" of FreeMasonry, also stands for Gnosis(and Geometry, Grand Architect, God, etc.)
See above regarding Pike and his OPINIONS. Dont' get me wrong, I am a Pike devotee. I truly enjoy his works and just started reading the Scottish Rite Research Society's newest book "Albert Pike's Lecture on Masonic Symbolism" which takes up where "Morals & Dogma" left off and was only printed for a short time until now. But again, Pike's opinions were HIS OWN and to illustrate it, he wrote in the Prefact to "Morals & Dogma" the following:

"Every one is entirely free to reject and dissent from whatsoever herein may seem to him to be untrue or unsound."

So he can say that the "G" means Gnosis, or God, or Gravy or Good Grief...and everyone is entirely free to reject and dissent...

That's one of the other beauties of Masonry.



posted on Jan, 22 2007 @ 04:53 PM
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Okay guys.

This bickering is useless(in reference to myself as well).


Just to clarify a couple things however...






Originally posted by Rockpuck
As Apak said, the meaning of a symbol has a meaning in realation to the one using it. The star for instance means many things, the Jews also use it (star of David) and I am sure they do not mean it to be of a fallen women? ... The star used in the Order of the Eastern Star is used by that organization to represent christ coming to Earth...





Actually, your getting the sign of the Klipothic-demon(not be confused with the Divine Daemon of Socrates) mixed up with the Seal of Solomon:




A six-pointed star formed by two crossed triangles. Also known in
India as the sign of Vishnu and used as a talisman against evil.







Originally posted by Rockpuck
I cannot tell you anything about OSE because ... well I dont know anything about and unlike some (not naming anyone like Tamuh) I try my best to give the knowledge I have without professing my self an expert.




If you are implying that I've proclaimed myself an expert; I've done no such thing.

And It doesn't, with all due respect, take an expert to see that the inverted Pentagram is a negative symbol.





Originally posted by Appak
Yes, when interpreted as such. That is NOT how the Order of the Eastern Star utilizes that symbol though. As I said, different organizations interpret and utilize different symbols in different ways. The fylfot (swastika) is a good example. The Nazi's sure used it to symbolize something entirely different from it's earlier interpretation, huh?




As for this, and the rest; all I'll say is that we can believe whatever we want about something, but it doesn't change the objective meaning of the thing(such as the vibrational value, whether creative or destructive, of a Geometeric figure, Sound, or Symbol).

Just as one would want fire in the hearth as opposed to on the kitchen rug, you'd think if one were wanting to repel demons, they would not keep representations that carry the vibrations that attract them in the vicinity.



But, we are free to believe whatever we want, and that's the beauty of life(and/or Masonry) for many of us.



No hard feelings or anything.






Regards





[edit on 22-1-2007 by Tamahu]



posted on Jan, 22 2007 @ 05:18 PM
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Irisa

PM me and I'll put you in touch with either the Lady Masons or the co-ed masons near you in Lancs directly, and I'd be pleased to answer any of your questions. Reading this thread will only confuse you.

Everyone else

How did this thread degenerate so quickly and go so off topic? Pull yourselves together



posted on Jan, 22 2007 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by Tamahu
As for this, and the rest; all I'll say is that we can believe whatever we want about something, but it doesn't change the objective meaning of the thing(such as the vibrational value, whether creative or destructive, of a Geometeric figure, Sound, or Symbol).
Just as one would want fire in the hearth as opposed to on the kitchen rug, you'd think if one were wanting to repel demons, they would not keep representations that carry the vibrations that attract them in the vicinity.


Tamahu,

You're falling into the trap that many fall into. You're accepting the so-called "common" interpretation of these emblems...and while they MIGHT symbolize some of the things you say to SOME, they simply DO NOT symbolize these things in the O.E.S. As far as attracting demons, you could be onto something. You should meet some of the cranky old ladies I'VE met in the Order of the Eastern Star.



No hard feelings or anything.


No, of course not.

This sort of back and forth banter (although complained about by some) actually can bring out some valuable information. And that's what it's all about.

Heck, it even brought about one member's question as to whether not I'm a nice guy...and truly I am. I get a bit passionate from time to time, but I do enjoy this forum immensely.


-Appak



posted on Jan, 22 2007 @ 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by Appak
You're falling into the trap that many fall into. You're accepting the so-called "common" interpretation of these emblems...




While it is best to, in the majority of cases, avoid conventional "wisdom"; it is also true that conventional-wisdom is, actually, true Wisdom at times.







This sort of back and forth banter (although complained about by some) actually can bring out some valuable information. And that's what it's all about.

Heck, it even brought about one member's question as to whether not I'm a nice guy...and truly I am. I get a bit passionate from time to time, but I do enjoy this forum immensely.




I for the most part, feel the same way about all that.







Regards






[edit on 22-1-2007 by Tamahu]



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