I have watched the beginning of the first DVD of his Creation Science Seminars DVD set. One thing I can tell you (ok, off-topic) is that he is an excellent speaker. Even though I'm a non-Christian creationist he kept me interested. He makes good points except when he points to the Bible for backup.

He does mention a few things which I'm VERY interested to see what the response of evolutionists are. Those also go along with "evolution: fact or fable?" by Christian author Richard Johnston.

The second law of thermodynamics means that everything deteriorates and does not get more complex as required for evolution to occur.

Other tidbits:
1. The amount of helium in the atmosphere shows the earth could not be old enough for evolution to occur. Earth can be no more than a few million years old (apparently not enough for evolution) because of the quantity of Helium in the atmosphere.
2. The same goes for the amount of salt in the oceans.
3. The deterioration of the Earth's magnetic field point towards a young
Earth. Not necessarily 6000 years, but definitely not billions.
4. The law of the conservation of angular momentum disproves the big bang theory. To uphold that law all planets should be spinning in the same direction but Venus, Uranus and possibly Pluto, spin in the opposite direction.

Even if this guy did get in trouble for taxes....he did not LIE to the public, he simply shared his opinion and his scientific reasons for that viewpoint. i mean of course some of his research had to of been bias but he has just as much of a right to share it that the athiest has to share why they believe what they believe. can we not believe that? i see so much hatred for people who believe in god and so much tension between the two but we should just let people be. yes what he did was wrong and he should endure his punishment, he has ruined himself.

Originally posted by Clearskies
The paid 'scientific' community acts like a bunch of monkeys EVERY time someone with any authority suggests Creationism (God).

Poppycock!

You can suggest creationism almost any time you like. Just keep it out of science and the science classroom. And creationism =/= god. There are lots of evolutionary theists, and scientists who are theists.

I also wouldn't call Hovind as someone with any authority on anything to do with science. But he is a proven liar and a fraud. I'm not surprised to see some Xians supporting him, their moral relativism shines through at times.

[edit on 31-10-2007 by melatonin]

People can use science to back up anything they feel like....who said science was bound to evolution.

I think you might have difficulty using methodological naturalism (i.e., science) to truly support creationism.

If a version of creationism makes specific claims, we can test those claims. For example, the Hovind-type of YEC has been tested, falsified, and, so, rejected. It was over a hundred years ago.

Originally posted by time4chg07
People can use science to back up anything they feel like

No you can’t. I think that you have mistaken science for statistics, but worry 9 out of 10 people do at some point in their life.

....who said science was bound to evolution.

So far it is the only theory that is backed up by the evidence.


[edit on 31-10-2007 by Mr Mxyztplk]

There is also Science that contradicts evolution….I will find some sources and post on here again. I know things that I have heard but would be foolish to post it without refreshing my memory. There is a lot of good science but there is flawed science and there is science that tends to be overlooked. Im not supporting hovind in all of his claims, keep in mind.

[edit on 31-10-2007 by time4chg07]

Look, I have posted a topic (which I'm sure some of you have have seen) and it'd be nice to post any more evidence (that means facts) contradicting evolution. As with everything you have too take away the parts you like. I happen to like all of Hovinds seminars and believe in his viewpoint. And until somebody accurately discredits with concrete evidence (not kenthovind.com) I will change my viewpoint. But until that happens I'm a firm believer in Jesus Christ.

Saying that, I believe Hovind was wrong. Sure its a pain and Kent wanted to say untax-exempt, but he forgot that this Earth isn't perfect. He should have just paid his taxes - "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's". Everybody his flaws, not a shocker.

One more reason Americans need to listen to Mr. Jefferson and Ron Paul.

However seeing some of you revel in a man's going to prison over taxes in a church while Catholic priests get away with diddling little boys all over America, because they are Government Churches is interesting.

Well Mr. Hovind held many many debates with many well known evolutionists and so called experts and when he went to jail he was undefeated, I suppose he will remain that way now until he gets at out at the least. I suggest you all take this 10 years and try to find one shred of scientific evidence for your belief in our Origin so that when he gets out of prison you can collect that 250k he has up to anyone that has scientific evidence of evolution.

Then we get to that pesky document the Bill of Rights and that pesky 1st Amendment, what part of SHALL NOT do you think congress don't get???

for those that would like to see a former Evolution Professors reasons against Evolution you can watch his Scientific 5 part series on Google Video for free.

Walter Veith - The Genesis Conflict series

Dr. Veith also has a series called total onslaught also that is very interesting and covers such topics as freemasons, jesuits, anti-christ, who really rules this world and what not. In fact I ave often thought Dr. Veith would be a great ATS'r...

Thanks! I'll look at that.
Where have you been???

Originally posted by whiterabbit
I'm certainly no fan of this guy, but I really don't see what good it does to give someone prison time for something like this.

I mean, if they can't pay the restitution to the government, that's one thing, but he obviously can. So what's the good of putting him in jail? If the money gets paid back, the debt to society is repaid as far as I'm concerned.

That's like saying corporate executives who make millions doing white collar crime, stealing millions from their companies and bailing, leaving it in ruins just deserve a fine and a slap on the wrist. Monetary crimes are crimes too, and you shouldn't expect to get out of punishment just because you've got money. Even if that's the way the real world tends to work.

It's because he essentially stole money from the American public. You pay your taxes (assuming you're both an American and not a felon). You expect everyone else to, as the sum of your taxes is used to pay for the exploits of your elected government. Now how well that actually works is of course up for debate (seriously, it's pretty damn misspent), but the matter is, he's using the services of the US government without paying for them. He is stealing from the government, and by extension, from you, and every other American taxpayer, by some proportionally small amount. That carries a serious punishment. Now a 200 year sentence is a bit excessive, but you have to be a real douche to evade taxes and then lie about it in court.

Hovind just happens to be exactly that kind of douche. He's lucky to get off with 10 years, and should be damn grateful.

He did it to illegally make millions of dollars off of naiieve people who will believe his lies. Seriously, almost every word that comes out of his mouth during lectures is dead, verifiably wrong. You can see them on youtube. He ostensibly does not copyright them, but he does sell them for profit. Unless I'm seriously overestimating his intelligence, he knows he's wrong on many counts, but continues using the same lines despite being refuted solidly countless times. Even Answers in Genesis tells people that they shouldn't use most of his arguments, and they're almost as bad as he is.

Originally posted by SteveAndrew
Look, I have posted a topic (which I'm sure some of you have have seen) and it'd be nice to post any more evidence (that means facts) contradicting evolution. As with everything you have too take away the parts you like. I happen to like all of Hovinds seminars and believe in his viewpoint. And until somebody accurately discredits with concrete evidence (not kenthovind.com) I will change my viewpoint. But until that happens I'm a firm believer in Jesus Christ.

You don't have to believe in the interpretation of the bible that Hovind believes to be a Christian, and a believer in Jesus Christ. In fact, the majority of Christians don't. Seriously, if you have any interest in your beliefs coinciding with the real world, you'd be better off taking a more liberal interpretation. Hovind's beliefs are OBJECTIVELY, VERIFYABLY INCORRECT, and have been shown, to him, to be incorrect. Science can't touch god, but when you start making claims that have observable effects, it damn well can call you on it when you're talking out your ass.

And Hovind has quite the verbose ass.