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Hugo Chavez: 'Go to hell, gringos! Go home!'

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posted on Jan, 23 2007 @ 10:11 PM
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Chavez and Ahmadinejad shouldn't criticize Bush so much, after all they have much in common.

All are demagogues that promulgate the fear of foriegn threats as excuses for power grabs at home and risky policies overseas.

I can't say I am overly fond of any of them.




posted on Jan, 23 2007 @ 10:53 PM
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Hugo "El Burro" Chavez has a 3rd grade education if that and unfortunatly he cannot express himself as a diplomatic ruler or even a coherent dictator.


He cant even put down his enemies as anyone with a little schooling could.


What in the world has happened? When you look back at Joseph Stalin, Adolph Hitler, etc.. these were terrible men, evil, and perceived as the worse of the worse, however, darn it, they could speak and had presence and education. They were "clean" looking, authoritative figures. Never mind the world feared them- we already know they were bad...my point is what has happened to dignified, educated looking leaders???

That little whimp in Iran?
That idiot Chavez? Little Kim?

And last but not least, our own GWB.
The world laughs at these figures and they happen to be the ones at the control switch for the nukes...

Just an observation...my, how this world has changed.


What a bunch of fools.



posted on Jan, 23 2007 @ 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by soficrow

Erm.

...Because Chavez is not spending $2.2 BILLION dollars a day to help his rich friends steal other nations' wealth and resources?


Nice try to derail this thread....


Originally posted by soficrow
...Because Chavez is not killing civilians in our name, using our money to do it, and writing off dead babies as "collateral damage"?


He has ordered the killings of Venezuelans who opose him.... He has ordered leaders of the oposition to be jailed.... he has order Venezuelans who signed a referendum against him to be laid off en mass....



posted on Jan, 24 2007 @ 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by soficrow

Erm.

...Because Chavez is not spending $2.2 BILLION dollars a day to help his rich friends steal other nations' wealth and resources?


Nice try to derail this thread....




Nice try at misrepresentation.

I was responding to a direct question. As you know. It was your question.



Originally posted by Muaddib

Why is it that some people claim "the United States shouldn't meddle in the affairs of other countries", yet when people like Chavez state their goal is to spread Communism around the world, and that includes in the United States, these same people in these forums don't say a peep?.....




Erm.

...Because Chavez is not spending $2.2 BILLION dollars a day to help his rich friends steal other nations' wealth and resources?

...Because Chavez is not killing civilians in our name, using our money to do it, and writing off dead babies as "collateral damage"?






posted on Jan, 24 2007 @ 02:44 PM
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Soficrow...you are twisting again the facts.. People do die in wars in case you didn't know... more so when there are insurgents/terrorists attacking coalition forces and killing more babies and Iraqi civilians than they are killing soldiers...

And BTW, Chavez orders the police, the military and his thugs to shoot his own people in the streets because they opose Chavez, yet you don't say a peep about it even though this thread is about what "Chavez" is doing.... that says a lot....



And btw, chavez is doing all of the above "for the people of the world"....so that includes you.

[edit on 24-1-2007 by Muaddib]



posted on Jan, 25 2007 @ 08:52 PM
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Venezuela May Ask U.S. Envoy to Leave

CARACAS, Venezuela Jan 25, 2007 (AP)— President Hugo Chavez warned Thursday that the U.S. ambassador could be asked to leave the country if he continues "meddling in Venezuela's affairs."

The outspoken Venezuelan leader lashed out after William Brownfield said U.S. companies and investors must receive a fair price for their shares of Venezuela's largest telephone company when it is nationalized.

"If you continue meddling in Venezuela's affairs, first of all, you are violating the Geneva agreements and getting yourself involved in a serious violation and could … be declared a persona non grata and would have to leave the country," Chavez.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


I guess he was serious when he said 'Go to hell, gringos! Go home!'




posted on Jan, 26 2007 @ 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib

The anwser to that is that Chavez wants to spread the revolution around the world, not only to Venezuela or latin america, and he has been inciting violent revolution, like other revolutionaries before him.


Um, violent revolution? You got a link to that? My friend in Venezuela tells me the former leader was the violent one.



Originally posted by Muaddib
Chavez is a Communist, he has finally come out and declared what he is and what he wants to do.


You got a link to this one too? I know he is a self proclaimed Socialist, but I have never heard himself say he was a communist. Please post any link you have to support this statement as I am very interested to read it.


Originally posted by Muaddib
What do you think the goal of the "revolution" is when he alongside some other "revolutionaries" say their goal is to destroy Capitalism and supplant it with Communism? Do you think that is good for the U.S. or any other country?


Again, please provide a link. I know that he dislikes capitalism and wants to replace it with a Socialist state - something that isn't all that bad considering the damage capitalism unchecked is doing to our country. I have never heard him say he wanted to install a communist state.



Originally posted by Muaddib
The following excerpt is part of his speech in Spanish.


Do you have a link for an english transcript? i dont speak spanish unfortunately. Also, for any ATSers, can anyone confirm the validity of the transcript in Spanish AND provide an accurate translation that says everything Muaddib is claiming? I am not trying to argue, however I have always liked Chavez and am curious if he is changing direction.



Originally posted by Muaddib

Imagine people being killed in the streets for protesting against this new mandate of Chavez in other countries where he wants to spread Communism, or people being laid off and threatened en mass for oposing him, which has been happening in Venezuela, that's the "red socialism" (Communism) Chavez wants to spread.

So tell me, is that any good news to any country in the world, or in specific to the west?
[edit on 22-1-2007 by Muaddib]


I can IMAGINE alot of things, that doesn't mean thats the way it is. Do you value democracy? You do know that he was elected by the people of his country. If he has huge support and the will of the people to go the direction of Socialism (or communism as you claim) why is it the buisness of the US? We are supposed to cherish democracy, the will of the people. Or is that only cherished when it benefits big money and the ruling elite?? That link you provided isn't exactly unbiased. That is like posting a link to a liberal site to slander a republican. As I said before, my buddy in Venezuela likes Chavez and so do the majority of the population. The wealthy MINORITY doesn't like him because he is redistributing the NATIONS WEALTH (i.e. natural resources) so that the whole of the people can prosper. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I have never seen credible evidence to support the image of the monster he is supposed to be.



posted on Jan, 26 2007 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by xmotex
Chavez and Ahmadinejad shouldn't criticize Bush so much, after all they have much in common.

All are demagogues that promulgate the fear of foriegn threats as excuses for power grabs at home and risky policies overseas.

I can't say I am overly fond of any of them.


Wow, doesn't this sound familiar. What exactly do you think our great exhalted leader here (Bush) has done?

He has played on the fears of a foreign threat many times now to grab unprecedented amounts of power. He has invaded a soverign nation, removed their government and occupied them. Now he is getting ready to do it again. Last Ichecked, Chavez hadn't invaded anyone and he has every right to not trust the US - we frikin tried to remove him in power via a coup and assasinate him!!! I would be pissed too. Here is a concept, why dont we try actually sitting down and discussing some of these things with him? I dont think Bush has the cranial capacity to do so. That is why he has such a gleaming record on foreign policy.



posted on Jan, 26 2007 @ 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib

He has ordered the killings of Venezuelans who opose him.... He has ordered leaders of the oposition to be jailed.... he has order Venezuelans who signed a referendum against him to be laid off en mass....


Please provide a link to support your claims.



posted on Jan, 26 2007 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by UM_Gazz
Why should the USA care if the leader of Venezuela, who was elected by a wide margin, plans to turn his country into a socialist state?


Because he's a whacked out anti-american communist who wants America to be destroyed. He said so in a major speech while visiting his good friend - the president of Iran (another freaky whack-job).

There is a thread about that speech somewhere here at ATS (or PTS).

Oh .. you forgot to mention in your list of his activities that he has basically taken over the press in Venezuela. They no longer have a free press. No freedom of speech. So how can the people there 'freely' elect anyone when they aren't even allowed to discuss the topics or the candidates???

[edit on 1/22/2007 by FlyersFan]


Freedom of Press and freedom in general is not a world wide concept. Many countries around this globe greatly restrict the amount of freedom they allow their people to have. Look at China ... soon to be the largest population of internet users ... but everything internet connection into the country goes through massive filters. So if you look up Tianamen Square in a search engine in China you won't get the ugly pictures of people being killed and the protests.

Okay, so we should care and be mindful of the fact that the Venezulean president made a statement that he wants America destroyed. How do you think we would feel if there was an attempted coup tried upon us? Remember how gungho we were for Afghanistan after 9/11??

A country has to decide what is right for itself. We can't force democracy on the world. And really, what is a forced democracy?? If the people of that nation do not want democracy and it is forced on them is it truly freedom?




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