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Am I being overly paranoid?

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posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 09:53 AM
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Or is it more "correct thinking" than I would like to believe?

I just wanted to start off by saying that I have NO clue here to post this. I guess the "Questions" board is appropriate (altho if I am wrong I am sorry and move it at will...)

Alright. I'm not typically over paranoid about such things but, I have heard so much lately about people getting into trouble for opinion in public (for the sake of argument, and hesitantly I'll put it this way as to encompass a larger base) "soapboxes". Also in due to America's present state of affairs i.e. The "Patriot" act, and the similar bombardment of the government into our personal affairs. Or at least from what I've been understanding...

First off, I am a military wife, I have many personal opinions of many different things that aren't exactly "in agreement" with the present state of affairs that we find ourselves in. Which is one of the many reasons I joined/ love this site. To get to my point quickly my question is this- am I being too overly cautious with refraining from commenting on certain posts? I openly admit I have heard my fair share of "horror stories" about military personel themselves writing things and getting into trouble for it. (I admit I do not have actual proof these are just things I have heard..) I am just curious if spouses are subject to the same rules.

Again, I fear I am indeed just being overly paranoid. I suppose it doesn't hurt to ask. I would also like to add my husband isn't part of my fears, he accepts my feelings on all of these things regardless of his own beliefs.

Before I go off on an even longer rant I'll simply end this here.

Thanks.
-Ana




posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 11:04 AM
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I don't believe you have anything to worry about.

I would say, post to your hearts content.

The Administrators of this site, to the best of my knowledge, have been and are constantly VERY cautious about outside influence. Particularly the Government type.

There is no doubt that members of the Government are active here, in a way, I fit into that group. But free speech lives on my friend and your opinion is just that. Your opinion...

Semper



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 11:10 AM
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depends if your husband worked on top secret stuff, if so they may be monitoring him anyway



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 02:24 PM
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lol, I openly admit I'm a wee bit embarrassed that I wrote this. Eh, what can I say? Better to ask to to merely question everything right? I suppose (neurotically enough) I just had to ask.


Thanks a lot.



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 02:26 PM
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lol, altho that would be interesting... hmmm... *goes off into deep though*

No, that's not the case. (That I know of:lol



...Just wanted to add:
Ironically enough it was something like that (Not that though) that made me wonder...

[edit on 1/20/2007 by Anesthesia]



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 02:51 PM
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This is not paranoia..this is intuition. You know deep down something is VERY wrong with whats going on in the world, and all over the world, people are clamouring for answers because the official version of events make absolutely no sense.

The fact of the matter is, this world is in danger. By a criminal Elite of our own who enjoy death and destruction, and think its a strength. They think we are weak because we have that instinct not to hurt each other. They are sick, evil psychopaths, who want to make their outside world match their inner world, and we have let them by letting them use our power against us.

People ask all the time "Why does Bush lie so much?" well he doesnt lie so much, he lies all the time, and theres a reason for that. It is because, they are lying because they are constantly giving cover stories to justify the introduction for their secret agenda, thats why theyre lying all the time.

What is their secret agenda? These people, yes they are all very close people, their plan is to create a fascist world government with a global military, global police, global banking system, micro-chipped population linked to a global computer. This whole War on Terrorism is the smoke screen they are using to con the people into going along with it.

One of the agendas of the New World Order, as its called, was to destroy the arab race. They actually intend to destroy 80% percent of the population, and they planned, in writing, to use "wars, famines, plagues" to "thin out the herd". They have started already in Africa with AIDS which was made by german scientists, and have systematically been destroying both the image and the lifes of the spiritual muslims ever since, why?

I dont know about you, but every fricken muslim Ive ever met, im serious, every single one of them have been devout followers of Islam. I have actually read the Koran, and no where at all does it say anything about any of the propoganda we hear on the tell-a-vision, brutality to woman, force their beliefs on others, and all this crap. IT IS ABSOLUTE LUNACY. If there are radical muslims out there, and there are, it is only because they are being stirred, armed, funded, and controlled by the same people who control the American governments, the international bankers operating out of London, and Paris, and New York, the House of Rothschild and Buckingham "bloody" palace.

These people have sworn alliances with shadowy figures behind the scenes, who manipulate the pawns in the public eye, to carry out certain agendas. This is why the governments does whatever it wants, despite what the hell the people in their countries are saying! This is why, no matter who gets in, the same things happen. Of course they do. Its the same people!

No better example then the 2004 election with Bush and Kerry, two cousins, two Yale members, two Skull and Bones members initiated the same year, both for the war, both for more centralization, and both are subserviant to higher powers above them. There is your freedom, America.

They want to create total enslavement of the world under an orwellian global police state, where everything will be digital, everything will be computers, and where everything will be completely controlled by the state. The main reason they want to put the micro chip in us is to control our emotional, physical, sexual, spiritual functions, individually or en masse, they have been working on this for thousands of years.

Too incredible? BELIEVE IT! Couldnt make the bloody thing up, truth IS stranger than fiction, it is also more exciting, more suspenseful, more important, and more powerful than any movie by some hollywood director!

Time to wake up. The reason they want this New World Order is because they know that the universal cyles are changing, and we are entering a cycle where we will wake up, and realize the true nature of who we are. This is happening right now, right as we speak, it has been happing for along time.

Im out for now. Peace.



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by Anesthesia
lol, I openly admit I'm a wee bit embarrassed that I wrote this. Eh, what can I say? Better to ask to to merely question everything right? I suppose (neurotically enough) I just had to ask.


Nope, no reason at all to be paranoid. Not even with a barrel full of government agents, police officers, military, and lord knows who else keeping a watchfull eye on the usernames of every statement in here. Just another day in the park. Welcome to Freedom of Speech, American style....or is that British style?

[edit on 20-1-2007 by TrueAmerican]



posted on Jan, 20 2007 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Welcome to Freedom of Speech, American style....or is that British style?

[edit on 20-1-2007 by TrueAmerican]


That would be ATS style.

You can post at your will here as long as it is inside the rules, Ie: The T&C.



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 12:07 AM
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Originally posted by Anesthesia
... am I being too overly cautious with refraining from commenting on certain posts? I openly admit I have heard my fair share of "horror stories" about military personel themselves writing things and getting into trouble for it.


These are dangerous times.

There is no real security, just insecurity.

Speak at your own peril.



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 01:02 AM
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Originally posted by Anesthesia
lol, I openly admit I'm a wee bit embarrassed that I wrote this. Eh, what can I say? Better to ask to to merely question everything right? I


You really shouldn't be and I for one am glad you did.
I am a new military wife and am still getting used to the lifestyle so anything related interests me, but what struck close to home was that I am experiencing the exact same feelings you are.
I don't even know if I should post what I am about to say anywhere but here goes because it's been driving me nuts.

I am still awaiting my command sponsorship approval... I've been in Japan for a year now, married since June '06 and we actually put forth all the paperwork to be approved last November and we're still waiting.
Now I have been known to be very opinionated on the issues such as those addressed here on ATS and PTS but I feel I should hold my tongue now (and I do, have hardly contributed to anything recently and I usually type out a response to something and then just hit the 'x' on it). I never have felt that way before but I have started thinking that a comment about the war here, a question about the President's policies there etc ... are harming me more than helping anyone.
I just deleted a heap of posts I had put up on a thread on Iraq I started in another community I am a member of, and have been a member of for years, because it was about the war and I felt maybe that's hekinda thing that's linked to why I've had to wait so long. We were told it was "lost". yeah right


I think I am just going nuts. Maybe I'm just growing up and starting to think differently ? More responsibly ?
I don't wanna be a pranoid grown up though
But hey they're listening to our phone calls, checking our mail, so why not the net too ?


In nothing we trust ... I could not agree more.


Originally posted by In nothing we trust

These are dangerous times.

There is no real security, just insecurity.

Speak at your own peril.


[edit on 21-1-2007 by ImJaded]



posted on Jan, 21 2007 @ 11:06 AM
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Many thanks to everyone.

ImJaded, that's it exactly- to the tee. SAME exact thing here.

Worker- Scary as hell time these are indeed.


I'd write more (and I will later...) unfortuntely I've gotta go fix my cousin's comp. Grr same problem everytime... His kids listen better...

*sigh*

-Ana



posted on Jan, 22 2007 @ 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by LightWorker13
This is not paranoia..this is intuition. You know deep down something is VERY wrong with whats going on in the world, and all over the world, people are clamouring for answers because the official version of events make absolutely no sense.

The fact of the matter is, this world is in danger. By a criminal Elite of our own who enjoy death and destruction, and think its a strength. They think we are weak because we have that instinct not to hurt each other. They are sick, evil psychopaths, who want to make their outside world match their inner world, and we have let them by letting them use our power against us.

[SNIP for Length]

Time to wake up. The reason they want this New World Order is because they know that the universal cyles are changing, and we are entering a cycle where we will wake up, and realize the true nature of who we are. This is happening right now, right as we speak, it has been happing for along time.

Im out for now. Peace.


This has to be one of the spot on descriptions of the world we now live in.

Yes people are walking around feeling like something is very wrong. They just don't seem to be able to vocalize exactly what.



posted on Jan, 22 2007 @ 10:41 AM
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There is no greater commentary on the state of affairs in this country, than when ordinary citizens fear the simple act of speech.

These are indeed disturbing times.



posted on Dec, 5 2007 @ 01:23 AM
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I think we should all 'fear' what we might 'say' before we say it. That act can stop us from making statements in haste as well. In my opinion, it is better to bite your tongue until you know what you are talking about, than to risk everything in the future for working out our anger or stress.

Truthfully, there is much to lose, and we should be leary of being 'too personal' with what we say here. But in all honestly, with the NSA warrantless wiretapping combined with the multitudes of tracking cookies and spyware watching dynamic ip addresses, anything you 'say' online is never really 'private' if it ever really was. The masks we wear here at ATS could be broken by anyone who would 'need' to, thats the reality of the situation. ATS itself might be safe, but the pipelines to and from often have many leaks.

Safe to say, unless you have groundbreaking information to make public that certain 'shadowy' individuals don't like, or use military 'bandwidth' to criticize the military, I think your complaints/thoughts can float here incognito among a sea of similar memes.

So in some ways, taking the precautions of someone who is 'overly paranoid' might actually draw the scrutiny of those whose job is to scrutinize...

I just wish that those in the 'know' tell others, that those in control support others, and that we can plant thoughts like seeds, and grow others.
DocMoreau

[edit on 5/12/2007 by DocMoreau]



posted on Dec, 5 2007 @ 02:02 AM
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I seriously had a problem getting on this site myself for the same reason. Truth is, every person on the member list might be "watched." Who knows what they are capable of?

What you need to do is live your life and ask important questions. Numbers and opinions are more important than any power that is or will be. We need to study for the good of humankind, and when we are able (if our conspiracies are even true), take action.

That is my purpose on this board, I tell everyone to take action if they find something truly undeniable. Problem is, there is no undeniable evidence anywhere here. You have nothing to be afraid of right now. We have the people, they have only a few.

We as Americans have the responsibility to take control of our country. Do not theorize, do not dream, just find and prove. And when and if you do prove, hide. Til then, you're as safe as any other person in our bipartisan nation.

Bless you and your man. You are supported 100% by all of us on ATS. Even if the reasons are not always clear, we know you fight the good fight. Thank you for your contributions far above and beyond what many of us have given.

EDIT: To add thanks.

[edit on 12/5/07 by SantaClaus]



posted on Dec, 14 2007 @ 12:01 AM
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Hopefully you are just being paranoid. You aren't alone though. These are strange times.



posted on Dec, 14 2007 @ 12:22 AM
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I am a military wife. My husband has a high security clearance and I live on base.

The only thing you should be concerned about is OPSEC, which as a military wife you have to follow. But as you know, you have to follow that no matter where you post (email, boards, etc) and no matter where you speak (phone, standing in line talking to someone, etc).

Other then that you are entitled to your opinions, regardless of what they are.

Grant it, some things wouldn't fly as far as stating you want to do this or that to whatever president is in office....and so on.

With that said. There are a number of members here who are active duty themselves. Admittedly, and some who have not said so.



[edit on 14-12-2007 by greeneyedleo]

[edit on 14-12-2007 by greeneyedleo]



posted on Dec, 14 2007 @ 06:21 AM
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No Such Thing As "Too Paranoid"


Originally posted by greeneyedleo
With that said. There are a number of members here who are active duty themselves. Admittedly, and some who have not said so.

And no one is required to.

One very nice thing about ATS is the fact that the only personal information required for membership is an email address -- and that can be a hotmail/gmail/other address that you use only for ATS and isn't otherwise traceable back to you. Even mods can't see what your email address is, only admins, and there aren't many of them.


The community standard in the forums is that every member must be treated with respect, regardless of who they might be or what their opinions on the topics are. No one needs to reveal who they are in "real life" to have standing to discuss any issue, and conversely, claiming to be a "big shot" doesn't buy credibility here either.

All that matters is a solid track record of sensible, credible posts.

How carefully you guard your identity is up to you, but as a fellow member who takes his own privacy very seriously, I recommend not volunteering any personal information you wouldn't want the whole world to know.

After all, you never know who might be reading what you post.



posted on Dec, 14 2007 @ 11:39 AM
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I'm totally paranoid, I think sites like this are monitored, I think there are 3 letter agents on this site that monitor the threads and posts, I think some conspiracy sites are government sponsored to keep track of and monitor malcontents and wingnuts like myself but I don't care.

Give me Liberty or give me Death.

words of a true American Patriot
Patric Henry.

loam, said it best....



"There is no greater commentary on the state of affairs in this country, than when ordinary citizens fear the simple act of speech.

These are indeed disturbing times.'



[edit on 14-12-2007 by whaaa]



posted on Dec, 14 2007 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by Anesthesia
lol, I openly admit I'm a wee bit embarrassed that I wrote this. Eh, what can I say? Better to ask to to merely question everything right? I suppose (neurotically enough) I just had to ask. Thanks a lot.


If its any help, the only 'stupid question' is the one that is never asked!




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