Superior California

Rural Eastern Shasta County is in Survival Friendly southern Cascades and it has obscure yet Enticing places like Oak Run, Shingletown,RoundMountain/Montgomery Creek, and Famouse Hat Creek! All of these places are in the 50 mile rule(50 miles per million inhabitants) from large nearby cities (Reno, Sacremento, Bay Area, Eugene/Portland,Boise... And Nearby Redding Ca. is still the Hub/Jewel of a California that exisists only in memory of Orange county residents from 30 years ago (No Gangs /Grafitti 89% white 72% Republican) If you think things are gonna come down soon ,Why not spend it in a California that others are oblivious of ! An Acre is as low as 3 grand (Depending on how many you buy)..

I would never live in or near a community that is 72% Republican. I wanna live free not have my rights stolen from me for the sake of profit. Besides land in Northern Michigan ware you nearest neighbor is about 40 miles away is going for less. Michigan is not up near the top of the nuclear target list like California. Winter really isnt that hard to survive when you know some basick rules.

I'd just as soon be back of beyond if/when the balloon goes up. As AA said, winter isn't that hard to survive with a little preparation. Though Northern Michigan is a little too winter for my admittedly coldblooded system. There's a reason I don't work in Alaska anymore .

My preference would be a bit more coastal, southern oregon coast, or the Alaska panhandle, with the influence of the Pacific currents winters are wet but not all that cold, and you'd have to go along way to find a more beautiful setting, IMHO. Any survival is hard work, but a little less so on the panhandle, the fishing and hunting; native plants. Everything you need, including isolation from any social upheaval. Western Montana, too, once you get out of the Hollywood and Mogul enclaves, a bit colder though, it is the Rockies after all.

California? Nope, you are welcome to it.

The furthest west part of the Texas Hill Country for me. The Comanches and other native tribes fought over it for centuries. Prime game country with enough water but not nearly as humid as the Coastal plains. It's got really great weather for about 8-9 months of the year with the occasional snow and frost in the winter. I don't care where you're at in Texas but it's hot from mid May-September. Not good for large farming due to the rocky soil but still arable land. Far away from most the well traveled touristy spots but still good access to major urban centers(2 hours drive) for the occasional weekend trip for entertainment. It's the kind of place that most folks just drive past on the way to El Paso or Austin/San Antonio.

I am originally from California (Burbank) but have lived in Alaska for the past 29 years. I love California, especially the area around San Louis Obispo and the entire central coast. My wife and I were thinking about moving back, but we have several reasons not to.

While you mentioned that your area is 72% Republican, the rest of the state, with some exceptions, has become overrun with liberats, turning California into something of a socialist state. Your taxes, necessary to pay for all the social programs for the (mostly) illegals that you all seem to embrace, are extremely high. Your gun laws suck big time. Several of my weapons would not be allowed, or would need modification to be legal in Calif. Don't you all have a 10 round mag capacity, necessitating modification to AR type weapons?

The Shasta area is nice, but a better location would be the Carson City/Reno area in Nevada - the state is still conservative, concealed weapons permits are available, land prices are nice, and they dont have people like "I got a gun, but you peasants can't have one" Boxer and "We need more Mexican Illegals" Pelosi as representatives.

Then again, maybe I will just stay in Alaska - Where the bears feast on at least one anti-gun liberal environmentalist yearly as they attempt to commune with nature

Another excellent place to relocate to would be where my grandparents have a home: on the Puget Sound (Olympia, Washington). I've thot about it a lot (a good place to be able to survive) and between the massive stores of dry and frozen goods that they have stocked up and what I could harvest from their gardens, trees and the water/beaches below, not to mention deer all over the place... I could definitely survive there.

I moved to South Carolina when I was 11 (but have always had family in Washington). I'd much rather "survive" down here. Or maybe Florida. At least in Florida you won't freeze outside.

The only problem with relocating anywhere in the Puget Sound Area is that its the home to the USN ballistic missile fleet. So in the context of a nuclear war it would be no better than any other major population center. Nice area though

Hmm... I never really considered that.

I'd probly retreat to the Appalachian mountains.

In the event of a full scale nuclear exchange, I doubt many places would be safe IMHO. In the terms of a biological attack or simple anarchy / government collapse, any out of the way rural area would fit the bill assuming you have the resources for survival at hand already.To that end certain places like Montana and Idaho are downright nasty in the winter so if you can hack it it would make an ideal place to hole up. I mean West Yellowstone, MT was -28 F yesterday so its unlikely that people would venture up into that country. On the flip side if you do encounter hostile in that environment it would be a good guess that they would be as prepared as you are if not better.

BTW, I love Olympia. We have family friends there. Is it try that the Brewery off of I-5 is gone?

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Before moving to Montana, take a look at the maps (and info) provided in this link: Nuclear Fallout Info and Map

There are other maps that I have seen, but can't find at the moment, that show potential targets in the US. Many of those targets are in Montana and Wymoning. The best place to live is in the West Coast - I just wish they would include AK in some of these maps.

Olympia Beer - "It's the Water!"



As far as I know its still there. But I can't be sure. YOu ever been there? I have, once. I have a Olympia beer can piggy bank I got and have always kept.

If I ever did relocate to the Puget Sound, I'd have to meet Skad_the_evil_elf - if she was back home from England.

Never got to the Olympia brewery, but did go to the Rainer Brewery. it was pretty cool but Im told its gone as well.

It really is a great area IMHO.

Want to buy land that will probably end up in the ocean. I could buy land there die in an earthquake, have my body sink into what well later named the Sea of California.

Why not try TEXAS (the only state that was once a Country)

We are so big we've got everything. You like it cold we've got west and North Texas. You hate the cold. Weve got South Padre, and Mustang Island. You want to live in a small community we have hundreds of thousands. You want to live in a big city. We got three of the largest in the US. You like High crime we've got Dallas, and Houston. You like small crime weve got San Antonio. North East Texas is all big trees like Oregon. South East Texas in swamps and buyo's(can't spell). If you don't like the weather wait a minute it will change. Its got something for everyone.

Hmmm, if you look at the geography of the region, The area he mentioned is as likely to fall into the ocean as say Galveston is. Now if Mount Shasta becomes active again, thats a whole nother story.

I currently live in Los Angeles and hate it taxes are disgusting, food is horrible you get nickle and dimed everywhere you go, the air quality is unbearable the people all think they are the next big thing.

But I love the pacific coast am thinking of moving to santa cruz or monterey bay or santa barbara dont need to worry about sinking bc living where there are lots of boats only thing need to worry about is a massive tidal wave, not sure how terorists feel about attacking those cities but I know its lower on the list than LA is.

Still think maybe Lake Tahoe might be great place huge freshwater lake mountains to protect and well engineered infrastructure.

Or possibly western Texas might be good anyone know if there are military bases around those places bc if there are then not such good areas.

I think that ultimately the victory gained from moving is a pyrrhic one; one is understandably running from something, but eventually that something just catches up and again, important choices have to be made. At each juncture those choices become fewer and fewer.

I'd love to live in a place like this but I've come to the conclusion that no matter how idyllic the setting, it's horizons aren't infinite due to both external and internal factors. Sooner rather than later, the world and it's problems would come knocking on my door.

If nothing is done on a national level then it will be too late for Americans to act and I don't think one can buy their way out of this dilema..not on an indefinite basis.

LA was itself once an oasis separated from other conurbation's. It's problems and adopted solutions are perhaps a reminder of things to come, only on a much bigger scale.

I've stayed in 'gated' communities as a guest and on the whole they appear to offer nothing more than a false economy - a parallel society struggling to coexist within an increasingly crowded and hostile environment. I ask myself, if this is really the kind of society I want to be proud of..one that applies a plaster over what are potentially cancerous wounds instead of working together towards a preventative measure. No, I don't want to be part of a society that places an absurd price on 'normality'.

The Southwest United States is growing at quite a rate due to economic and political influences. Immigration has seen large population rises, so naturally resources are being consumed accordingly. If big business - as in NAFTA - wanted to build a road through your town irrespective of whether you wanted it there, what then..would you move even further inland until you inevitably reach the Atlantic?

I can't see a workable solution here unless we have a clear, effective policy on sustainable growth. Unless we have a government that truly represents our interests instead of eroding our civil liberty whilst at the same time, allowing private global interests to reside over morality.

So I don't blame you for wanting to move out, it sounds a nice. However ultimately I don't think this is a national solution to what is fast becoming a national problem. It's going to be an even greater problem taking into account future population growth and the NAFTA plan, so you can see that there are formidable obstacles to overcome as regards sustainable resolution. A lot of power, money and influence at stake and as a result some people who are in a position of authority are either in it for themselves or fearful of the consequences should they act within the interests of others.

Not the kind of America I want to be proud of.

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i live in the bay area and let me say, i HATE it here. I hate going to a drive thru and speaking to a person that speaks very little English and gets my order wrong. I hate being turned down for jobs because I don't speak Spanish. I hate the pollution. I hate the weather. I hate the gas prices. Need i go on? I don't hate all of California though. I would love to live in the Santa Cruz area. I think the preferable place to live for me would be Alaska, or maybe Pennsylvania. and don't start talking about Mt. Shasta becoming active again! I used to have nightmares about that when i learned about volcanos in elementary school. Which is the reason i will probably never move to Alaska..or Seattle. eek! Edit: I just remembered there is one thing I like about Santa Clara County, the teachers get paid wayyy more than the teachers in Santa Cruz County. Which is a good thing for me since thats what i'm studying to become.

edit:: I can't spell tonight.

[edit on 21-1-2007 by lizziex3]

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Just report those employers to the INS as possible employers of illegal immigrants, tell all your friends to tell all their friends to boycott those busineses too.

California gets alot of disrespect due to its persona as the most liberal state in the union, and because many left wing individuals have called it their home. If we use this logic, individuals can rightfully feel disdain for Texas for being right wing.

The weapons laws here in Los Angeles are inconvenient, they're mostly invalid theories on how to lower violent crime.

The pollution isn't really so bad, it makes you tough. It also allows for some very spectacular sunsets.

There are great restaurants everywhere and every type of entertainment you can imagine.

The illegal immigration issue does cause some problems, but for the most part if you treat Hispanics like equal human beings they tend to be nice and courteous people. Of course a contingent are involved in criminal activity but it is not fair to blame a race of people for a problem, social circumstances that lead to hopelessness are at fault.

The weather is great. You can snowboard in the winter, surf in the summer. Geologically, California is the most diverse in the nation.

California offers a culturally diverse population and wide variety of communities. You can find a place to live with like minded people here whatever color, religion, creed, or class you are. People are very tolerant here.

There are egomaniacs here, but they conglomerate in the Hollywood area. Most of them aren't even California natives.

I've been all over this state and have seen much of this country. I've seen the good and the bad here, and upon reflection I feel I could live the rest of my life here.

...It's also a great place to be to escape fallout.

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